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Reply #45 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

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Reply #46 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:10pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

Would you prefer that I borrow from your ilk's playbook and infer that Boris supports the rape and murder of women and babies when it's not perpetrated by Indigenous attackers?

I agree that's not the topic of the thread. In fact these stats don't prove his claim that all Indigenous Australians rape and murder babies, but since he just keeps regurgitating the same stats regardless, let's focus on those.

What should we do about it?

He clearly cares about the indigenous women and babies in those communities, so what's next?

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Reply #47 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:14pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

Would you prefer that I borrow from your ilk's playbook and infer that Boris supports the rape and murder of women and babies when it's not perpetrated by Indigenous attackers?

I agree that's not the topic of the thread. In fact these stats don't prove his claim that all Indigenous Australians rape and murder babies, but since he just keeps regurgitating the same stats regardless, let's focus on those.

What should we do about it?

He clearly cares about the indigenous women and babies in those communities, so what's next?

I'm not sure I want to hear his solution.

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Re: They rape and murder babies
Reply #48 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:33pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Would you prefer that I borrow from your ilk's playbook and infer that Boris supports the rape and murder of women and babies when it's not perpetrated by Indigenous attackers?

I agree that's not the topic of the thread. In fact these stats don't prove his claim that all Indigenous Australians rape and murder babies, but since he just keeps regurgitating the same stats regardless, let's focus on those.

What should we do about it?

He clearly cares about the indigenous women and babies in those communities, so what's next?

I get the feeling that Boris would not mind it if the remote communities of indigenous people were abducted by aliens and forced to live light years from Earth -- as a way to resolve Boris' PTSD experience from years ago of having to work around aborigines.

I don't have any considerable opinion on whether remote communities of indigenous people rape and murder their babies. I have only personally known of ONE example of indigenous people assaulting an indigenous toddler to the point that he nearly died. Research on the topic of baby rape and murder of indigenous children (and adults) are not a priority for now. I am too busy learning how to make hospital beds, and first aid training to be considering that for now.

I swear I recall that Boris did not imply that ALL indigenous people rape and murder babies. It is inferred that Boris claims that indigenous people have a considerably higher rate of committing rape and murder of babies.

Perhaps you have not been a victim of crime in your life, SK.

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Reply #49 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

No ...that's 1 million who identify as Indigenous/Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.

That doesn't mean there is actually 1 million Aboriginals in Australia.

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Reply #50 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:54pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

Would you prefer that I borrow from your ilk's playbook and infer that Boris supports the rape and murder of women and babies when it's not perpetrated by Indigenous attackers?

I agree that's not the topic of the thread. In fact these stats don't prove his claim that all Indigenous Australians rape and murder babies, but since he just keeps regurgitating the same stats regardless, let's focus on those.

What should we do about it?

He clearly cares about the indigenous women and babies in those communities, so what's next?

What a stupid statement/correlation.

re: the 2nd highlight I don't think he's ever said "all Indigenous Australians" ...

is that typical lefty lying/twisting the narrative to suit your progressive left wank ideology/opinion?

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Reply #51 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:05pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:33pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:10pm:

Would you prefer that I borrow from your ilk's playbook and infer that Boris supports the rape and murder of women and babies when it's not perpetrated by Indigenous attackers?

I agree that's not the topic of the thread. In fact these stats don't prove his claim that all Indigenous Australians rape and murder babies, but since he just keeps regurgitating the same stats regardless, let's focus on those.

What should we do about it?

He clearly cares about the indigenous women and babies in those communities, so what's next?

I get the feeling that Boris would not mind it if the remote communities of indigenous people were abducted by aliens and forced to live light years from Earth -- as a way to resolve Boris' PTSD experience from years ago of having to work around aborigines.

I don't have any considerable opinion on whether remote communities of indigenous people rape and murder their babies. I have only personally known of ONE example of indigenous people assaulting an indigenous toddler to the point that he nearly died. Research on the topic of baby rape and murder of indigenous children (and adults) are not a priority for now. I am too busy learning how to make hospital beds, and first aid training to be considering that for now.

