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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #30 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:22pm

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John?

Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?

I don't want any civilians slaughtered by terrorists. But unlike you, I apply that rule equally to Muslims and Jews. You on the other hand only cry when it's Jewish civilians. When it's Muslim civilians you cheer and find excuses for the terrorism

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #31 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:35pm

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John?

Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?

I don't want any civilians slaughtered by terrorists. But unlike you, I apply that rule equally to Muslims and Jews. You on the other hand only cry when it's Jewish civilians. When it's Muslim civilians you cheer and find excuses for the terrorism

I have never once seen you apply it to Muslims. You constantly apply it, wrongly, to the IDF.

Your idea of " equally" is as stupid, spineless and fraudulent as most of your other utterances.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #32 - May 22^nd, 2024 at 10:37pm

Frank wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:35pm:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John?

Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?

I don't want any civilians slaughtered by terrorists. But unlike you, I apply that rule equally to Muslims and Jews. You on the other hand only cry when it's Jewish civilians. When it's Muslim civilians you cheer and find excuses for the terrorism

I have never once seen you apply it to Muslims. You constantly apply it, wrongly, to the IDF.

Your idea of " equally" is as stupid, spineless and fraudulent as most of your other utterances.

I've said from the very beginning that all the Hamas terrorists that were involved in Oct 7 should be shot. You were probably to busy defending the terrorists in the idf to notice.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #33 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:39am

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John?

Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?

I don't want any civilians slaughtered by terrorists. But unlike you, I apply that rule equally to Muslims and Jews. You on the other hand only cry when it's Jewish civilians. When it's Muslim civilians you cheer and find excuses for the terrorism

You are confused John. There is no choice in which no civilians die. Hamas has taken that choice away. You cannot stop a war, or win a war, by pouting, not matter how much effort you put into it. The question is, whether to shoot back if they use human shields.

Do you understand that if Israel was stupid enough to follow your advice and not shoot back, it would encourage Hamas to use human shields?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102873 Melbourne Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #34 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:42am Dirty Harry deals with human shield:
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #35 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:27pm

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:06pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

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Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby they deal out collective punishment to everyone

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. Every "rule of war" we have is built on the assumption that your enemy is not going to be stupid enough to deliberately bring the war to their own innocent citizenry. You are projecting a western notion of gallantry onto Muslims. Israel on the other hand is forced to confront the reality.

If they put those mothers in tents outside Gaza -
then Hamas couldn't hide behind their skirts.

Bump for FD ?

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #36 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:36pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:06pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

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Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby they deal out collective punishment to everyone

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. Every "rule of war" we have is built on the assumption that your enemy is not going to be stupid enough to deliberately bring the war to their own innocent citizenry. You are projecting a western notion of gallantry onto Muslims. Israel on the other hand is forced to confront the reality.

If they put those mothers in tents outside Gaza -
then Hamas couldn't hide behind their skirts.

Bump for FD ?

OK Bobby, you go round up all the Gazan women. See how that works out for you.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #37 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:41pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:36pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:27pm:

Bobby. wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 6:06pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 5:51pm:

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Israel seems to have an iron fist policy whereby they deal out collective punishment to everyone

It seems that way, because they are fighting a war against an enemy that it hiding behind their mothers skirts. Every "rule of war" we have is built on the assumption that your enemy is not going to be stupid enough to deliberately bring the war to their own innocent citizenry. You are projecting a western notion of gallantry onto Muslims. Israel on the other hand is forced to confront the reality.

If they put those mothers in tents outside Gaza -
then Hamas couldn't hide behind their skirts.

Bump for FD ?

OK Bobby, you go round up all the Gazan women. See how that works out for you.

Dear FD,
I'm making a political point not a practical solution.
If the women and children were offered a safe place in tents outside of Gaza and
Hamas prevented them from leaving then Israel could blame Hamas for their deaths.

Instead - women and children were locked in -
Israel locked the gates and then dropped bombs on them -
like shooting fish in a barrel.
Is that fair?

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #38 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:54pm

Ah, so it's not about actually fixing the problem, just having someone to blame.

We can already blame Hamas for this Bobby. Those who do not are just looking for a reason to blame the Jews for everything, and would not change their mind because of your little trick. And TGD, who supports the terrorists because he thinks it would be to the CCP's advantage.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #39 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:59pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:54pm:

Ah, so it's not about actually fixing the problem, just having someone to blame.

We can already blame Hamas for this Bobby. Those who do not are just looking for a reason to blame the Jews for everything, and would not change their mind because of your little trick. And TGD, who supports the terrorists because he thinks it would be to the CCP's advantage.

But did you notice how Dirty Harry shot the bad guy but saved the kid?

Israel would have shot both of them.

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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #40 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:11pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 4:41pm:

Dear FD,
I'm making a political point not a practical solution.

If the women and children were offered a safe place in tents outside of Gaza and
Hamas prevented them from leaving then Israel could blame Hamas for their deaths.

Instead .....
Israel locked the gates and then dropped bombs on them -
like shooting fish in a barrel.

Is that fair?

No bobby !!!

That is just not fair bobby !

Hmmmmmm !!

If only the nations of the whole of the world,
could just find some way to protect the women and children of Gaza,
from all of those terrible, terrible Israelis,
who are choosing.....to kill all of those women and children of Gaza !

/sarc off

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621945743/7#7

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1716330435/9#9

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102873 Melbourne Gender:	Re: using human shields in war Reply #41 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:19pm Dear Yadda, are kids responsible for being brainwashed by adults?
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #42 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:31pm

Bobby. wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:19pm:

Dear Yadda,
are kids responsible for being brainwashed by adults?

Dear bobby,

Are adults responsible for brainwashing kids in Gaza
and in Judea, and in Samaria ?

Well, are they ???

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1621945743/7#7

Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1716330435/9#9

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21583 A cat with a view	Re: using human shields in war Reply #43 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 5:49pm Are adults responsible for brainwashing kids in Gaza and in Judea, and in Samaria ? . "Peace will come to the Middle East when the Arabs love their children more than they hate us." - Golda Meir
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Re: using human shields in war
Reply #44 - May 23^rd, 2024 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on May 23^rd, 2024 at 6:39am:

John Smith wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 9:22pm:

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Why do you want Israeli citizens to be slaughtered by terrorists using human shields John?

Would you change your mind if they were not Jewish?

I don't want any civilians slaughtered by terrorists. But unlike you, I apply that rule equally to Muslims and Jews. You on the other hand only cry when it's Jewish civilians. When it's Muslim civilians you cheer and find excuses for the terrorism

You are confused John. There is no choice in which no civilians die. Hamas has taken that choice away. You cannot stop a war, or win a war, by pouting, not matter how much effort you put into it. The question is, whether to shoot back if they use human shields.

Do you understand that if Israel was stupid enough to follow your advice and not shoot back, it would encourage Hamas to use human shields?

There us a difference between 'no civilians die', and deliberately targeting civilians fd.
Why do you excuse terrorism?

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