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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34231 Gender:	Re: The IDF Deliberately Kills More Children Reply #15 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:37pm freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2024 at 11:51am: The UN also put Iran in charge of the Women's Rights Commission. laughable
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74189 Gender:	Re: The IDF Deliberately Kills More Children Reply #16 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:42pm Quote: the hostages are important to the idf and correctly They are important in that they have been notanazis excuse for killing tens of thousands of women and children. If he came away at the end of this without having rescued any hostages, he'd be crucified.
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Reply #17 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

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the hostages are important to the idf and correctly

They are important in that they have been notanazis excuse for killing tens of thousands of women and children. If he came away at the end of this without having rescued any hostages, he'd be crucified.

"Israeli forces rescued four hostages from central Gaza on Saturday. They had been held since the Hamas October 7 attack on Israel. More than 200 Palestinians died during the accompanying air assault."

Insanity.

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Reply #18 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:55pm

I don't believe the number killed which was released by Hamas. We have heard fake numbers before. Remember the al-Ahli Arab Hospital "bombing" which supposedly killed hundreds of women and children? Well, first it wasn't an IDF missile, but a misfired Islamic Jihad missile and days and weeks after the incident the numbers came down substantially.

As for this rescue, good. Citizenship has meaning in Israel. The state and military are doing exactly what should be done when it comes to liberating its citizens. The most important and sacred task of any nation is the defence of its own people.

I'm sure some civilians died. I don't believe the 200+ number from Hamas. How did they get that number so soon after the raid? Plucked it out of thin air just like they plucked the al-Ahli Arab Hospital number out of thin air.

Did these civilians not know these hostages were being held in their buildings? I reckon they did. This makes them accomplices and therefore they are legitimate collateral damage caught up in a gun fight.

Here is an idea: if Hamas or the civilians where the hostages are being held don't like these kinds of raids happening, release the hostages. Pretty simple.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136150 Gender:	Re: The IDF Deliberately Kills More Children Reply #19 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:59pm "To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians". Mission "accomplished"?
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Reply #20 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

"Two hospitals in Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital and al-Awda hospital, said they had counted 70 bodies between them, while Hamas's government media office said at least 210 people had been killed in Israeli strikes in and around the al-Nuseirat refugee camp.

"Israel estimated there were fewer than 100 casualties, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said."

One dead innocent civilian is one too many.

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Reply #21 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

"Two hospitals in Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital and al-Awda hospital, said they had counted 70 bodies between them, while Hamas's government media office said at least 210 people had been killed in Israeli strikes in and around the al-Nuseirat refugee camp.

"Israel estimated there were fewer than 100 casualties, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said."

One dead innocent civilian is one too many.

There were Israeli hostages being held in those apartment complexes. Those civilians would have known that. They accepted the risk of remaining in those buildings.

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Reply #22 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:07pm

MattE wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

"Two hospitals in Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital and al-Awda hospital, said they had counted 70 bodies between them, while Hamas's government media office said at least 210 people had been killed in Israeli strikes in and around the al-Nuseirat refugee camp.

"Israel estimated there were fewer than 100 casualties, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said."

One dead innocent civilian is one too many.

There were Israeli hostages being held in those apartment complexes. Those civilians would have known that. They accepted the risk of remaining in those buildings.

You have proof of this?

And, do you have the address of somewhere else they could have stayed?

"To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians".
Roll Eyes

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Reply #23 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

MattE wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

"Two hospitals in Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital and al-Awda hospital, said they had counted 70 bodies between them, while Hamas's government media office said at least 210 people had been killed in Israeli strikes in and around the al-Nuseirat refugee camp.

"Israel estimated there were fewer than 100 casualties, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said."

One dead innocent civilian is one too many.

There were Israeli hostages being held in those apartment complexes. Those civilians would have known that. They accepted the risk of remaining in those buildings.

You have proof of this?

And, do you have the address of somewhere else they could have stayed?

"To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians".
Roll Eyes

As if they didn't.

Those hostages would have been under Hamas guard. They would have been moved in and out.

As for where they could have gone, they could have gone to the Al Mawasi tent city for all I care.

Hamas can release the hostages which will make raids like this unnecessary.

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Reply #24 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:16pm

MattE wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:10pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:07pm:

MattE wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:02pm:

"Two hospitals in Gaza, al-Aqsa hospital and al-Awda hospital, said they had counted 70 bodies between them, while Hamas's government media office said at least 210 people had been killed in Israeli strikes in and around the al-Nuseirat refugee camp.

"Israel estimated there were fewer than 100 casualties, IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said."

One dead innocent civilian is one too many.

There were Israeli hostages being held in those apartment complexes. Those civilians would have known that. They accepted the risk of remaining in those buildings.

You have proof of this?

And, do you have the address of somewhere else they could have stayed?

"To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians".
Roll Eyes

As if they didn't.

White flag accepted.

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Reply #25 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:20pm

Not a white flag at all.

What you're saying is the Gazan civilians are unintelligent.

I live in an apartment and I don't think I would not notice suspicious stuff happening. Hamas fighters coming in and out, hostages coming in and out. The guarding of specific buildings, specific apartments within.

The Israelis knew exactly where they were, down to the specific apartments. You're saying the occupants of those buildings didn't know?

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34231 Gender:	Re: The IDF Deliberately Kills More Children Reply #26 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:22pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:59pm: "To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians". Mission "accomplished"? if they freed one hostage its a win the gazan body count is hamas responsibility why do they endanger their own people ?
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Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:27pm

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What you're saying is the Gazan civilians are unintelligent.

Let's assume for a second that they knew. (Doubtful but I'm going to humour you). These are displaced people who after 8 months of bombardment are struggling to find food, water and medical aids for themselves and their families . What would you suggest they do with that knowledge? Send smoke signals to the isrealis? Carrier pigeon? Or do you think they're a little preoccupied trying to survive?

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Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:38pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

"To free four people, Israel killed dozens of innocent civilians".

Mission "accomplished"? Undecided

the gazan body count is hamas responsibility

Incorrect (as usual).

It is the IDF who are slaughtering innocent babies, women, and children.

You are a terrorist sympathiser.

(And a rapist sympathiser, a felon sympathiser, adulterer sympathiser ...)

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Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:38pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

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What you're saying is the Gazan civilians are unintelligent.

Let's assume for a second that they knew. (Doubtful but I'm going to humour you). These are displaced people who after 8 months of bombardment are struggling to find food, water and medical aids for themselves and their families . What would you suggest they do with that knowledge? Send smoke signals to the isrealis? Carrier pigeon? Or do you think they're a little preoccupied trying to survive?

They were living inside untouched apartment buildings. Not all buildings have been destroyed in Gaza.

How is it the Israelis knew which specific buildings and specific apartments each of the hostages were in, yet the people living in them had no idea? I don't believe it.

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