As sovereign people we offer limited acceptance of the right of government to do things on our behalf... but whenever there is a chain of abuses and impositions and exclusions - it is the right... it is the duty... of the people to remove such government, by any means necessary.

What we - the people as sovereign - do not possess is unlimited right to do as we wish, but are, instead, bound by the rules of civilised behaviour.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:


Moving you further in the direction of chimera's idiocy - "gibbersih" according to judges in Oz courts of law:

"As sovereign people" (your words)..... of whom each has his own opinion on what the law should be.

Restating your same argument in different words won't save you.

"We offer limited acceptance, etc.": no "we" don't, we fight in fraudulent elections (and shoot one-another in many countries) to try to get our own idea of law up, while the rich laugh all the way to the bank.   

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Same old error : "the people" -  who are divided by fraudulent flat-earth economics which keeps  the rich laughing all the way to the bank.   

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You misunderstand the meaning of "the people are sovereign" , which means the people who are governed by their sovereign government.

Individuals can't make laws, governments can. 

George Washington gave people guns which made them sovereign citizens. George was slightly insane and was greatly divided. He didn't say that.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:43pm:


The individual doesn't make law, the individuals chosen to fill government positions in the legislature and courts make law. There is no such thing as a 'sovereign individual/citizen', sovereignty resides with government.

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Showing why "democracy is the worst form of government"; you simply can't refute any of the points made, and resort to your asinine comment above ("made no argument") - and you think you deserve a 'right' to vote....

Fact is 50%+1 of the people (not "we the people")  will decide in a 'democratic' election which laws are legislated.   The losers will have to wait until they can  try again at the next election, by which time the elected governement will have shown itself to be incompetent.

Modi (as did Obama a decade before)  actually had total control of Congress at the start of their reigns, but they failed to deliver for their supporters, hence lost support at the next election.  Repeat and rinse endlessly, politicians love it, and you blindly blame the government rather than the system which prevents governments from eliminating unemployment, improving public services, and ensuring housing for all. Sunak will get his just deserts soon, and the French are forced to choose the fool Macron again. 

Losers.

thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 12:39pm:

tgd :'SCOTUS actually ruled that only people who were attached to "militias" had the right to bear arms ...so much for 'sovereign citizens'.

Where does any sovereign citizen claim the ideology through the 2nd Amend? Now you contradict your first statement.

However, China's government repeats nonsense to make it more factual.  No sanity, just repetition.

So crossing out the comment that you contradict yourself proves you don't contradict?

'All the current pro-gun, delusional 'sovereign citizen' ideologues in the US claim it'.
Where? You feel that saying anything becomes fact because you say it?  That's seriously insane.

People under the constitution by definiton are not sovereign citizens. Where do sovereign citizens claim their right due to the 2nd Amend? Why do you contradict youself and say the 2nd Amend doesn't give that right?