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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #45 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:34pm

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:37pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:18pm:

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Oh, no!! Thicko Smiff is trying to argue facts with Lee!!

Lee doesn't do facts Roll Eyes

Do YOU, thick as innumerable planks, do YOU?

Provide them.

Sure
Fact 1. Frank is as dumb as dogshit

Over to you dumbarse Cheesy

Yeah, scuttle little cockroach. Run, run, run.

who's running? You asked for a fact, I gave you one.

Can you show one energy supplier that hasn't included the costs of batteries when deciding which energy method to invest in?

Do you really think those companies are as stupid as you or lee?

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #46 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:37pm

lee wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:18pm:

That they didn't invest in nuclear says it all

The fact that nuclear, is at the moment, illegal, makes your claim as silly as you. Roll Eyes

Since when has that stopped them? Marijuana was illegal too at one stage, didn't stop companies lobbying govts to make it legal. Who is lobbying for nuclear to become legal? If nuclear was cheaper you'd have every energy supplier and their dog petitioning govt, not just mr potatoe head and those in the nuclear industry with a vested interest Cheesy

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #47 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:39pm

lee wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2024 at 8:18pm:

You don't need their costings. That they didn't invest in nuclear says it all.

You were the one carrying on about their costings for batteries. Give us the figures and stop changing the argument. Roll Eyes

All I asked was did you believe energy supplier didn't account for the costs of batteries when deciding where to invest their money? You ran away from an answer

Unlike you, I've never made claims about the actual costs and whether they are right or wrong. Cheesy

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #48 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

All I asked was did you believe energy supplier didn't account for the costs of batteries when deciding where to invest their money?

That was your claim. Something which you haven't backed up. So tell us more about the energy companies not doing nuclear.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

So you don't want to say which energy provider didn't cost for batteries when deciding to invest in nuclear or renewable .

To "invest in nuclear or renewable". Grin

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #49 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:43pm

lee wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

All I asked was did you believe energy supplier didn't account for the costs of batteries when deciding where to invest their money?

That was your claim.

It's not a claim dumbarse, it's a question. One you keep running from. Why is that ?

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Reply #50 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:44pm

lee wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:10pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 6:39pm:

All I asked was did you believe energy supplier didn't account for the costs of batteries when deciding where to invest their money?

That was your claim. Something which you haven't backed up. So tell us more about the energy companies not doing nuclear.

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

So you don't want to say which energy provider didn't cost for batteries when deciding to invest in nuclear or renewable .

To "invest in nuclear or renewable". Grin

When 'deciding' to invest, you dumbarse.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #51 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

A victory for common sense. The climate scam is beginning to unravel.

So if climate change is a scam, why do you think it is common sense to abandon coal fired power for a more expensive and more dangerous option?

You have to fairly creative to project any kind of common sense onto coalition policy.

Very good point. Nobody has demonstrated it scientifically, only politically.
Anthopogenic Climate Change is a crock of nonsense. Clean air, water are good aims. CO2 is not a pollutant, so there's the hoof, characterizing plant food as a 'pollution'.

Climate is not changing because of humans. Humans ARE part of nature. AGW is based on some weird quasi-religious notion that humans are APART or BEYOND nature, manipulating it from outside.

Ridiculous.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24621 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #52 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:08pm The radio journalist today has said that Australia has achieved a 29 of the 43% percent climate target. I would say that getting that last 14 of the 43% is not out of the question.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17330 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #53 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:09pm John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:44pm: When 'deciding' to invest, you dumbarse. But they couldn't decide to invest in nuclear. So what were the comparisons? Renewables vs Renewables?
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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #54 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 9:38pm

Frank wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:05pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 3:33pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 1:00pm:

A victory for common sense. The climate scam is beginning to unravel.

So if climate change is a scam, why do you think it is common sense to abandon coal fired power for a more expensive and more dangerous option?

You have to fairly creative to project any kind of common sense onto coalition policy.

Very good point. Nobody has demonstrated it scientifically, only politically.
Anthopogenic Climate Change is a crock of nonsense. Clean air, water are good aims. CO2 is not a pollutant, so there's the hoof, characterizing plant food as a 'pollution'.

Climate is not changing because of humans. Humans ARE part of nature. AGW is based on some weird quasi-religious notion that humans are APART or BEYOND nature, manipulating it from outside.

Ridiculous.

I think you missed the point entirely. The coalition policy is "common sense" only if you believe in climate change as well as wasting huge sums of money.

Bottom line: the coalition lies. You don't know which promises they are going to keep. Just that it will be bad for the economy and the environment.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #55 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 10:15pm lee wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:09pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 7:44pm: When 'deciding' to invest, you dumbarse. But they couldn't decide to invest in nuclear. So what were the comparisons? Renewables vs Renewables? Still running away from an answer I see. To be expected.
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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #56 - Jun 11^th, 2024 at 10:28pm

Australia's she'll be right attitude is like Putting Homer Simpson in charge of a nuclear plant. The outcome would be the same. There probably isn't a culture in the world less suited to this discipline.

In the end not even Japan could do it right and their culture and discipline would be a near perfect fit.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #57 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:20am

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2024 at 6:13pm:

Do you think the boards of every electricity supplier in the country didn't weight up the cost of batteries when deciding where they'd invest in nuclear or alternatives ?

Dutton has proven himself a bigger liar than his predecesor could ever aspire to be.

He KNOWS now - as he's ALWAYS known -
any hypothetical government of his will NEVER unveil a nuclear power plant in 2045
(the first possible completion date of the first nuclear power plant), or at any later date.

If he has any skill in anything, it's in
political "dog whistling"

In this case to placate - and curry favour with - the
fossil fuel lobby
, the
anti-renewable energy lobby
- and the broader
climate change denial lobby
.
(You'll find each group well represented in these forums)

He has
no intention of taking Australia out of the Paris Agreement
- to sign and ratify the Middle East (Iran, Libya and Yemen) Agreement.

Once the targets agreed to are slashed - the entire Paris Agreement becomes null and void.

In a media interview, today, Dutton declared there would be
no change to Paris Agreement targets
till AFTER the next Federal Election.

So, there IS no policy - just another blast of hot air.

Not that this is any reason for concern.

Over the last decade, the Liberal Party has put up a new Climate Change and Energy Policy averaging a new one once every five and a half months.

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Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target
Reply #58 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 8:39am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 11^th, 2024 at 8:08pm:

The radio journalist today has said that Australia has achieved a 29 of the 43% percent climate target. I would say that getting that last 14 of the 43% is not out of the question.

That's positive news. I'll have to research more into it.

Funny what can happen when the adults are in charge.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83842 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Coalition To Dump Australia's Climate Target Reply #59 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:50am 29% of 43% = 14.8% of the total.
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