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Jun 10^th, 2024 at 7:24am

First projection for new European parliament published
A first estimate for the whole parliament, based on 11 member states’ estimates, has been published.

Centre-right European People’s party: 181

Socialists and Democrats: 135

Renew: 82

European Conservatives and Reformists: 71

Far-right Identity and Democracy: 62

Greens: 53

The Left: 34

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Reply #3 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:52am

The term “right-wing” is used chiefly as an insult for anyone who stands against the groupthink of received liberal opinion.

The attitude was that anyone who defied the liberal consensus on anything wasn’t just wrong but positively evil and beyond the pale. Now, however, millions of Europeans have voted for “hard-right populists”. So are all these millions also beyond the pale? Yes, say the liberals, and the reason is that evil right-wing people have manipulated them because the public are credulous and stupid. Apparently. One is reminded of the line in Bertolt Brecht’s satirical poem about the East German uprising of 1953 that the government should “dissolve the people and elect another”. It never occurs to the liberal establishment that the problem might be them.

What the “populists” have in common, and what is bringing them to power, is that they represent a revolt against a homogeneous political establishment that ignores, scorns or punishes eminently reasonable, and indeed necessary, concerns. This establishment has turned immigration and the related issue of Islamisation into a taboo. Anyone who opposes mass, uncontrolled immigration and the rapid growth of a minority of which a significant proportion want to Islamise western society is anathematised as a racist or Islamophobe.

Yet it’s reasonable to cherish a culture that you recognise as home, that upholds values you hold dear and that you share with others. It’s reasonable to want this not to be taken away by politicians who have never asked if you wanted your culture and nation to be transformed. It’s reasonable to want your borders to be controlled and the rates of mass and uncontrolled immigration to be scaled back. It’s reasonable to object to being denounced as a bigot or Islamophobe if you want any of these things. The liberal establishment, however, refuses to attend to these concerns and instead terms them unreasonable and “deplorable”. That’s what has fuelled this “populist” surge.

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Reply #4 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:08am

Frank wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

The term “right-wing” is used chiefly as an insult for anyone who stands against the groupthink of received liberal opinion.

The attitude was that anyone who defied the liberal consensus on anything wasn’t just wrong but positively evil and beyond the pale. Now, however, millions of Europeans have voted for “hard-right populists”. So are all these millions also beyond the pale? Yes, say the liberals, and the reason is that evil right-wing people have manipulated them because the public are credulous and stupid. Apparently. One is reminded of the line in Bertolt Brecht’s satirical poem about the East German uprising of 1953 that the government should “dissolve the people and elect another”. It never occurs to the liberal establishment that the problem might be them.

What the “populists” have in common, and what is bringing them to power, is that they represent a revolt against a homogeneous political establishment that ignores, scorns or punishes eminently reasonable, and indeed necessary, concerns. This establishment has turned immigration and the related issue of Islamisation into a taboo. Anyone who opposes mass, uncontrolled immigration and the rapid growth of a minority of which a significant proportion want to Islamise western society is anathematised as a racist or Islamophobe.

Yet it’s reasonable to cherish a culture that you recognise as home, that upholds values you hold dear and that you share with others. It’s reasonable to want this not to be taken away by politicians who have never asked if you wanted your culture and nation to be transformed. It’s reasonable to want your borders to be controlled and the rates of mass and uncontrolled immigration to be scaled back. It’s reasonable to object to being denounced as a bigot or Islamophobe if you want any of these things. The liberal establishment, however, refuses to attend to these concerns and instead terms them unreasonable and “deplorable”. That’s what has fuelled this “populist” surge.

Melanie Phillips

Exactly. This is the inevitable backlash from the majority who have had enough of seeing the fabric of their society destroyed by the so called 'progressives' and their totalitarian demands for unquestioning obedience.

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Reply #5 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 5:38pm

End of an era.

So it may be la fin d'un ère in more than a Macronian sense. De Gaulle's Fifth Republic was designed to straitjacket French politics into a narrow range of alternating bland left-of-centre/right-of-centre choices. Instead, under the dinky boy, the French centre has utterly imploded. In the village I chance to know best ...(on a seventy-four per cent turnout) forty-seven per cent voted for the "far right" and another twenty-six per cent for the hard left; that doesn't leave a lot for the so-called "mainstream" parties.

