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Reply #30 - May 27th, 2024 at 6:21pm
 
The 2014 occupation of Crimea woke Sweden up—but so did basic math. In Sweden’s wealthy, highly individualistic society, voluntary military service held scant appeal. An experiment with part-time professional soldiers was a failure. The military shrank rapidly: By 2013, only 579 recruits completed the full 11 months of initial entry training. On Jan. 1, 2018, Sweden pulled the plug on its failed policy and restored mandatory military service.

Unlike the Cold War system, however, Swedish conscription is now both selective and gender neutral. A hundred thousand 18-year-olds are screened for service annually, but only about 5 percent of this cohort serves. Sweden aims to double this number by 2030. Roughly 10 percent of those serving do so unwillingly, with jail the alternative.

Selective conscription, stiffened and led by a small professional force, potentially offers armies the best of both worlds. Since the military needs only a small fraction of every cohort, it can afford to be very picky—standards are higher in Sweden’s post-2018 force than they were before 2010. As in any society, this exclusivity functions as a signaling device: Educational and corporate leaders know that successful conscript service marks a young Swede as being in the top of his or her peer group—doubly so for the small portion of conscripts selected for additional training and longer service as junior officers.

As in any competent conscription system, Swedish national service has two major advantages beyond the basic manning of the military: talent acquisition and expansion of reserves. On the front end, Sweden can screen all young people in the nation, select the most promising for military service, and then attempt to induce the best to stay on for a military career.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/15/sweden-nato-military-conscription-model-def...

Other smart countries with (selective) conscription: Denmark, Norway, Finland, Switzerland, Israel, Austria and a few others.

It is a good idea if it is done smartly.
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Reply #31 - May 27th, 2024 at 6:59pm
 
Frank,
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Sweden can screen all young people in the nation,
select the most promising for military service


Rather unfortunate for society.
I read somewhere the the best scientists and engineers in the world
are involved in military projects instead of doing jobs to make the world a better place.
What a shocking waste of our best human resources -
working out better ways to kill each other instead of furthering our civilisation.

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Reply #32 - May 27th, 2024 at 9:00pm
 
Most non-nuclear modern wars today may not require any boots-on-the-ground at all.  In an age of drones, laser-guided missiles, chemical/biological agents, and robots, the battlefield will look a lot different.

The events on 9/ll have showed us that you really only need is a skilled coder, a half-decent computer, and a working Internet connection to wreak havoc on an enemy.

We even have DNA-Signature weapons. We can craft viruses that can only afflict people with a specific DNA-signature. Including their families.

Even though a nuclear war is an unwinnable moment of suicidal madness. It will always be the default choice over a country's total annihilation.

Increasing the size of the military through conscription, only adds more meat to the grounder.
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Reply #33 - May 27th, 2024 at 9:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 6:59pm:
Frank,
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Sweden can screen all young people in the nation,
select the most promising for military service


Rather unfortunate for society.
I read somewhere the the best scientists and engineers in the world
are involved in military projects instead of doing jobs to make the world a better place.
What a shocking waste of our best human resources -
working out better ways to kill each other instead of furthering our civilisation.


You are a boob, Booby.  A "Press me, I'm a tit" kind of boob.

Defence is not about "ways to kill each other". 

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Reply #34 - May 27th, 2024 at 10:06pm
 
In a capitalist society killing people pays better than nurturing and healing people.
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Reply #35 - May 27th, 2024 at 10:09pm
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 6:59pm:
Frank,
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Sweden can screen all young people in the nation,
select the most promising for military service


Rather unfortunate for society.
I read somewhere the the best scientists and engineers in the world
are involved in military projects instead of doing jobs to make the world a better place.
What a shocking waste of our best human resources -
working out better ways to kill each other instead of furthering our civilisation.


You are a boob, Booby.  A "Press me, I'm a tit" kind of boob.

Defence is not about "ways to kill each other". 




The military scientists are always building bigger and better bombs.     Roll Eyes
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Reply #36 - May 28th, 2024 at 5:16am
 
Frank wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 9:58pm:
Defence is not about "ways to kill each other". 

'Australian Defence Force (ADF) policy on maternal health care: Health Directive No 235 - Management of pregnant members in the Australian Defence Force.'
The budget is $52.5 billion with 27% for nappies, milk formula and noise control. 72% is for military birth operations, 1% for missiles.
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Reply #37 - Jun 4th, 2024 at 3:56pm
 
Let us face things. The West is gearing up for something in the next 20 years. There probably will be Sunak, Macron, and Albanese around then to see the results of their preparation.
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Reply #38 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 2:34am
 
I'm all for this.
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Reply #39 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 2:34am
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on May 27th, 2024 at 10:06pm:
In a capitalist society killing people pays better than nurturing and healing people.



Says the troll who has stated on this very forum he'd love to "rape" me.
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Reply #40 - Jun 9th, 2024 at 7:06pm
 
Marla wrote on Jun 9th, 2024 at 2:34am:
I'm all for this.


You are all for what?
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