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Sovereign Citizens
Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 5:21pm

I've been watching YouTube videos with Sovereign Citizens lately, and they're hilarious.

For those who don't know, Sovereign Citizens (SovCits) are anti-government extremists who believe that laws don't apply to them.

They don't get driver's licences, don't register or insure their cars, and when pulled over for a traffic stop refuse to give their name etc.

They always end up in jail.

Some of them seem to have serious mental health problems, but others are just attention whores who like to go looking for a fight.

Here are a few of the precious little snowflakes:

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller

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Reply #1 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:19pm

Well - they do have a point - as much point as the Secessionist States seceding from the Union.... a Union entered into voluntarily can be broken...... and one entered into by one side involuntarily from birth is open to discussion at the very least.

So - what about that ceding of sovereignty here? That is a big issue and is never openly discussed around the dreaded round table with all 'stakeholders' given a fair chance and equal footing, just like every other important issue - but is left instead to a set of pat phrases to be bandied about at whim by 'activists'.

True government comes from a mandate of the masses, willingly given and fully informed! We're a semi-autonomous, quasi-anarchic egalitarian assemblage of rules-bound free individuals who vote every three years on our elected representatives, who then sit down and natter out the best way forward, and if we disagree with them we can write to them or vote them out next time around, or even refuse to abide by their dictates under the guiding principle that 'an unjust law – (or decision or policy for that matter) – is no law - (or decision or policy for that matter) - at all'!

You see the difference? 'We' choose to be rules-bound - these Sovereign Citoyennes refuse to be....... s'all about.............. (rolling thunder for dividie).................. Personal Sovereignty.... innit?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #2 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:36pm Is this one an attention-whore or an escaped mental patient?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #3 - Jun 3^rd, 2024 at 6:47pm It was nice when the 3rd video guy called out politely 'are we free to go now?'
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Reply #4 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:12am

Point is this:- Is being shoe-horned into acceptance of a culture/society etc from birth an absolute right of the culture/government of the day - or should only adults be permitted to vote with their feet one way or the other and either become willingly compliant with these things, or simply say NO to them? Should children be forced to accept being part of all of those things or not?

As I said - they have a point - point is - by what right do they swim in the same sea of fish as those who accept 'civic responsibility' as being part of the specified society? Can they go down and eat Macca's, drive the roads etc, even drive an uninspected and unsafe vehicle if they so choose, without 'paying their dues' to the very culture/society that creates these things and expects minimum standards in safety of and behaviour towards others? Or are they on their own entirely?

I can see some very clear parallels here with modern Australia... YOU?

Can a person choose or not to be a sovereign citizen of the nation/culture without being forced to not accept any or all parts of that nation/culture*? Or should they be sent on to their own 'nation state' where they can 'do things their way' without let AND without interfering with the activities of others? (Enter Stage Left - Anarchic Park - an adjunct of Aborassic Park and The Free Second State of Abestine) ......

"Let's just all agree that Harriet has the RIGHT to drive a car..."

"Even if she is unlicenced, and even if she doesn't know how to drive one?"

"Yes - it could be symbolic of her struggle against oppression and being forced to conform!"

"More like a struggle with her own sanity....."

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #5 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:19am A sovereign has the right to walk over other people on the footpath. If they fail to do so, their sovereignty is terminated.
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Reply #6 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:25am

chimera wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:19am:

A sovereign has the right to walk over other people on the footpath. If they fail to do so, their sovereignty is terminated.

"A moment, Your Majesty - I'll have the peasants form a human log bridge for you over this muddy ditch..... now - face down, you lot - you can't look on the sovereign too closely .... allow me to try it first to ensure there is no mud getting through, Your Majesty..."

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“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 8:32am 'Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown'. Putin's guard has 340,000 troops and he keeps his crown under his pillow.
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #8 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:26am The USA is heading towards anarchy as it becomes ungovernable as lawmakers and MAGA mobs foment chaos and dissent. The manufacture of consent has been displaced by the manufacture of dissent.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #9 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:50am It is heading towards the chaos of Syria, Iraq, Iran and Gaza. Muhammad makes them a bit worse.
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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #10 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:57am chimera wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:50am: It is heading towards the chaos of Syria, Iraq, Iran and Gaza. Muhammad makes them a bit worse. If America reached the chaos of Syria, Iraq, Iran and Gaza that would be an improvement on its present state.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #11 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 10:36am Who is then more unjust than he who utters a lie against Allah and (he who) gives the lie to the truth when it comes to him; is there not in hell an abode for the unbelievers? And on the day of resurrection you shall see those who lied against Allah; their faces shall be blackened.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83822 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #12 - Jun 4^th, 2024 at 11:06am Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 4^th, 2024 at 9:26am: The USA is heading towards anarchy as it becomes ungovernable as lawmakers and MAGA mobs foment chaos and dissent. The manufacture of consent has been displaced by the manufacture of dissent. You're learning - slow still.. but learning....
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Re: Sovereign Citizens
Reply #13 - Jun 6^th, 2024 at 4:11pm

There is something deeply satisfying watching people like this getting arrested and squealing like a pig.

Obey the law. If it's good enough to demand of minorities then these entitled white folk should do the same.

If not, they get the same.

THe local movement here is quite sad.

The Corporation of Australia under maritime law means they don't have to be bound by our laws.

Hilarious.

But on a serious note, they waste so much resources from law enforcement to the courts, it's a disgrace.

They've never once had a win, other than begging for money for their legal defence funds or grifting people trying to teach them how to beat the system.

Cookers gonna cook.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10972 armidale Gender:	Re: Sovereign Citizens Reply #14 - Jun 6^th, 2024 at 4:27pm Their creativity must require effort. 'Travelling is not driving'. 'Driving is only when you do deliveries'. The cops seem to enjoy the endless repetition of silliness. (cof cof)..
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