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Reply #30 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am

Setanta wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 8:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 8:14pm:

Setanta wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

It was a tragic ending. Police might as well say that they were conducting a premeditated execution of the person.

It was the best outcome possible.

Everyone wins.

The allegation made was that the guy had a gun holstered. The man allegedly went for the gun. The police shot him.

Yep.

And he died.

A great outcome for everyone.

Could not have ended any better.

I will start by saying I can't see the video as it has an age rating and I do not have a youtube account. I'd like to be enlighten why a video that shows a mentally handicapped person shot by police should gladden Gregg's heart so much.

I'm curious.

One less oxygen thief.

He decided to reach for his gun, and he paid the price.

No sympathy for homicidal maniacs from me.

You?

As I said, I can't watch the video, I'll have to take your word on pulling a gun. So mentally handicapped people that reach for a weapon should be shot and you will celebrate it? I thought you were against the DP.

You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty.

They are two completely different things.

Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out.

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Reply #31 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty.

They are two completely different things.

Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out.

Good point; but the topic is sovereign citizens, not criminal low-life or tragic retards driven by their reptilian brains whom the world is better off without.

Whereas Graps praises 'high class' sovereign citizens who merely have contempt for rule of law...which is why he didn't attempt to refute my post.

And of course apart from low life crims and retards, there are people who are oppressed by vicious mainstream neoliberal economic systems and poltical orthodoxies, and are forced onto welfare dependency.

Hence a complex situation re law enforcement, especially given some cops are no doubt wanna be Genghis Khan 'tough on crime' thugs, and notably in the US where every citizen is "sovereign" and can buy a gun if he has the money.

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Reply #32 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:34am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

the topic is sovereign citizens, not criminal low-life or tragic retards ..
.. in the US where every citizen is "sovereign" and can buy a gun if he has the money.

Then sovereign citizens don't have guns and do have guns.
And sovereign citizens are a minority and are every person.

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Reply #33 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:57am

chimera wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:34am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:25am:

the topic is sovereign citizens, not criminal low-life or tragic retards ..
.. in the US where every citizen is "sovereign" and can buy a gun if he has the money.

Then sovereign citizens don't have guns and do have guns.
And sovereign citizens are a minority and are every person.

A confused narrative to be expected from a delusional 'sovereign citizen' - of which every US citizen can claim the "right" (via the obsolete 2nd ammendment.

Fortunately , PM John Howard wasn't a 'sovereign citizen' and he saved Oz from the gun-death chaos in the US, even though crims are just as prevalent in Oz.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10991 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #34 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:20pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:25am: in the US where every citizen is "sovereign" 'A confused narrative to be expected from a delusional'. 'every US citizen can claim the "right" (via the obsolete 2nd ammendment.' So they are sovereign by obeying the US Constitutional government.....?
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12505 Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #35 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:39pm chimera wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:20pm: So they are sovereign by obeying the US Constitutional government.....? The US constitution itself - or rather the obsolete 2nd amendment - aids and abets all the sovereign citizen ideologues. Result: the greatest gun-death violence of any 1st world country.
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10991 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #36 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:44pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:57am: PM John Howard wasn't a 'sovereign citizen' and he saved Oz from the gun-death chaos in the US Then all gun owners in Oz with a gun licence are sovereign citizens? People on the king's highway with a driver's licence are sovereign? Gun owners with cars need shooting by cops?
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Reply #37 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 1:09pm

chimera wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:57am:

PM John Howard wasn't a 'sovereign citizen' and he saved Oz from the gun-death chaos in the US

Then all gun owners in Oz with a gun licence are sovereign citizens?

No, they have a licence with conditions issued by sovereign government.

Do try to keep up.

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People on the king's highway with a driver's licence are sovereign? Gun owners with cars need shooting by cops?

See how the delusional 'sovereign citizen's' mind works - totally confusing himself with contradictory nonsense which he somehow thinks is logic.

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Reply #38 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:08pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 1:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 1:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7^th, 2024 at 9:36pm:

It was a tragic ending. Police might as well say that they were conducting a premeditated execution of the person.

It was the best outcome possible.

Everyone wins.

The allegation made was that the guy had a gun holstered. The man allegedly went for the gun. The police shot him.

Yep.

And he died.

A great outcome for everyone.

Could not have ended any better.

I will start by saying I can't see the video as it has an age rating and I do not have a youtube account. I'd like to be enlighten why a video that shows a mentally handicapped person shot by police should gladden Gregg's heart so much.

I'm curious.

You should be able to access Youtube even without a Youtube account. But, if Youtube requires an age range, I can understand.

I agree. The death of a mentally handicapped person should not be met with glee.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24619 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #39 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:51pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am: You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty. They are two completely different things. Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out. He got the death penalty for being a dick. Not worth the paper work.
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Reply #40 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:53pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty.

They are two completely different things.

Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out.

He got the death penalty for being a dick. Not worth the paper work.

It's a bit silly to claim you're a Sovereign Citizen when a cop
is pointing a loaded gun at your head.

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Reply #41 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:54pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 11:57am:

'sovereign citizen' - of which every US citizen can claim the "right" (via the obsolete 2nd ammendment.
Fortunately , PM John Howard wasn't a 'sovereign citizen' and he saved Oz from the gun-death chaos in the US, even though crims are just as prevalent in Oz.

'they have a licence with conditions issued by sovereign government.'

You say US citizens are sovereign by the 2nd Amendment of the government. Oz government is sovereign and gives gun licences. So sovereign citizens depend on sovereign government to not depend on government. Then an Oz car licence from the government creates sovereign citizens.
John Howard was against guns so he wasn't sovereign. Guns are for sovereign citizens with government licences or US government Amendment.

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Reply #42 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty.

They are two completely different things.

Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out.

He got the death penalty for being a dick. Not worth the paper work.

It's a bit silly to claim you're a Sovereign Citizen when a cop
is pointing a loaded gun at your head.

He is allowed to claim that he is a Sovereign Citizen. The police is allowed to point a gun at the alleged perp if the perp is acting in a way that he threatens the life of the police officer.

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Reply #43 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:27pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 2:51pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:11am:

You're confusing self-defence with the death penalty.

They are two completely different things.

Hard to believe this needs to be pointed out.

He got the death penalty for being a dick. Not worth the paper work.

It's a bit silly to claim you're a Sovereign Citizen when a cop
is pointing a loaded gun at your head.

He is allowed to claim that he is a Sovereign Citizen. The police is allowed to point a gun at the alleged perp if the perp is acting in a way that he threatens the life of the police officer.

I couldn't tell from the video if he was reaching for a gun.
I did see a gun on the floor of the car.
The important footage of the video was all cut out.
I will assume that the coroner will investigate it thoroughly.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 10991 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #44 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 3:54pm The calm conversation and the sudden switch to shouting as he resisted indicates something.
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