What will the next week bring? The French establishment is urging "unity" against the Rassemblement National, the elites being so oblivious they think it's still 2002 when Chirac faced off against Marine's dad and the masses could be cajoled to "vote for the crook not the fascist". Mme Le Pen is not her father, and Macron is loathed by two-thirds of the electorate on a scale unknown to the merely conventionally sleazy Chirac. Legions of leftie youth, meanwhile, reacted to last night's results in the traditional manner - doing their bit to "save democracy" by smashing up cellphone shops:

That'll put a dent in some storefronts, but not in Mme Le Pen's vote. The difference between now and 2002 is the much more widespread sense that France itself is unravelling - twelve-year-old girls are kidnapped and gang-raped; Mohamed Amra and the assassination team that sprang him from prison are still at large; a few hours before polling stations opened, "gang" members shot up a wedding in Lorraine, killing one man and wounding a pregnant woman.. Scenes of French cities aflame will not do anything to diminish the rationale for the Rassemblement National. Au contraire...

Still, how Round Two will go is a tough call because nothing like it has happened before. The Fifth Republic's voting system was created to ensure the first round eliminated all but Tweedleleft and Tweedleright. Instead, the high turnout has resulted in a record number of soi-disant "triangulaires" - constituencies in which a third-placed party (in this case Macron's) did well enough to qualify for the runoff. In 2017, there was just one "triangulaire"; in 2022, there were eight; on Sunday there will be over three hundred. In the coming days, there will be a lot of horse-trading between the "centre" and the "left" to reduce the variables. However, down at street level, there are enough lefties who'd rather vote for Le Pen than Macron, and a few centrists who'd rather vote for Le Pen than Mélenchon.

Conversely, the system is supposed to make it difficult to win outright in the first round. Yet Mme Le Pen and some thirty-six of her colleagues did so. For purposes of comparison, at the dawn of the Macron era, in 2017, RN eventually won eight seats in the National Assembly. Last night they won five times as many on the first ballot.

So something is approaching critical mass. On the current numbers, the "far right" would likely fall just a handful shy of a majority (289 seats) in the new parliament. Could the next seven days put them over the finish line? Certainly - especially if the most visible signs of the "united" resistance are the despised globalist tinpot and the anarchist youth. Nevertheless, a more cautious person might bet on Mme Le Pen coming up just a wee bit short - if only because all the forces of the French elites are determined to stop her.

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Similarly, I am worried about what swifty the Dems are going to pull THIS TIME in the US.

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Reply #6 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:15pm

I don't see consideration of control over immigration as being 'right' as such - it is just as 'left' being socialist for its own people and in a sense, for the world at large .... and who is to be considered first and foremost? Socialism for the world or socialism for one's own first?

Only the deep thinking theorists imagine that 'socialism for the world' is the answer.... we see them here all the time.... not a single viable thought in their mind about the actual impact and realities of what they claim to imagine they espouse..... and never an answer on HOW exactly this 'socialism' will create the best world....

With a world population approaching 8 billion................... and accelerating away ............ please explain?

Now then - every country MUST regain and retain control over its immigration - starting with mass immigration - then immigration of any kind from certain regions and belief regions that do not fit ... finally the axe is starting to settle in the breast of every European country - about what they have done and allowed to be done to them... and how dangerous they have made their own world inside their national boundaries.

Which of these will survive a collapse of economic factors worldwide, as is inevitable given the accelerating away world population and the increasing demands on resources? Which of these will survive the mass extinction events of disease outbreaks etc? Consider these in the context of current population numbers....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diseases_from_Space

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics_and_pandemics

How many will NOT have their village gutters and roads lined with corpses of starved and/or diseased victims? How many will not be beset by maruauding gangs such as in The Last Valley?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Valley_(film)

Is this what WE want? If you were to ask me, I would say abandon the cities to their fate.... but shut them off from us so they can't invade us with all their illegal guns etc and their criminal ways.... who will survive the city disasters? Those with the guns and the least morality.......... the criminals who will ride over or kill others to get their way... and Howard has rendered us all incapable of self-defence ....

