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Re: Norton
Reply #60 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

I guess I do not understand what you mean.

There are many different types of files on your computer.
The simplest are data files such as photos and videos.
You can alter those but the computer will still run.

Operating system files are different -
if they are altered it can stop you computer from working.
Some of those are able to be used by programs but others
should be locked away and unalterable except by a Windows update but they are not.

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

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Reply #61 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

I guess I do not understand what you mean.

There are many different types of files on your computer.
The simplest are data files such as photos and videos.
You can alter those but the computer will still run.

Operating system files are different -
if they are altered it can stop you computer from working.
Some of those are able to be used by programs but others
should be locked away and unalterable except by a Windows update but they are not.

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

They don't own Norton.

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Reply #62 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:02pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:49pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

I guess I do not understand what you mean.

There are many different types of files on your computer.
The simplest are data files such as photos and videos.
You can alter those but the computer will still run.

Operating system files are different -
if they are altered it can stop you computer from working.
Some of those are able to be used by programs but others
should be locked away and unalterable except by a Windows update but they are not.

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

They don't own Norton.

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 102565 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Norton Reply #63 - Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:14pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:02pm: Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies? You tell me and we'll both know.
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Reply #64 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:27am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

You tell me and we'll both know. Embarrassed

NO

They have their own now but they cannot limit competition by stopping the existing antivirus companies. That would be anti-competitive. They have learned.

The anti-Virus companies now are just money hungry as their market dries up. They offer little value but fear keeps people buying their stuff. They were an important solution to a problem for many years.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24530 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Norton Reply #65 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:49am The ones working to make these antivirus program updates are usually the ones writing the viruses in the first place. One big scam.
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Reply #67 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:47am

Chat GPT says:

There’s nothing inherently wrong with using Windows 10, but there are a few reasons why you might want to consider upgrading to a newer version:

End of Support: The current version of Windows 10 will be the last, and Microsoft will continue to release monthly security updates for all Windows 10 editions until it reaches end of support on Oct. 14, 20251. After that date, without security updates, your PC could become more vulnerable to various security risks.

New Features: Windows 11, the tech giant’s latest operating system, was rolled out in October 2021, and deployed to all eligible devices in May 20221. It introduced new design elements and added a handful of new features and productivity tools.

Common Issues: Windows 10 users have reported issues with design inconsistencies, buggy updates, and telemetry/data collection2. There are also common problems with booting, upgrading, privacy protection, storage management, and fixing a stuck Windows 10 update.

Failed Initiatives: Some features and applications like Cortana, Windows 10 S, and Edge didn’t meet their intended uses and are being reimagined and remade.

Remember, it’s always important to keep your operating system up-to-date for the best performance and security. If you’re experiencing specific issues with Windows 10, there are resources available to help you troubleshoot and fix them.

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Reply #68 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:38am

Super Nova wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 2:44am:

Bobby, if you are worried about security, why do you still run W10?

I'm not really worried I am just wondering about it as to why you even need an anti-virus application?

As for Win11 - I refer you to Whirlpool and a 606 page thread:

1st page:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/9kpyyvj2

606th page:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/9kpyyvj2?p=606

For Win10 I refer you to this 834 page thread:

1st page:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/3j0l4p63

834th page:
https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/thread/3j0l4p63?p=834

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Reply #70 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 9:42am

Super Nova wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

You tell me and we'll both know. Embarrassed

NO

Microsoft, the tech giant, recently made a significant move in the cybersecurity industry by acquiring an antivirus company for a whopping $263 million. This strategic acquisition demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to enhancing its cybersecurity capabilities and protecting its customers from evolving threats in the digital landscape.

The antivirus company, with its cutting-edge technology and expertise in malware detection and prevention, will now become a part of Microsoft's portfolio.

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Reply #71 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 10:30am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:49am:

The ones working to make these antivirus program updates are usually the ones writing the viruses in the first place. One big scam.

I'm not one to readily believe in conspiracies but to be honest I've often thought about that being true.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

One only has to look at the endless and mostly pointless updates to Windows and especially web browsers these days.

Here's a perfect example.

Have a look at the 3 'sticky' threads for Chrome, Edge and Firefox.

It seems like there's a nonstop 'competition' between Google with Chrome and Microsoft with Edge to see who can cram the most useless crap into a web browser (Edge seems to be leading so far, followed by Chrome... with Firefox in a distant third place).

And, I'm sure this also has a lot to do with 'job security'. If employees weren't keeping themselves busy with all of this mostly useless rubbish they would be out of a job.

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Reply #72 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:18pm

OK guys.

1. Microsoft Edge is based on Google Chrome. The underlying technology is Google's. MS gave up this race and the google technology is the standard now.
2. MS is adding to it mainly around adding chatGPT (I think it works well, saves me time finding out things and it can write excel formulas for me is what I mainly use it for)
3. Virus' exploit vulnerabilities are not only in the OS, but the software stacks that are not the OS and defects in application as well. It is not just the OS that may recreate an opportunity to be exploited.
4. That being said, Windows does not have application containers that will protect the system if an application is infected. Windows is a more traditional OS that supports everything from large backend servers, SQL databases and we use it as a desk top OS. Leaving aside Unix systems that make up most of the webservers on the web, windows is the most obvious place to write a virus since it is the most popular people use to access the internet. Great chance of success.

IMO keep your OS UpToDate as soon as an OS update is available and turn on MS Defender and that is enough to protect you without shelling out more cash for bloatware.

Now one thing that I now no-longer do, i do not install anything without verifying the integrity of the source.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16450 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Norton Reply #73 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:30pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 9:39am: UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:49am: The ones working to make these antivirus program updates are usually the ones writing the viruses in the first place. One big scam. Exactly. Cool story bro, why not indulge a conspiracy? Oh so fun.
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Reply #74 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 9:42am:

Super Nova wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 1:27am:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:14pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 8:02pm:

Does MS have any vested interest in anti-virus companies?

You tell me and we'll both know. Embarrassed

NO

Microsoft, the tech giant, recently made a significant move in the cybersecurity industry by acquiring an antivirus company for a whopping $263 million. This strategic acquisition demonstrates Microsoft's commitment to enhancing its cybersecurity capabilities and protecting its customers from evolving threats in the digital landscape.

The antivirus company, with its cutting-edge technology and expertise in malware detection and prevention, will now become a part of Microsoft's portfolio.

Ah, imagine them wanting to make their OS as secure as possible? I'm sure govts are some of their biggest customers and they want to keep that space.

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