Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 12
th, 2024 at 2:56pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 20
th, 2024 at 3:49pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 20
th, 2024 at 1:30pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 20
th, 2024 at 11:46am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 19
th, 2024 at 4:15pm:
Arrrgh - could buy yez a dozen of 'em fer a sovereign!!
Could you? And how does that refute the points I made in #99, to which you imagined you were replying?
I was ignoring you, not replying to you, MR Strauss *- following the crowd, you see - not 'refuting' anything you say - not worth the trouble when people make nonsensical points' over and over by simply refusing reality.
https://www.tiktok.com/@memenheimer/video/7265434361531731246Did it occur to you that they were talking about something more important than you?
I'm well aware your intellectual (sic) blindness renders you incapable of addressing the issue of " the people" ...each of whom has his own opinion, and therefore the concept of the 'sovereign citizen' is absurd since sovereignty can only reside in government and rule of law. Even King John recognised that when he was forced to sign the Magna Carta back in the day.
Do try to keep up (access your brain).
I say people as sovereign - in that sense each individual is sovereign .... it has nothing to do with THIS 'sovereign citizen' thing at all.....
1. Your errors revealed straight away: "
the people as sovereign,"
does NOT lead to "each individual is sovereign".
Note: Even King John ("the Crown") was forced to admit the limits of HIS individual "sovereignty", even though he WAS "sovereign" ("the Crown"....)
See your error now?
2. It has EVERTHING to do with "THIS sovereign citizen thing"; see King John signing the Magna Charter.
Quote:it just says that in our form of democracy the people SHOULD properly hold the power - must I refer you once more to Gilbert and Sullivan?
Your error: the people
in the aggregate,
represented by their government is sovereign, no one individual is sovereign under rule of law established by government.
(No need to refer to G&S, their characters are no doubt as confused as you).
Quote:Even back then smart people realised the reality of power and the chicanery of politics -and how the real power in the land, rather than residing with the voting public - actually resides with those who determine who they get to vote for.... pals on the inside...
But you are still stuck with the fact self-interested individuals divide c. 50-50, in 'democratic elections', to elect parties with supposedly different policies which supposedly benefit the individuals who elect those opposing parties.
The real problem is voters expect politicians to make beneficial changes in their lives, but newly elected governments can't raise the necessary funds without increasing taxes and debt.
Exhibit 1: Poor Liz Truss: when she tried to REDUCE taxes she was forced out - not by the electorate, but by the state's money lenders who believed the UK government would not be able to repay its loans to those same money-lenders, if taxes were reduced.
Now Starmer is already back-tracking: the promise to reduce child poverty will "have to wait", because "the nation is broke", and he promised not to raise taxes...
All becauuse of deplorable lies of the current financial/central bank orthodoxy, which have you hooked, line-and-sinker.
Quote:That's how we got Robodebt ....
Robodebt was a disastrous money-pinching exercise, forced on government by its lenders to 'balance the budget", as noted above.
Quote:the belief in the divine right of elected government to do as it pleases, creeping into elected politics.... that's how we get the belief in 'judges' etc that rather than being servants of the law with obligations, they simply have absolute power (and we all know where that leads) ... and that leads us to the situation where people with the ear of government can go about creating trouble after trouble out of thin air and just keep pushing the envelopes/the boundaries, like the children they are in reality ........
You are describing the experiences of democratic governments which are forced to rely on funding by private money lenders.
(Speaking of "creating out of thin air", that's how money is created, and it's a power which should also reside in government (to purchase what is available for purchase) as well as a power reserved for private money lenders, as at present).
Quote:I'm not the only one who sees these things clearly.... but we tend to forgive the autistic like you.... we're a kind lot, we Realists.
Not so so fast, hairy legs (...to borrow a phrase) ....but yes, generosity is a wonderful thing.
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