We must wall in the cities against the future disasters... student climbs on QANTAS plane for India - dies...... as in.... WTF???

Footnote:- Hey, Smith! messra!! Sacka! That's just me being crazy or racist or a victim, eh? Don't come crying to me when your world collapses in on you..... you've done your dash with me.... I only have time for the living... not you mentally dead already...

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Reply #7 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:33am

Frank wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

The term “right-wing” is used chiefly as an insult for anyone who stands against the groupthink of received liberal opinion.

The attitude was that anyone who defied the liberal consensus on anything wasn’t just wrong but positively evil and beyond the pale. Now, however, millions of Europeans have voted for “hard-right populists”. So are all these millions also beyond the pale? Yes, say the liberals, and the reason is that evil right-wing people have manipulated them because the public are credulous and stupid. Apparently. One is reminded of the line in Bertolt Brecht’s satirical poem about the East German uprising of 1953 that the government should “dissolve the people and elect another”. It never occurs to the liberal establishment that the problem might be them.

What the “populists” have in common, and what is bringing them to power, is that they represent a revolt against a homogeneous political establishment that ignores, scorns or punishes eminently reasonable, and indeed necessary, concerns. This establishment has turned immigration and the related issue of Islamisation into a taboo. Anyone who opposes mass, uncontrolled immigration and the rapid growth of a minority of which a significant proportion want to Islamise western society is anathematised as a racist or Islamophobe.

Yet it’s reasonable to cherish a culture that you recognise as home, that upholds values you hold dear and that you share with others. It’s reasonable to want this not to be taken away by politicians who have never asked if you wanted your culture and nation to be transformed. It’s reasonable to want your borders to be controlled and the rates of mass and uncontrolled immigration to be scaled back. It’s reasonable to object to being denounced as a bigot or Islamophobe if you want any of these things. The liberal establishment, however, refuses to attend to these concerns and instead terms them unreasonable and “deplorable”. That’s what has fuelled this “populist” surge.

Melanie Phillips

Home? You hate everything our jolly country stands for, dear boy. Our people, our culture, our rule of law.

Ever thought of going back to where you come from?

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Reply #8 - Sep 30^th, 2024 at 9:07pm

Freedom Party triumphed in Austria’s election. Voters support Herbert Kickl’s goal of turning the country into ‘Fortress Austria’ after a decade of mass immigration.

In 2015 Austria was third behind Hungary and Sweden in terms of per capita asylum applications, and resentment has been steadily growing ever since. Immigration and insecurity were at the heart of the election. The Freedom Party claimed that the ruling centre-right People’s Party have ‘not secured our borders, but have degraded our police force to a kind of “welcoming committee” for illegal immigrants.’

An estimated 240,000 illegal immigrants have arrived in Austria since the People’s party won the 2020 election. This is despite the extensive publicity campaign launched by the government in 2022 to deter immigrants. Among the adverts broadcast on social media was one which read: ‘Illegal Migration: You will fail’. Another boasted ‘There’s no getting through’.

Like a growing number of centrist governments in Europe, the People’s party were punished for their failure to fulfil their promise to police their borders.

This issue has come to dominate European politics like no other, and parties ignore voters’ anger at their peril. Rishi Sunak paid the price for his inability to curb mass immigration (as will Keir Starmer in time) and Emmanuel Macron and Olaf Scholz have seen their authority ebb away in the last two years because they sat on their hands while their borders were breached.

Europe is now confronted with a fresh refugee and migrant crisis in the Middle East. This time around no European leader will copy Angela Merkel in issuing an open invitation but there will surely be a marked increase in the number of people arriving illegally either through the Balkans or across the Mediterranean.

When Merkel opened up Europe in August 2015 she did so with a cry of ‘we can do this’. History has proved her hopelessly wrong. Europe will have to follow Austria’s example and turn itself into a fortress. If it doesn’t, the continent may in time go the same way as Lebanon.
https://www.spectator.com.au/2024/09/what-will-happen-to-europe-if-it-cant-contr...

