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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #15 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:10pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm:

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

maybe -
Bibi is claiming that Hamas won't allow women and children to leave areas
that are being bombed and attacked by Israel.
He even claims that Hamas has shot people trying to seek shelter elsewhere.
Is that true or is it Israeli propaganda to cover up war crimes?

It is probably true. But then again, Muslim men there might shoot their wife for trying to leave them. I doubt it would make Hamas any less popular.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:20pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm:

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

maybe -
Bibi is claiming that Hamas won't allow women and children to leave areas
that are being bombed and attacked by Israel.
He even claims that Hamas has shot people trying to seek shelter elsewhere.
Is that true or is it Israeli propaganda to cover up war crimes?

It is probably true. But then again, Muslim men there might shoot their wife for trying to leave them.
I doubt it would make Hamas any less popular.

So are you saying that my Captain Obvious - "Bobby's Tent Solution" -
was not even worth trying?

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm:

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

maybe -
Bibi is claiming that Hamas won't allow women and children to leave areas
that are being bombed and attacked by Israel.
He even claims that Hamas has shot people trying to seek shelter elsewhere.
Is that true or is it Israeli propaganda to cover up war crimes?

It is probably true. But then again, Muslim men there might shoot their wife for trying to leave them.
I doubt it would make Hamas any less popular.

So are you saying that my Captain Obvious - "Bobby's Tent Solution" -
was not even worth trying?

My position hasn't changed since last time you posted it.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:26pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:20pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:03pm:

If that were true, Hamas would not still be so popular in Gaza.

I think you are being a bit naïve here Bobby. Just like last time you made the same suggestion.

maybe -
Bibi is claiming that Hamas won't allow women and children to leave areas
that are being bombed and attacked by Israel.
He even claims that Hamas has shot people trying to seek shelter elsewhere.
Is that true or is it Israeli propaganda to cover up war crimes?

It is probably true. But then again, Muslim men there might shoot their wife for trying to leave them.
I doubt it would make Hamas any less popular.

So are you saying that my Captain Obvious - "Bobby's Tent Solution" -
was not even worth trying?

My position hasn't changed since last time you posted it.

But you ignored my point again -

Israel had a chance to say -

we're better than Hamas -
we're better than terrorists -
we don't kill women and children.
We fight fairly.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #20 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:29pm:

Yeah, I ignored it. That is not what it would say. It would say that they are hopelessly naïve. It would probably offend the Muslims so much that they would use it as the excuse for their next attack.

Let's be serious.
Do you remember the 2006 war with Lebanon - and Israel bombed
suburbs in Beirut because they said Hezbollah terrorists were living there?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2006-07-23/israel-strikes-beirut-suburbs/1808760

Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby
they deal out collective punishment to everyone -
even if they had nothing to do with the actions of terrorists.
That's their modus operandi - but it it left a failed state on their border - Lebanon -
and didn't get rid of Hezbollah.
Israel's iron fist policy doesn't work -
they keep repeating their failed history.

It won't work with Hezbollah either -
one day they will rise again and be worse than before.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #21 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm

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Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby they deal out collective punishment to everyone

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. Every "rule of war" we have is built on the assumption that your enemy is not going to be stupid enough to deliberately bring the war to their own innocent citizenry. You are projecting a western notion of gallantry onto Muslims. Israel on the other hand is forced to confront the reality.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74217 Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #22 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:01pm freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm: It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. says the cretin cheering for the side that does all their fighting from behind computer screens.
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #23 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:06pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

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Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby they deal out collective punishment to everyone

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. Every "rule of war" we have is built on the assumption that your enemy is not going to be stupid enough to deliberately bring the war to their own innocent citizenry. You are projecting a western notion of gallantry onto Muslims. Israel on the other hand is forced to confront the reality.

If they put those mothers in tents outside Gaza -
then Hamas couldn't hide behind their skirts.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:15pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts

in the hospitals? within the food convoys? behind the aid workers? behind the journalists?

Your crap excuse doesn't wash. Israel is killing innocents because they are just like their brothers in hamas, terrorists at heart

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #25 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:33pm

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in the hospitals? within the food convoys? behind the aid workers? behind the journalists?

Yes John. Hamas is deliberately bringing the war into Gazan cities. There is no low they will not stoop to. It is actually difficult to stop food and aid funding being diverted to supporting Hamas' terrorist activities.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #26 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:37pm

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:59pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:55pm:

And why have you not come up with a rational explanation for why Israel is obliged to not shoot back at Muslims if they use their own mother as a human shield?

You need it explained to you? Shocked

What's not 'rational' is shooting women and children. Not shooting innocent bystanders doesn't need an explanation. Not unless you are a terrorist.

It is perfectly rational to shoot back John. The Israeli army has an obligation to shoot back, in order to defend its citizens.

When Hamas stoops this low, there is no option in which civilians do not die. That is Hamas's choice, not Israel's. If Israel refrained from shooting back, that would actually encourage Hamas fighters to use human shields. Do you honestly not realise how stupid your position is? And can you find anyone else who agrees with you?

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #27 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:42pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:33pm:

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in the hospitals? within the food convoys? behind the aid workers? behind the journalists?

Yes John. Hamas is deliberately bringing the war into Gazan cities.
There is no low they will not stoop to.
It is actually difficult to stop food and aid funding being diverted to supporting Hamas' terrorist activities.

It's impossible to stop some of the food aid ending up in terrorist tummies.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #28 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:38pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:33pm:

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in the hospitals? within the food convoys? behind the aid workers? behind the journalists?

Yes John. Hamas is deliberately bringing the war into Gazan cities. There is no low they will not stoop to. It is actually difficult to stop food and aid funding being diverted to supporting Hamas' terrorist activities.

No fd,. The cowards are Israel. Dropping bombs on cities while hiding behind their computer screens. The ultimate keyboard warriors.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48833 At my desk.	Re: using human shields in war Reply #29 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John? Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?
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