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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #15 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:59pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

Now I get it. They signed up to a 2030 deadline. So in 2024 they announced they could get nuclear reactors built in 5 years. It's not their fault if no-one believes them.

Nuclear generators could be built within a few years, if there was a committment to such power generators.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #16 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

Mr potato Head will never learn. A large reason the teals decimated the libs in the last election was due to their inaction on climate change. Mr Potato Head won't even win his seat if this is the route he chooses.

Mr Potato Head was not the reason behind the last federal election defeat of the coalition. Scott "Smuggo" Morrison was. If we did not see the sociopathy of Scott Morrison in his prime ministerialship, the Liberals would have won the last election. Nobody gives a damn about the bs climate change initiatives. They give a damn, though, if the politicians are acting like dickheads. Albo would be feeling the pressure of losing the next election.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #17 - Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:04pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

So you don't want to say which energy provider didn't cost for batteries when deciding to invest in nuclear or renewable .

It is your claim that everyone knows. Your claim, your proof. Wink

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

It must be a secret they only shared with you.

No, You are the one saying everyone knows, therefore you must know. Roll Eyes

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #18 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 9:35am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

Of course it's unachievable, for the coalition. They don't want to achieve it. They have just been lying to voters for the last 20 years claiming to take climate change seriously.

If they figure out a way to make car emissions down to zero, you could see 45% carbon emission drop. Otherwise, it seems near impossible for this emissions reduction to take place inside 6 years.

Do you mean like electric vehicles dickhead???

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #19 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 9:39am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

Now I get it. They signed up to a 2030 deadline. So in 2024 they announced they could get nuclear reactors built in 5 years. It's not their fault if no-one believes them.

Nuclear generators could be built within a few years, if there was a committment to such power generators.

Do you have a link to support this claim....Australia needs to lift the ban on nuclear energy before any planning or construction can begin....Were do you get your timeline that supports your bullshit???

Huh

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #20 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 9:46am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:59pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:57am:

Now I get it. They signed up to a 2030 deadline. So in 2024 they announced they could get nuclear reactors built in 5 years. It's not their fault if no-one believes them.

Nuclear generators could be built within a few years, if there was a committment to such power generators.

If they approached it with religious zeal perhaps. But not a modern religion. I am thinking something aztec with a lot of corpses lying around. Also lots of money. Pretty much all of it. This seems to be the coalition's approach. Leave everything to the last minute, do a few backflips, then try to ruin the economy doing what they promised they would in the most expensive and dangerous way possible, then do another backflip and just break their promises.

Meanwhile we have investors with billions of dollars available to put into our energy future who are holding back because the government is doing a headless chook routine.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9926 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #21 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:21pm Interesting. Newspoll has the two major parties at 50-50 in the latest poll and Dutton gaining on Albo as Preferred PM. Perhaps the Coalition has figured out that anything that gets Chris Bowen on TV more often boosts the Coalition vote?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58171 Here Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #22 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 12:27pm Quote: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target It would be news if they didn't. there is no surprise here at all.
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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #23 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:18pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 10:52am:

Mr potato Head will never learn. A large reason the teals decimated the libs in the last election was due to their inaction on climate change. Mr Potato Head won't even win his seat if this is the route he chooses.

Mr Potato Head was not the reason behind the last federal election defeat of the coalition. Scott "Smuggo" Morrison was. If we did not see the sociopathy of Scott Morrison in his prime ministerialship, the Liberals would have won the last election. Nobody gives a damn about the bs climate change initiatives. They give a damn, though, if the politicians are acting like dickheads. Albo would be feeling the pressure of losing the next election.

It was the libs ignoring global warming that got the teals in, regardless of who was leader, it was the libs policies. Continuing to ignore global warming could very well see Mr potato head lose his seat

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #24 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:19pm

lee wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 7:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

So you don't want to say which energy provider didn't cost for batteries when deciding to invest in nuclear or renewable .

It is your claim that everyone knows. Your claim, your proof. Wink

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

It must be a secret they only shared with you.

No, You are the one saying everyone knows, therefore you must know. Roll Eyes

Not surprisingly you run from your argument Grin

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17330 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #25 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:28pm John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:19pm: Not surprisingly you run from your argument Not surprisingly you can't back up your assertion. It was your argument. "Everyone knows"
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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #26 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm

lee wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:19pm:

Not surprisingly you run from your argument

Not surprisingly you can't back up your assertion. It was your argument. Grin

"Everyone knows" Grin

What assertion? I asked you if you thought the energy providers didn't consider the costs of batteries. There's nothing asserted, it's asking you for your opinion. That you ran away from a straight answer can only be because you don't even believe your crappy excuses.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #27 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

What assertion?

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John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 5:52pm:

Everyone else, including those in the energy industry, disagrees with you.

So tell me who these "everyones" are. You must have the information, you are so sure you are right. But just don't want to commit. Grin

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

There's nothing asserted, it's asking you for your opinion.

My opinion is that it will cost vastly more than Lazard's calculations of how many hours of storage are needed. Wink

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 5:34pm:

That you ran away from a straight answer can only be because you don't even believe your crappy excuses.

You are the one saying that the energy companies have done the sums. Show them.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

So you don't want to say which energy provider didn't cost for batteries when deciding to invest in nuclear or renewable . It must be a secret they only shared with you. I understand. We won't tell anyone

So the secret is you don't know. Thanks for that.

Well there is this I found -

"Federal energy minister Chris Bowen said on Friday that his department is preparing to launch the first CIS tender for WA’s wholeslae energy market (WEM) in June, with an indicative target of 500MW of four-hour equivalent (2 GWh) “clean dispatchable capacity.” "

https://reneweconomy.com.au/bowen-takes-capacity-tender-out-west-in-search-of-2g...

500MW of 4 hour equivalent is 5 times larger that Lazard's equivalent. Hornsdale battery at 100MW cost about $100million dollars and WA is only a small proportion of the National figure.

Of course feel free to supply better figures on how little it will cost. Wink

"Australian government seeks to deliver 4.2 GWh of battery energy storage"

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"ARENA said with a total project value of about $1.8 billion and a combined capacity of 2.0 GW/4.2 GWh the projects represent a ten-fold increase in grid-forming electricity storage capacity currently operational in the NEM."
https://www.pv-magazine.com/2022/12/19/australian-government-seeks-to-deliver-4-...

That's 400 times larger.

I haven't seen any figures of needed storage from any energy suppliers.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44744 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #28 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 6:31pm Oh, no!! Thicko Smiff is trying to argue facts with Lee!! Come on thicko, keep showing off just how amazingly stupid you are. Keep at it, bozo, there are a coupla garlic flavoured concrete cannolis in it for ya. Atta boy! 🤣🤣🤣
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Reply #29 - Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:17pm

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So tell me who these "everyones" are

Every energy supply company. Absolutely none are investing in nuclear.

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My opinion is that it will cost vastly more than Lazard's calculations of how many hours of storage

You should contact all the energy companies and tell them they are all wrong. That only you have the correct costings. There's no reason why they shouldn't get a laugh too

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