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Reply #10 - Oct 4^th, 2024 at 5:23pm

~DIVERSITY STABBING OF THE DAY: Meanwhile, in the biggest and most unreported story of our time, life death goes on:

Un jeune homme poignardé à mort par un Algérien à la sortie d'une discothèque en Normandie

Un jeune homme de 17 ans a été poignardé à mort, ce dimanche, alors qu'il quittait une boîte de nuit à Subles (Calvados), près de Bayeux. Selon les informations de Frontières, le suspect, Nasser Bekaddour, 24 ans, est de nationalité algérienne. Il a été interpellé et placé en garde à vue.

The alleged perp is an Algerian migrant, Nasser Bekaddour; his victim is Kylian Binard, a seventeen-year-old Normandy boxing champ who was fatally stabbed in the back and throat. M Binard didn't realise that, for the likes of Mr Bekaddour, there are no Queensberry Rules on the streets of France.

Subles is five kilometers from Bayeux, home of the Bayeux Tapestry, a near contemporaneous depiction of the Norman conquest of England in 1066. Is anyone working on a new Bayeux Tapestry depicting the ongoing conquest of France? There's no shortage of potential panels: Nasser Bekaddour is "Algerian", but last week it was a "Moroccan" migrant, who raped and murdered a nineteen-year-old. In Essen, Germany, a day of stabbings, fires and attempted vehicular homicide that left thirty injured was the work of a "Syrian" migrant. You get the feeling that, despite all the vibrant diversity of passports, there might be something that all these chappies have in common - if only someone in the evasive and dissembling media could summon up the courage to talk about it.
Steyn

And
This Thursday, October 3, a fire ravaged part of the Romanesque church of Saint-Hilaire-le-Grand in Poitiers

.This fire is unfortunately not an isolated case, as Boulevard Voltaire points out . For several months, places of worship in Poitiers have been regularly targeted. On June 9, the abbey church of Saint-Jean-de-Montierneuf was desecrated, while the church of Sainte-Thérèse suffered the start of a fire in May. Investigations into these cases have not yet been successful, but the criminal origin has been confirmed.

The recurrence of these events worries the local population. Still according to Boulevard Voltaire , an Internet user asked X: " It's strange all the same, all these cases of fires in religious buildings and especially Christian ones ."
https://www.frontieresmedia.fr/societe/eglise-incendiee-a-poitiers-ouverture-dun...

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Reply #11 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:17am

Nederlander police clamp down on nasties:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/several-people-detained-after-pro-palestini...

"A protest in support of Palestine has ended in chaos after several people were arrested following a string of football violence in Amsterdam.

Protesters were arrested in the Dutch capital after taking part in a pro-Palestine protest as city authorities had banned all demonstrations, according to a local broadcaster.

It comes after ugly scenes across Amsterdam saw violence targeting fans of an Israeli football club and footage showing Israeli football fans chanting anti-Arab slogans.

Five people were taken to hospital and 62 were arrested on Thursday night after violence following a football match in Amsterdam between Maccabi Tel Aviv and Ajax.

The city’s mayor Femke Halsema said there were ‘scooter hit-and-runs’ involved in the attacks which have been condemned as anti-Semitic.

She banned all demonstrations over the weekend following the string of violence on Thursday and Friday targeting Maccabi Tel Aviv fans.

Ahead of the match, Maccabi fans ripped a Palestinian flag off a building in Amsterdam and chanted anti-Arab slogans while on their way to the stadium, the AP news agency reports.

Maccabi fans also reportedly started fights.

Isolated Maccabi fans were reportedly attacked on the street. Footage shows one man crouching on the ground and pleading ‘I’ll give you money, please go’ while another person standing over him shouts ‘free Palestine, you want to kill kids?’

Ajax fans were left angered when Maccabi Tel Aviv supporters disrupted a minute’s silence held in memory of the Valencia flood victims.

On Sunday, police detained one man during a protest in Dam Square.

Protesters were heard yelling slogans such as ‘free Palestine’ and ‘Amsterdam says no to genocide.’

Around 20 people were detained, the AP reports citing local broadcaster AT5.

Amsterdam Municipality said on X that police had started arresting demonstrators who refused to leave the square.

Protest organisers tried to secure an injunction to allow the demonstration.

However, the judge upheld the ban issued by the authorities.

All protests have now been banned until next Thursday, Sky News reports.

Now an investigation has launched after reports that gangs of youth attacked Maccabi fans following alleged calls on social media to target Jewish people."

