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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #30 - May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

FD answered that - in the form of a question - earlier in the thread:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #31 - May 21^st, 2024 at 12:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Because they push their own ideology-based concept of education, not an education for the collective, eg based on universal morality, justice and fairness.

Now.... why should private schools get government funding?

So you oppose private schools because they teach a different concept of morality and fairness from public schools?

How does it differ?

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #32 - May 21^st, 2024 at 3:12pm

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Because they push their own ideology-based concept of education, not an education for the collective, eg based on universal morality, justice and fairness.

Now.... why should private schools get government funding?

Because the parents pay tax at the same rate as anyone else. So they are entitled to similar education funding for their children. That they choose to pay extra on top of the government funding is their decision. You don't have to, you can send your kiddies to the state school.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: Private School Funding Reply #33 - May 21^st, 2024 at 3:16pm There are all sorts of good reasons to fund them. But no-one has presented a good reason not to. Just an idiotic mantra.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135733 Gender:	Re: Private School Funding Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question: "What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"
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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #35 - May 21^st, 2024 at 5:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm:

For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

A lot of future leaners in Australia would lose their opportunity to network and develop connections ... some of them might even be introduced to the real world.....

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #36 - May 21^st, 2024 at 5:40pm

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 3:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Because they push their own ideology-based concept of education, not an education for the collective, eg based on universal morality, justice and fairness.

Now.... why should private schools get government funding?

Because the parents pay tax at the same rate as anyone else. So they are entitled to similar education funding for their children. That they choose to pay extra on top of the government funding is their decision. You don't have to, you can send your kiddies to the state school.

Government has an obligation to provide equal education - not equal funding.

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #37 - May 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 5:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm:

For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

A lot of future leaners in Australia would lose their opportunity to network and develop connections ... some of them might even be introduced to the real world.....

You went to a public school, didn't you Grapps?

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #38 - May 21^st, 2024 at 5:53pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 5:40pm:

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 3:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Because they push their own ideology-based concept of education, not an education for the collective, eg based on universal morality, justice and fairness.

Now.... why should private schools get government funding?

Because the parents pay tax at the same rate as anyone else. So they are entitled to similar education funding for their children. That they choose to pay extra on top of the government funding is their decision. You don't have to, you can send your kiddies to the state school.

Government has an obligation to provide equal education - not equal funding.

Not at all.

Education started out as a it private matter, governments came later.

Compulsory education is funded by government and where necessary, government sets up it's own schools. But it does not take over existing schools from privates or prevents others from setting up schools. It doesn't even prevent home schooling.

So government's self-appointed obligation is to facilitate education, regulate it, police it - but not to deliver it always and everywhere as a government monopoly.

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #39 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:56am

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Here we go again Roll Eyes

... you answer my question first.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29104 Gender:	Re: Private School Funding Reply #40 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:58am freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 3:16pm: There are all sorts of good reasons to fund them. But no-one has presented a good reason not to. Just an idiotic mantra. No more idiotic than your own.
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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #41 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm:

For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

Stiff shyte .. that's what happens in the private sector ......no?

And the govt funding that was given to those private schools could then be diverted to the public schools to cope with the extra students from the private ones that closed.

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #42 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:08pm

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 11:58am:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 3:16pm:

There are all sorts of good reasons to fund them. But no-one has presented a good reason not to. Just an idiotic mantra.

No more idiotic than your own.

What are my arguments?

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm:

For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

Stiff shyte .. that's what happens in the private sector ......no?

And the govt funding that was given to those private schools could then be diverted to the public schools to cope with the extra students from the private ones that closed.

Would it be enough to cope with them?

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #43 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:22pm

Gnads wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 12:01pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 4:59pm:

For those who oppose private school funding, think (hard) about FD's question:

"What do you think would happen if the government cut funding to private schools, and a bunch of students went to public schools instead, and some of the private schools had to close?"

Stiff shyte .. that's what happens in the private sector ......no?

And the govt funding that was given to those private schools could then be diverted to the public schools to cope with the extra students from the private ones that closed.

They'll just build new classrooms and toilet blocks overnight?

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Re: Private School Funding
Reply #44 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:04pm

Frank wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 3:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 12:27pm:

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:34am:

Gnads wrote on May 21^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gordon wrote on May 20^th, 2024 at 5:56pm:

The per student cost to the Govt for a child in a private school is about 25% lower than a Govt school.

Private schools save us all money.
The 2 Steinway D-274s my daughter gets to play on aren't paid for by the taxpayer.

My point was: why should private schools get any Govt funding???

Why shouldn't they?

Because they push their own ideology-based concept of education, not an education for the collective, eg based on universal morality, justice and fairness.

Now.... why should private schools get government funding?

Because the parents pay tax at the same rate as anyone else. So they are entitled to similar education funding for their children. That they choose to pay extra on top of the government funding is their decision. You don't have to, you can send your kiddies to the state school.

What a ridiculous argument ... my taxes go towards airports and ports I don't use, ports. Why don't they build me a port near my place so I can use it? Afterall, i pay the same taxes as those who use a port in their city

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