I swear I recall that Boris did not imply that ALL indigenous people rape and murder babies. It is inferred that Boris claims that indigenous people have a considerably higher rate of committing rape and murder of babies.

Perhaps you have not been a victim of crime in your life, SK.

What nonsense.

As for Aboriginal children being raped either by adults or their peers ... it has happened frequently in the past 2 decades.

Toddlers with injuries(from rape) so severe they have to be flown out of the community to intensive care ....that toddler and others also having STDs like gonorrhea and syphilis.

So tell me what's going on here?

Haven't you already done a course for this... and also done practical work in a relevant facility?

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I am too busy learning how to make hospital beds, and first aid training to be considering that for now.

How do you fit that in with your restaurant dishwashing schedule?

Becoming a professional trainee/student are we? Roll Eyes

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Reply #52 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:06pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

re: the 2nd highlight I don't think he's ever said "all Indigenous Australians" ...

is that typical lefty lying/twisting the narrative to suit your progressive left wank ideology/opinion?

Unless you're saying that he doesn't have a command of the English language, just look at the thread title,

"They rape and murder babies"

He is referring to Indigenous Australians, although he, like many on here, prefers to use less acceptable language to refer to them, if not outright slurs.

Using "they" to refer to an ethnicity implies a sweeping generalisation about all individuals within that group. This kind of language can inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes and overlook the diversity within any ethnic group.

Or in this case, deliberately do so.

For example, saying "They are good at maths" when referring to a particular ethnic group not only generalises about the entire group but also reinforces a stereotype that may not be true for everyone within that group.

I'd be happy to correct any possible mistake if Boris is willing to articulate what he meant, but it's been how many pages now and he's been happy to leave it at face value, that he is painting them all with this brush.

I don't expect him to do so since he's the one who wanted the army sent into the Alice to shoot them all on sight, but we'll see.

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Reply #53 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:22pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

re: the 2nd highlight I don't think he's ever said "all Indigenous Australians" ...

is that typical lefty lying/twisting the narrative to suit your progressive left wank ideology/opinion?

Unless you're saying that he doesn't have a command of the English language, just look at the thread title,

"They rape and murder babies"

He is referring to Indigenous Australians, although he, like many on here, prefers to use less acceptable language to refer to them, if not outright slurs.

Using "they" to refer to an ethnicity implies a sweeping generalisation about all individuals within that group. This kind of language can inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes and overlook the diversity within any ethnic group.

Or in this case, deliberately do so.

For example, saying "They are good at maths" when referring to a particular ethnic group not only generalises about the entire group but also reinforces a stereotype that may not be true for everyone within that group.

I'd be happy to correct any possible mistake if Boris is willing to articulate what he meant, but it's been how many pages now and he's been happy to leave it at face value, that he is painting them all with this brush.

I don't expect him to do so since he's the one who wanted the army sent into the Alice to shoot them all on sight, but we'll see.

Seems you don't have the command of the English language.

"they" doesn't constitute all.

And yes it's your typically outraged lefty wank ideology that drives you to lie & twist what was said to suit your narrative.

Other ethnicities are irrelevant to this conversation so come back off your tangent you sad bastard.

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Reply #54 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:33pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 4:06pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

Indigenous people make up about 3.8% of Australia's nearly 27 million. That is about 1 million indigenous people in Australia. There are 26 times as many non-indigenous Australians as there are indigenous Australians. Consider that into your calculations.

But, okay, let us ignore indigenous domestic violence cases, given that violence is a part of traditional indigenous life. We can focus on non-indigenous people's domestic violence only. Don't want to be 'racist' now, do we?

No ...that's 1 million who identify as Indigenous/Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander.

That doesn't mean there is actually 1 million Aboriginals in Australia.

Well, yeah, that is fairly reasonable. There might be about 200,000 full-blooded indigenous people in Australia.

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Reply #55 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:09pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

As for Aboriginal children being raped either by adults or their peers ... it has happened frequently in the past 2 decades.