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Reply #12 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:26am

Meanwhile in Occupied Britain:-

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/pro-palestine-zealots-caught-training-acti...

"Pro-Palestine activists are training "cells" of protesters to "disrupt, damage and destroy" Israel-linked targets across the UK.

Palestine Action, the group behind a litany of vandalistic stunts up and down the country, is running several "direct action training days" in a bid to bring Britons together to "bring down Israel".

The training days run from today until December 8, and are based in Birmingham, Manchester, Leeds, Glasgow and Edinburgh.

The group says the sessions hope to "bring together like-minded people for a day of talks, trainings and group discussions" in a bid to whip up support for its cause.

As part of the training, activists hoping to get together and form protest groups are told to organise in groups of "three to five" trusted people, use burner phones, carry out reconnaissance undercover and pay with cash for sledgehammers.

Palestine Action's training manual says: "Once you've got your cell together, come up with a name... This can be named after a Palestinian freedom fighter, a play on taking action against the war machine, or anything else that's appropriate."

Then, would-be protesters are told to "head to our website to find a list of secondary and primary targets who enable and profit from the Israeli weapons industry in Britain".

When scouting for locations, Palestine Action says activists should take care to stay under the radar.

"If it's in the middle of town centre, then going for a walk with a friend or by yourself and pulling out a camera to look at the site doesn't look suspicious at all," the group says.

"However, if you're going out in the sticks walking around an industrial estate with a selfie stick - you'll probably stand out a bit.

"On going for sites in more rural areas, try asking to borrow someone's dog to take them on a walk (or walk your own dog if you've got one).

"Dream up crazy ideas in your cell... Remember that your action is to disrupt, damage or destroy your target."

The group advises protesters to use similar techniques to those seen at sites across the UK over the last 13 months: daubing buildings with paint, breaking into off-limits areas and smashing up targets with hammers.

While its list of targets directs activists to Israel-linked defence and logistics firms in the UK, including Elbit Systems, Teledyne and Rafael/Pearson Engineering.

But staff at said firms are furious - one contractor with Elbit told The Times: "Engineers who are going into work every day in sites around the country are being called baby killers and spat at by these activists.

"It's disgraceful. Many of these people are just engineers trying to go to work, do their jobs and earn a living."

While the Community Security Trust, a charity which provides safety to Britain's Jewish community, told the newspaper: "Palestine Action is an extremist organisation that uses violence and intimidation in pursuit of its political goals.

"There has been a clear escalation in its methods and targeting over the past year, including violence and the use of weapons against people as well as destruction of property, and there is obviously a concern that this pattern will continue.

"While it is welcome that individual activists have been arrested and prosecuted, there is an urgent need for government and police to address the growing threat that this organisation poses as a whole."

GB News has approached Palestine Action for comment."

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Reply #13 - Nov 11^th, 2024 at 5:40am

.... there'll be no hordes over.... the White Cliffs of Dover ...

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/gun-wielding-iranian-dubbed-the-best-smuggl...

Gun-wielding Iranian dubbed ‘the best smuggler’ jailed after helping scores of migrants cross Channel

A man who organised cross-Channel small boat crossings from his home in Lancashire has been jailed for 17 years. Aman Hasan Zada, 34, was found guilty of people smuggling charges after an investigation by the National Crime Agency (NCA)."

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Right Wing Gets Chance to Form Government in Austria Months After Winning Election

VIENNA (AP) – Austrian right-wing leader Herbert Kickl said Tuesday in his first comments after being tasked to form a new government that he aspires to “govern Austria honestly” as he prepared for talks on a potential coalition with conservatives who criticized him sharply in the past.

Kickl's Freedom Party’s poll ratings have risen since the election as its rivals struggled and failed to find common ground. Surveys published in December put its support at between 35% and 37%.

The Austrian People´s Party came in second with 26.3% and the center-left Social Democrats, post-war Austria’s other traditional big party, were third with 21.1%.

The Freedom Party is part of a right-wing alliance in the European Parliament, Patriots for Europe, which includes the parties of Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, La Pan's National Rally in France and of the Netherlands´ Geert Wilders, whose party dominates the Netherlands´ new government.

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