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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41844	Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:10pm Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced over charges of entering terrorist-controlled region
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Reply #1 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced over charges of entering terrorist-controlled region Cool

What a typically deceptive, Bbwiyawnesque ABC headline!

Raad received no conviction and was discharged conditionally, meaning she needs to display good behaviour for the next 25 months.

During closing arguments, Raad's lawyer Rose Khalilizadeh told the court that at the time of the offending Raad was a "vulnerable woman in a relationship of coercive control" who was "conditioned to not question her husband's decision making".

Isn't EVERY Islamist marriage like that?
Er... yes.

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Reply #2 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 1:38pm

Frank wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced over charges of entering terrorist-controlled region Cool

What a typically deceptive, Bbwiyawnesque ABC headline!

Raad received no conviction and was discharged conditionally, meaning she needs to display good behaviour for the next 25 months.

During closing arguments, Raad's lawyer Rose Khalilizadeh told the court that at the time of the offending Raad was a "vulnerable woman in a relationship of coercive control" who was "conditioned to not question her husband's decision making".

Isn't EVERY Islamist marriage like that?
Er... yes.

No, I’ve lived in a number of Muslim households and husband and wives talking things over and reaching consensus was not unknown; however in this case I’d believe that she had no say.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced Reply #3 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 2:07pm Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 1:38pm: however in this case I’d believe that she had no say. Why, what was going to happen to her had she refused to go to Syria? Would she have been murdered in an honor killing here at home by other muslims?
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Reply #4 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:17pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1718176240/0#0 date=1718176240]
What a typically deceptive, Bbwiyawnesque ABC headline!

Raad received no conviction and was discharged conditionally, meaning she needs to display good behaviour for the next 25 months.

During closing arguments, Raad's lawyer Rose Khalilizadeh told the court that at the time of the offending Raad was a "vulnerable woman in a relationship of coercive control" who was "conditioned to not question her husband's decision making".

Isn't EVERY Islamist marriage like that?
Er... yes.

No, I’ve lived in a number of Muslim households and husband and wives talking things over and reaching consensus was not unknown; however in this case I’d believe that she had no say.

That's interesting - and very unusual. You've lived in a number of muslim households? Is that Arab or Asian muslims?

I worked for business muslims for 8 years. You could say I was on a steep learning curve ...

And I can tell you this, I didn't learn anything good about them. Most corrupt business I ever worked in. Probably the only corrupt one.

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Reply #5 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:35pm

I haven't live with any Muslims but I have known numerous ones. I've served with them, I've studied with them and I've worked with them. They were all good people and all lived normal lives with me and themselves. I don't doubt their may be some bad ones but I have yet to encounter any. Attempts to stereotype them all as bad are stupid and shallow. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #6 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:02pm

I don't understand why it is a crime to enter a combat area where Australia is not directly involved when the alleged perpetrator is a non-combatant.

It looks like a bogus law that couldn't be enforced.

If such a law could be enforced it would imply media personalities, priests, teachers, first responders, and medical personnel could not enter such proscribed areas.

Australia is compelled to pass laws that violate human rights.

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Reply #7 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:11pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

I haven't live with any Muslims but I have known numerous ones. I've served with them, I've studied with them and I've worked with them. They were all good people and all lived normal lives with me and themselves. I don't doubt their may be some bad ones but I have yet to encounter any. Attempts to stereotype them all as bad are stupid and shallow. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And so have I.

Who is attempting anything? I've stated the facts. That's my experience. I could write books about that place.

Does the truth hurt?

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Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced
Reply #8 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:40pm

Aquarius wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 3:35pm:

I haven't live with any Muslims but I have known numerous ones. I've served with them, I've studied with them and I've worked with them. They were all good people and all lived normal lives with me and themselves. I don't doubt their may be some bad ones but I have yet to encounter any. Attempts to stereotype them all as bad are stupid and shallow. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And so have I.

Who is attempting anything? I've stated the facts. That's my experience. I could write books about that place.

Does the truth hurt?