Toddlers with injuries(from rape) so severe they have to be flown out of the community to intensive care ....that toddler and others also having STDs like gonorrhea and syphilis.

To my understanding, I am using the statistics provided by reputable sources. Plus, I have interacted with people who have been sexually and physically abused.

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So tell me what's going on here?

Haven't you already done a course for this... and also done practical work in a relevant facility?

I have done the theory for my course. And I did a 2 day practical back in February. In just over a month, I will be doing placement at a nearby facility. The residents there are unlikely to be indigenous or have experience rape or domestic violence for quite some time.

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I am too busy learning how to make hospital beds, and first aid training to be considering that for now.

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How do you fit that in with your restaurant dishwashing schedule?

Becoming a professional trainee/student are we? Roll Eyes

Work has been anywhere between 15 and 25 hours a week. I am on leave for now until July. Then I might be able to go on leave again for my week-long 40 hours of practical at the facility. I have genuinely been more invested in my studies for the first time since 2018. But, you only need to do about 10 hours of study per week to finish a subject. I think I have about 20 subjects to complete (16 completed so far) before I am accredited for the theory side. That should be all done by next week. The course work consists of doing open-book multiple choice, short answer questions and even partake in workplace scenarios -- including submitting videos of 5 minutes of yourself conducting interviews with a client).

But, this has nothing to do with concerning oneself with the issue of indigenous health and welfare.

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Reply #56 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:09pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:48pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:39pm:

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Such claims lack substantiated evidence and are harmful as they perpetuate negative stereotypes about Indigenous peoples, again your aim.

Comprehensive crime statistics from reputable sources (Australian Bureau of Statistics, Australian Institute of Criminology) do not support the notion that Indigenous Australians commit crimes, especially violent crimes against children, at rates significantly higher than non-Indigenous Australians.

That is just not the case. I have quoted from Government web pages and provided their statistics and the links for you to see for yourself.

But your head is up your arse.

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First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

34 times more likely to be hospitalised from violence = 3,400% higher than non-Aborigines.

6 times more likely to die as a result of family violence = 600% higher than non-Aborigines.

There is the cold hard statistics from the Government.

But you think 3,400% and 600% is meaningless and does not mean they rape and murder - it does - but you refuse to see reality.

I actually saw it with my own eyes - and it is not something you soon forget.

But you wouldn't know - fool.

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

It hardly proved your point.

But you have at least selectively identified a problem, even if your motives are untoward.

And then?

Where to from here?

Previously you have expressed a strong opposition to anything resembling closing the gap and consider our indigenous brothers and sisters to be sub human and incapable of evolving, so what next?

How do we help the women and babies you so love to remind us are in danger?

34 times more likely to be hospitalised from violence = 3,400% higher than non-Aborigines.

6 times more likely to die as a result of family violence = 600% higher than non-Aborigines.

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Reply #57 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 7:40am

Boris wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:09pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 3:56pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 8:48pm:

Boris wrote on Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 2:39pm:

You said:

Such claims lack substantiated evidence and are harmful as they perpetuate negative stereotypes about Indigenous peoples, again your aim.

Comprehensive crime statistics from reputable sources (Australian Bureau of Statistics, Australian Institute of Criminology) do not support the notion that Indigenous Australians commit crimes, especially violent crimes against children, at rates significantly higher than non-Indigenous Australians.

That is just not the case. I have quoted from Government web pages and provided their statistics and the links for you to see for yourself.

But your head is up your arse.

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First Nations women and children are disproportionately impacted by family and domestic violence. They are 34 times more likely to be hospitalised due to violence than non-Indigenous women and six times more likely to die as a result of family violence.7 Nov 2023

34 times more likely to be hospitalised from violence = 3,400% higher than non-Aborigines.

6 times more likely to die as a result of family violence = 600% higher than non-Aborigines.

There is the cold hard statistics from the Government.

But you think 3,400% and 600% is meaningless and does not mean they rape and murder - it does - but you refuse to see reality.

