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Reply #15 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

The vast majority of the young folk will choose: "volunteering one weekend every month carrying out a community service"

What about the ones who choose neither option, though - are they gonna throw them in prison?

Public hangings with clowns and other entertainment?

David Cameron will be the Master of Ceremonies and hangman.

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Reply #16 - May 26^th, 2024 at 3:29pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

The vast majority of the young folk will choose: "volunteering one weekend every month carrying out a community service"

What about the ones who choose neither option, though - are they gonna throw them in prison?

Public hangings with clowns and other entertainment?

David Cameron will be the Master of Ceremonies and hangman.

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Reply #17 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:10pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 1:09pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 11:59am:

Bobby. wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

It said 18-year-olds would have a choice of either joining the military full-time, or volunteering one weekend every month carrying out a community service.

And if they choose to do neither?

Are these dickheads going to throw teenagers in prison if they don't participate?

"The prison system in England and Wales is dangerously close to capacity, with 98 percent of available spaces full, according to data released by Britain’s Ministry of Justice on Friday that experts said underscored an ongoing crisis within the criminal justice system."

Concentration camps?

The people who accept conscription could be used to arrest and guard the ones who don't.

If the majority resists it will be a huge hit to the UK economy.

Conscription won't last longer than the time from execution of conscription to the next election.

yep - the tinted Rishi will have to open concentration camps and put Whities in it.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102442 Melbourne Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #19 - May 26^th, 2024 at 4:23pm Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:17pm: Very funny but did Rishi have any survey done?
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Reply #20 - May 26^th, 2024 at 10:57pm

Conservatives on X:

https://x.com/Conservatives/status/1794644628748345355

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We'll introduce a bold new model of National Service.

To up-skill the next generation, make our nation secure & build a stronger national culture.

Whether in the Armed Forces or volunteering in our NHS, every young person will do their duty to build a secure future for the UK.

Dr. Philip Lee on X:

https://x.com/drphiliplee1/status/1794670956650299752

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I cannot wait until our ward is staffed by "volunteer" teenagers who don't want to be there.

Indeed. The NHS (National Health Service) in the UK has enough problems to deal with these days with Covid, etc. as it is.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10782 armidale Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #21 - May 27^th, 2024 at 4:21am Sunak said he believed it will foster the "national spirit, generations of young people have not had the opportunities or experience they deserve". Teenage surgeons will gain job skills repairing hearts and stomachs of Britons at death's door.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10670 Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #22 - May 27^th, 2024 at 7:14am chimera wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 4:21am: will foster the "national spirit" This was the "national spirit" in Australia in 1966 William White being dragged away by four syphiloid infected turds http://barkeryear10vietnam.pbworks.com/w/page/11427558/Conscientious%20Objectors ...
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10782 armidale Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #23 - May 27^th, 2024 at 7:21am At least the British at 18 years have voting rights. In 1966 Oz slave-soldiers had no vote. It was 'Die for the Fatherland' (South Vietnam).
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Reply #24 - May 27^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

Before conscription, our young men/women joined the military to fight against the hollywood dehumanized version of the enemy. Or, against the manufactured exitential threat to our glorified freedoms that was never threatened(stopping the spread of Communism).

War has always been created by the oligarchy. Telling us to fight HIS enemies until he can get all of his spoils. This also includes all covert oligarchy under false democracy and Crony Capitalism. Oligarchs get richer(since they invest in the war), and the poor jusyt get poorer(since they fund and fight the wa). This is a negative-sum game vs. peace and free trade.

The only true justification for war, is in self-defense of your own nation. NOT IN THE DEFENSE OF OTHER NATIONS! Not because of escalations of events, caused by foreign presence on foreign soil. I doubts if any Australian or American soldier wants to die for any Croat soldier. Or, wants to start WWIII.

War can also be used to cull the world population.

War also changes people's personality. Many found suicide as their only means of recovery from their PTSD. After soldiers fought in the trenches, the romanticized version of war quickly ended. Conscription for WWII had to be legislated.

If old men want war, let them fight in it!! They can still join the Legionnaires!!

https://www.quora.com/How-much-does-fighting-in-a-war-change-a-person
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=876612176515421

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Reply #25 - May 27^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

greggerypeccary wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:54pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

The vast majority of the young folk will choose: "volunteering one weekend every month carrying out a community service"

What about the ones who choose neither option, though - are they gonna throw them in prison?

I imagine there will be a carrot and stick approach. Those who complete national service get preference in university and community college places and assistance with costs, preferential employment in government agencies ( some private businesses would also be on board with that) cheap home loans....all that sort of thing. Those who don't comply will be at the back of the queue for higher education places, maybe restricted or no unemployment benefits.....

While there may arguably be some benefit in the community service area, compulsory military service is not a good idea.

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Reply #26 - May 27^th, 2024 at 5:05pm

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-27/what-is-rishi-sunak-plan-for-uk-national-...

What does British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's proposed national service plan mean?

By Kaitlin Easton and Audrey Courty

Posted 2h ago

Here is what we know about the proposed policy and the history of national service in Australia.
What is the difference between national service and conscription?

Conscription means people are forced to join the armed forces for a certain period of time.

Mr Sunak's national service proposal falls some way short of that.

British 18-year-olds would be compelled to volunteer in the community or enter a 12-month placement in the armed forces.
What would national service look like in the UK?

Teenagers would be given two choices if the Conservatives win the general election and enforce national service in the UK.

The first option would be volunteering in the community, giving up one weekend a month for a year.

Placements could include helping the NHS, police and fire services, and some charities.

A full-time placement in the armed forces for 12 months would be the second option.

Young people who chose this option would "learn and take part in logistics, cyber security, procurement or civil response operations," the Conservatives said.

National service would apply to young people in England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland.

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Reply #27 - May 27^th, 2024 at 5:54pm

Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:05pm:

The first option would be volunteering in the community, giving up one weekend a month for a year.

Placements could include helping the NHS, police and fire services, and some charities.

Yeah they'll be forced to "volunteer" ... only a major party would say "volunteer" when it's really conscription. The Coalition here thought that way in the 60s, they reckoned if 20y/olds complied with conscription, they were actually volunteering, never mind the two year jail term if they didn't

If the UK teens are asked to sign any papers, they should sign with their little finger

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44105 Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #28 - May 27^th, 2024 at 6:04pm Brian Ross wrote on May 26^th, 2024 at 4:17pm: Not satire. Documentary.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10782 armidale Gender:	Re: UK - mandatory national service. Reply #29 - May 27^th, 2024 at 6:04pm Bobby. wrote on May 27^th, 2024 at 5:05pm: Placements could include helping the police Teenage boys from gangs get a truncheon, armour jacket and boots to visit a rival gang. Girls in ambulances collect the stiffs.
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