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Daves2017 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1219 Gender:	Ukraine cannot win Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:17pm We should offer immigration to the families while supporting the rearguard. Get the woman and kids out of there. They will be valued new Australians.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106403 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #1 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:32pm No one can win this war. Even if Ukraine gave up the territory lost so far - what would Russia have gained? Look at Mariupol - it looks like Hiroshima - totally wrecked. https://ukraine.iom.int/stories/between-life-and-death-after-fleeing-mariupol-do...
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Reply #2 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:35pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:32pm:

No one can win this war.

Even if Ukraine gave up the territory lost so far -
what would Russia have gained?
Look at Mariupol - it looks like Hiroshima - totally wrecked.

https://ukraine.iom.int/stories/between-life-and-death-after-fleeing-mariupol-do...

https://ukraine.iom.int/sites/g/files/tmzbdl1861/files/styles/large/public/stori...

https://ukraine.iom.int/sites/g/files/tmzbdl1861/files/styles/large/public/stori...

Looks more like modern day Detroit. Hiroshima looks pretty good these days.

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Re: Ukraine cannot win
Reply #3 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:45pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:35pm:

Looks more like modern day Detroit. Hiroshima looks pretty good these days.

nah - even if Russia "wins" in will take them 30 years to rebuild the cities
and 100 years to clear all the unexploded shells and mines from the land.
Then they have soil poisoned by depleted Uranium.
Ukraine is a poisoned chalice.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #4 - Jun 12^th, 2024 at 11:39pm Daves2017 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:17pm: We should offer immigration to the families while supporting the rearguard. Get the woman and kids out of there. They will be valued new Australians. Nazis?
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11851 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #5 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 4:29am No, Ukrainians should get preference over Russians.
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Reply #6 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:45pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 10:35pm:

Looks more like modern day Detroit. Hiroshima looks pretty good these days.

nah - even if Russia "wins" in will take them 30 years to rebuild the cities
and 100 years to clear all the unexploded shells and mines from the land.
Then they have soil poisoned by depleted Uranium.
Ukraine is a poisoned chalice.

That is irrelevant to what I was responding. I am saying that Hiroshima looks pretty good in the year 2024. The year 2024 for Detroit still has that city looking like a war zone.

Check out Joe and Nic's Road Trip for videos of this couple going around various towns and cities and seeing the decay of various areas. That will give you some perspective.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #7 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 5:44pm chimera wrote on Jun 13^th, 2024 at 4:29am: No, Ukrainians should get preference over Russians. We should not be holding the citizens of either country accountable for the wars their politicians created.
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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11851 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #8 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 5:52pm I was just retorting to LTYC about 'nazis'.
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Reply #9 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 6:39pm

chimera wrote on Jun 13^th, 2024 at 5:52pm:

I was just retorting to LTYC about 'nazis'.

You said "No, Ukrainians should get preference over Russians". Not to be confused with "No Ukrainians should get preference over Russians".

My response is that we should not be discriminatory against either Russian or Ukrainian citizens over a war started by their respective governments.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11851 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #10 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 8:14pm My 'No' was replying to 'Nazis?'
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #11 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 9:09pm The post from you was that "No, Ukrainians should get preference over Russians". There was no mention of "Nazis". Please don't be disingenuous.
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Reply #12 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 9:15pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

We should offer immigration to the families while supporting the rearguard.

Get the woman and kids out of there.

They will be valued new Australians.

You badly underestimate the courage and determination of the Ukrainians. They don't want to leave, they want to stay and fight. Ukraine does not have to 'win', all Ukraine has to do is not lose. Russia's quick and decisive campaign has become a running sore that will bleed the country white.

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Reply #13 - Jun 13^th, 2024 at 9:19pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 13^th, 2024 at 9:15pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 9:17pm:

We should offer immigration to the families while supporting the rearguard.

Get the woman and kids out of there.

They will be valued new Australians.

You badly underestimate the courage and determination of the Ukrainians. They don't want to leave, they want to stay and fight. Ukraine does not have to 'win', all Ukraine has to do is not lose. Russia's quick and decisive campaign has become a running sore that will bleed the country white.

Ukrainians are shooting over their shoulders as they do a runner?

Belgarion is a fatansizer.

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chimera Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11851 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ukraine cannot win Reply #14 - Jun 14^th, 2024 at 2:19am Laugh till you cry wrote on Jun 12^th, 2024 at 11:39pm: Nazis? I was replying to 'Nazis?'
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