I actually saw it with my own eyes - and it is not something you soon forget.

But you wouldn't know - fool.

So you've chosen to ignore the vast majority of the occurrences of these instances around the nation and hyper-focus on only those caused by a specific ethnic group you have a long history of discriminating against.

It hardly proved your point.

But you have at least selectively identified a problem, even if your motives are untoward.

And then?

Where to from here?

Previously you have expressed a strong opposition to anything resembling closing the gap and consider our indigenous brothers and sisters to be sub human and incapable of evolving, so what next?

How do we help the women and babies you so love to remind us are in danger?

34 times more likely to be hospitalised from violence = 3,400% higher than non-Aborigines.

6 times more likely to die as a result of family violence = 600% higher than non-Aborigines.

Incapable of answering the question then?

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Reply #58 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 7:51am

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 5:54pm:

re: the 2nd highlight I don't think he's ever said "all Indigenous Australians" ...

is that typical lefty lying/twisting the narrative to suit your progressive left wank ideology/opinion?

Unless you're saying that he doesn't have a command of the English language, just look at the thread title,

"They rape and murder babies"

He is referring to Indigenous Australians, although he, like many on here, prefers to use less acceptable language to refer to them, if not outright slurs.

Using "they" to refer to an ethnicity implies a sweeping generalisation about all individuals within that group. This kind of language can inadvertently perpetuate stereotypes and overlook the diversity within any ethnic group.

Or in this case, deliberately do so.

For example, saying "They are good at maths" when referring to a particular ethnic group not only generalises about the entire group but also reinforces a stereotype that may not be true for everyone within that group.

I'd be happy to correct any possible mistake if Boris is willing to articulate what he meant, but it's been how many pages now and he's been happy to leave it at face value, that he is painting them all with this brush.

I don't expect him to do so since he's the one who wanted the army sent into the Alice to shoot them all on sight, but we'll see.

Seems you don't have the command of the English language.

"they" doesn't constitute all.

And yes it's your typically outraged lefty wank ideology that drives you to lie & twist what was said to suit your narrative.

Other ethnicities are irrelevant to this conversation so come back off your tangent you sad bastard.

Stop defending the indefensible,

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:41am:

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:30am:

Boris wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 8:12am:

They rape children all the time in the Initiation and just for fun - I have posted links reports to the Senate how they have fake initiations so they can rape children.

SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 11^th, 2022 at 7:47am:

I don't know who is feeding you this information, but you need to stop listening to them.

I know it might be hard, especially because they're feeding you information that you want to hear, that reinforces your supremacy over all indigenous Australians but that's lead you to believe, to be misled and duped into the belief that any moves for equality and reconciliation mean something will be taken from you.

If you care so deeply about the children in these communities, wouldn't you want to help them by accepting and working with those going down the voice pathway?

Give them better representation, more awareness of their issues, and greater assistance in resolving them?

Or are you simply exploiting the idea of child rape to push your lies and bullshit claims?

They rape children

read Bad Dreaming by Louis Nowra

Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction.

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committee...

Have a read fool - children are raped for fun

In case there has been some miscommunication, you're saying that ALL Indigenous Australians do these things you claim, not just their bad elements like in any community?

Yes

He's made the claim before and it's his deliberate intention that he's doing it again, unless he wants to correct the record.

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Reply #59 - Jun 5^th, 2024 at 10:29am

Lyla Coorey in a 2005 report to the Senate, said some elders were abusing boys in fake initiations. Gary Lee, an indigenous researcher, said boys as young as eight are being used for sex, with almost cultural sanction.

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

Have a read fool - children are raped for fun

https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Former_Committee...

Tabled document
Report by Ms Lyla Coorey, 'Child sexual abuse in rural and remote Indigenous Australian communities - a preliminary investigation'. (PDF 385KB)

There is the document - children are raped for fun - by Aborigines - one is too many and it happens all the time - the rate is way too high - and these people are on remote settlements and have everything they want and nothing better to do than rape children

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