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Reply #900 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:27pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Ukraine's Strategic Waste: A Western Military Analyst's View of the Strategic Situation That Formed During the War

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Understanding the lofty extent of Ukraine’s framework for victory, we can articulate several different “theories of victory” that Ukraine has pursued.
I am labelling them as follows:

The Short War Theory
The Crimean Isolation Plan
The Attritional Theory
The Counter-Pressure Theory

The Attritional Theory:

Presupposed that Ukraine’s defensive posture in the Donbas could impose disproportionate and catastrophic casualties on the Russian Army and utterly degrade Russia’s combat capability, while Ukraine’s own combat power was regenerated through western arms deliveries and training assistance.

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #901 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:54pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Ukraine's Strategic Waste: A Western Military Analyst's View of the Strategic Situation That Formed During the War

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Understanding the lofty extent of Ukraine’s framework for victory, we can articulate several different “theories of victory” that Ukraine has pursued.
I am labelling them as follows:

The Short War Theory
The Crimean Isolation Plan
The Attritional Theory
The Counter-Pressure Theory

The problem for Ukraine is that, thus far at least, all of their overarching strategic visions have failed - not only in their own particular terms on the ground, but also in their connection to “victory” as such. A concrete example might be useful. Ukraine’s offensive in the Kursk region has failed on the ground (more details on this later) with the advance jammed up by Russian defenses early and now steadily rolled back with heavy losses. But the offensive also fails conceptually: attacking and holding Russian territory in Kursk has made Moscow more intransigent and unwilling to negotiate, and it has failed to meaningfully move the needle on NATO backing for Ukraine.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #902 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #903 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

Putin is everywhere Shocked

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11686 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #904 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm It needs desperate reasoning to give Russia any basis for invasion of an inactive country. Hitler did it, saying Poland was to blame for being aggressive. Now tallowood says US is to blame for Putin making nuclear threats, when Japan had attacked US but US has not attacked Russia. Russians don't do logic.
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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #905 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

Putin is everywhere Shocked

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/284x207q70/922/KSQjD5.png

You can't get out of it with a meme.

Putin has killed over 500,000 Russians and the same number of Ukrainians -
he has also destroyed all the areas he's invaded -
they will still be fixing the damage 100 years from now.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #906 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

Putin is everywhere Shocked

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/284x207q70/922/KSQjD5.png

You can't get out of it with a meme.

Putin has killed over 500,000 Russians and the same number of Ukrainians -
he has also destroyed all the areas he's invaded -
they will still be fixing the damage 100 years from now.

Bobby hide quickly, Putin already damaged your brain and now he is going to finish you off with all those thousands of nukes Roll Eyes

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #907 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:19pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:54pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Ukraine's Strategic Waste: A Western Military Analyst's View of the Strategic Situation That Formed During the War

Quote:

Understanding the lofty extent of Ukraine’s framework for victory, we can articulate several different “theories of victory” that Ukraine has pursued.
I am labelling them as follows:

The Short War Theory
The Crimean Isolation Plan
The Attritional Theory
The Counter-Pressure Theory

The problem for Ukraine is that, thus far at least, all of their overarching strategic visions have failed - not only in their own particular terms on the ground, but also in their connection to “victory” as such. A concrete example might be useful. Ukraine’s offensive in the Kursk region has failed on the ground (more details on this later) with the advance jammed up by Russian defenses early and now steadily rolled back with heavy losses. But the offensive also fails conceptually: attacking and holding Russian territory in Kursk has made Moscow more intransigent and unwilling to negotiate, and it has failed to meaningfully move the needle on NATO backing for Ukraine.

And this is Ukraine’s problem. It seeks the return of all its 1991 territories, including those that Russia now controls and administers, many of which are far beyond Ukraine’s realistic military reach. It is utterly inconceivable, for example, to contemplate Ukraine recapturing Donetsk with a ground operation. Donetsk is a vast industrial city of nearly a million residents, ensconced far behind Russian frontlines and fully integrated into Russia’s logistical chains. Yet the recapture of Donetsk is an explicit Ukrainian war aim.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #908 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:23pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

Putin is everywhere Shocked

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/284x207q70/922/KSQjD5.png

You can't get out of it with a meme.

Putin has killed over 500,000 Russians and the same number of Ukrainians -
he has also destroyed all the areas he's invaded -
they will still be fixing the damage 100 years from now.

Bobby hide quickly, Putin already damaged your brain and now he is going to finish you off with all those thousands of nukes Roll Eyes

Mariupol looks like Hiroshima in 1945.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-...