Depends on whether it is the truth or not. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:56pm

I have seen Brian Ross interact with Muslims on here. He is afraid to ask them about Islam, beyond giving them safe prompts to trot out the usual propaganda. It's like he went out of his way to get lied to. I wonder if Brian was locked in a room with a Nazi would he come out thinking the Nazi is just a normal person like Brian because they never discussed anything more substantial than what they had for breakfast. Or does he give himself permission to dislike Nazism in a way he does not allow for Islam.

His repeated position on this is entirely vacuous and meaningless.

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Reply #10 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:44pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

I have seen Brian Ross interact with Muslims on here. He is afraid to ask them about Islam, beyond giving them safe prompts to trot out the usual propaganda. It's like he went out of his way to get lied to. I wonder if Brian was locked in a room with a Nazi would he come out thinking the Nazi is just a normal person like Brian because they never discussed anything more substantial than what they had for breakfast. Or does he give himself permission to dislike Nazism in a way he does not allow for Islam.

His repeated position on this is entirely vacuous and meaningless.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Freediver you do like to lie, don't you? I have only interacted with one Muslim to my knowledge here, Gandalf and I have never fed him any "safe prompts". I have seen you deliberately antagonise people just to make up prompts, rather than honest discussion. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced
Reply #11 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

I have seen Brian Ross interact with Muslims on here. He is afraid to ask them about Islam, beyond giving them safe prompts to trot out the usual propaganda. It's like he went out of his way to get lied to. I wonder if Brian was locked in a room with a Nazi wonuld he come out thinking the Nazi is just a normal person like Brian because they never discussed anything more substantial than what they had for breakfast. Or does he give himself permission to dislike Nazism in a way he does not allow for Islam.

His repeated position on this is entirely vacuous and meaningless.

Islam's outlook, value system and aims are totally different to the values, outlook and directions of modern Western secular countries. Islam is fundamentally incompatible with and opposed to almost every aspect of Western culture. This is not surprising since Islam is where it has always been: a pre-modern outlook and ideology than has not gone through the transformative experiences of Western thought and values in the last 500 years, from Renaissance, Reformation, Deism, Scepticism, Scientific and idustrial revolution, secularization, liberal democracy, freedoms of speech, conscience, though, enquiry, religion, etc.

Anyone who says that Islam is compatible with Western values and outlook is either totally ignorant or is a bareface liar, most likely both.

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Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced
Reply #12 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

I have seen Brian Ross interact with Muslims on here. He is afraid to ask them about Islam, beyond giving them safe prompts to trot out the usual propaganda. It's like he went out of his way to get lied to. I wonder if Brian was locked in a room with a Nazi would he come out thinking the Nazi is just a normal person like Brian because they never discussed anything more substantial than what they had for breakfast. Or does he give himself permission to dislike Nazism in a way he does not allow for Islam.

His repeated position on this is entirely vacuous and meaningless.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Freediver you do like to lie, don't you? I have only interacted with one Muslim to my knowledge here, Gandalf and I have never fed him any "safe prompts". I have seen you deliberately antagonise people just to make up prompts, rather than honest discussion. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You were here for all the previous Muslims. You were sprouting the same crap the whole time, while running away from any real issues.

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Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced
Reply #13 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 10:18pm

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 9:18pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 6:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 4:56pm:

I have seen Brian Ross interact with Muslims on here. He is afraid to ask them about Islam, beyond giving them safe prompts to trot out the usual propaganda. It's like he went out of his way to get lied to. I wonder if Brian was locked in a room with a Nazi would he come out thinking the Nazi is just a normal person like Brian because they never discussed anything more substantial than what they had for breakfast. Or does he give himself permission to dislike Nazism in a way he does not allow for Islam.

His repeated position on this is entirely vacuous and meaningless.

Oh, dearie, dearie me, Freediver you do like to lie, don't you? I have only interacted with one Muslim to my knowledge here, Gandalf and I have never fed him any "safe prompts". I have seen you deliberately antagonise people just to make up prompts, rather than honest discussion. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You were here for all the previous Muslims. You were sprouting the same crap the whole time, while running away from any real issues.

Really? Post some examples then, Freediver 'cause I have no memory of them. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced Reply #14 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 10:57pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 5:10pm: Returned ISIS wife Mariam Raad sentenced over charges of entering terrorist-controlled region Not much of a sentence - no conviction and free to go home
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