All the farmland in the invaded areas is now full of mines and unexploded shells -
they are still clearing that stuff in the Somme after more than 100 years.

The whole place is ruined.
Ukraine might as well give it to the Russians - it's so badly damaged and
will bankrupt Russia trying to fix it.

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Re: Ukraine war update
Reply #909 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:23pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

Dear Tallow,
do you think Putin is greedy to cause so much trouble and so many deaths
over some land equivalent to only 0.64% of the size of Russia?

The biggest worry is Americans using nukes during American Civil War 2.

The question was about Putin - try again.

Putin is everywhere Shocked

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/284x207q70/922/KSQjD5.png

You can't get out of it with a meme.

Putin has killed over 500,000 Russians and the same number of Ukrainians -
he has also destroyed all the areas he's invaded -
they will still be fixing the damage 100 years from now.

Bobby hide quickly, Putin already damaged your brain and now he is going to finish you off with all those thousands of nukes Roll Eyes

Mariupol looks like Hiroshima in 1945.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-...

All the farmland in the invaded areas is now full of mines and unexploded shells -
they are still clearing that stuff in the Somme after more than 100 years.

The whole place is ruined.
Ukraine might as well give it to the Russians - it's so badly damaged and
will bankrupt Russia trying to fix it.

Bobby, since liberation by Russians Mariupol looks better then the sh-hole you living in, you are just envious.

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Reply #910 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:39pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 1:54pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

Ukraine's Strategic Waste: A Western Military Analyst's View of the Strategic Situation That Formed During the War

Quote:

Understanding the lofty extent of Ukraine’s framework for victory, we can articulate several different “theories of victory” that Ukraine has pursued.
I am labelling them as follows:

The Short War Theory
The Crimean Isolation Plan
The Attritional Theory
The Counter-Pressure Theory

The problem for Ukraine is that, thus far at least, all of their overarching strategic visions have failed - not only in their own particular terms on the ground, but also in their connection to “victory” as such. A concrete example might be useful. Ukraine’s offensive in the Kursk region has failed on the ground (more details on this later) with the advance jammed up by Russian defenses early and now steadily rolled back with heavy losses. But the offensive also fails conceptually: attacking and holding Russian territory in Kursk has made Moscow more intransigent and unwilling to negotiate, and it has failed to meaningfully move the needle on NATO backing for Ukraine.

And this is Ukraine’s problem. It seeks the return of all its 1991 territories, including those that Russia now controls and administers, many of which are far beyond Ukraine’s realistic military reach. It is utterly inconceivable, for example, to contemplate Ukraine recapturing Donetsk with a ground operation. Donetsk is a vast industrial city of nearly a million residents, ensconced far behind Russian frontlines and fully integrated into Russia’s logistical chains. Yet the recapture of Donetsk is an explicit Ukrainian war aim.

Ukraine’s ongoing refusal to “negotiate” the surrender of any territory within the 1991 borders brings Kiev to a strategic impasse. It is one thing to say that Ukraine will not give up territories that it currently possesses, but Kiev has extended its war aims to be inclusive of lands that are firmly in Russian control, far beyond Ukraine’s military reach. This leaves Ukraine with no possibility of ending the war without losing on its own terms, because their own war aims fundamentally require the total collapse of Russia’s ability to fight.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105684 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #911 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:40pm Tallow - have a good look - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-... 100s of square miles of mass destruction.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11686 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine war update Reply #912 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:47pm tallowood wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:39pm: Kiev has extended its war aims to be inclusive of lands that are firmly in Russian control, far beyond Ukraine’s military reach. This is Adolf Hitler's mind in action, 2024.
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Reply #913 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

Tallow - have a good look -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/mariupol-before-and-after-updated-...
100s of square miles of mass destruction.

Mariupol was bad under banderites occupation because US and her vassals would give them money only for self destruction. Russia rebuild it and now you are envious Wink

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Reply #914 - Nov 4^th, 2024 at 2:49pm

its a well known fact that american generals leave the military and take up a job working for military companies

general dynamic
lockhead martin
raytheon
'halliburton
blackrock

so lets see who the ex generals in such "compromised ' situations are backing for the election

most revealing is stan mccrystal who i thought might be a republican president one day

but , no, he is making too much cash working for the militasry industrial complex and HE is backing HARRIS, as is every other retired general working in the swamp

this tells us that HARRIS is going to up the war and send more weapons to the ukraine and bill the taxpayer whilst fighting to the last ukranian for what ?

for what exactly?

and when did the democrats become such warmongers?

they hate young white men who were the only people joining up

they are seriously messed up morally Cry

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