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Question: Will Convicted Felon Trump Skip The Debate?

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Reply #135 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 1:01pm
 

Biden is a liar - he told 9 whoppers in the debate.
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Reply #136 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 1:11pm
 
Check out all the Trump and Biden lies here:

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/fact-checking-the-cnn-presidential-d...


One example:


Biden on his record as commander-in-chief

Biden claimed that he is the only president this decade
“that doesn’t have any … troops dying anywhere in the world, like he did,” referring to Trump.


“Truth is, I’m the only president this century, that doesn’t have any, this decade, that doesn’t have any troops dying anywhere in the world, like he did,” Biden said.

Facts First: Biden is wrong. US service members have died abroad during his presidency, including 13 troops killed in a suicide bombing during the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Thirteen US service members — including 11 Marines, one Army special operations soldier, and one Navy corpsman — were killed in the suicide bombing at the Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul. Three US soldiers were also killed this year at a small US outpost in Jordan in a one-way drone attack launched by Iran-backed militants. And two US Navy SEALs died in January off the coast of Somalia while conducting a night-time seizure of lethal aid being transported from Iran to Yemen.

Other US service members have also died abroad in training incidents, including five US soldiers who died in a helicopter crash in the eastern Mediterranean Sea in November 2023 during a routine refueling mission, and eight US airmen who died in a CV-22 Osprey crash in November 2023 off the coast of Yakushima Island, Japan.
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Reply #137 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 1:18pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 5:39am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 4:53pm:
JC Denton wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 7:38am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:46pm:
JC Denton wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 3:24pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 3:05pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 2:59pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 2:50pm:
gavin newsome is polishing his shoes and selecting a tie

If he wins he will screw the US like he screwed California.



gavin is a very good orator and he has total self belief.
he is the lefts version of trump.

he is, however, from california and most other states HATE what that state stands for and think he is a failure and cali is a failed state.

i'd like to see newsom v de santis

trumpy is a great stand up comedian and a great troll and a polarising figure
but ron is a proven effective operator , a great orator and a uniting figure

trump is patton
ron is eisenhower



I know, right? Hollywood, Silicon Valley, agriculture, the EV and space industries, a total failed state.

Just think, they're competing with states like Idaho and Nebraska. Who does Gavin New-Scum think he's fooling?

Not Mr Trump, that's for sure. Scum by name, scum by nature, no?


california is two speed

has all those glitzy world leading industries (or investment capital traps depending on how cynical you are) you listed but for everyone not involved or attendant to them its increasingly a complete fooking dump

basically has a lot of the issues australia does except without the social safety net

not very good


Sure, but we've never heard you advocating the state taking over the means of production, dear.

California has better services than most think. Nice place too. I'd live there.


have you seen how many homeless people are there now?  it's a nice place if you're rich

somehow i think advocating for a centrally planned economy to fix that issue would be a bit of an overreaction (or create more problems than it would solve), hence why i haven't done that


I have. Homelessness is a sign of a booming economy.  High demand in a state's housing market leads to surplus homelessness. It shows that more people are moving to California than leaving. This is a hard economic fact in a market-driven superstructure.

I would, however, not advocate a policy of nationalizing Californian real estate. Instead, I would advocate a role for the state to provide public housing and rent controls.

This highlights the respective difference between two competing political-economic models: state capitalist socialism and social democracy.

The latter model has had success in US states such as New York, not to mention the post- war welfare states of the UK and a number of northern European countries.

California could indeed invest in more public housing and cap rent increases in cities with a need for essential services and workers to provide them. Along with New York, California has the highest number of billionaires per capita. California receives more investment and houses more wealth than other US states. Its wealthier citizhens have also expressed their desire to pay more tax.

Homelessness is not an intractable problem - unlike, for example, global warming. It has its causes - high interest rates, lack of affordable housing and the pull factor of the Californian weather, economy and lifestyle. It also has solutions.

I'm not sure about you, dear, but one presidential candidate has advocated locking the homeless up as vagrants. This is a high-cost solution, requiring the state to pay the $80,000-plus per annum prisons charge to feed, accommodate and secure each individual prisoner. It would cost less than a quarter of this fee to merely pay their rent, so this is hardly a sustainable solution to what appears to be a transitory problem, but do you know?

Nor is playing Culture Wars with the state of California, the second largest economy in America with more wealth and economic output than many European nations. California, with its research and investment climate, is likely to have an influence on our own lives, as we transition towards a sustainable energy future. Californian developments in solar and battery technology, not to mention its developments in Hi-Tech, IT and AI, etc, will have an impact upon us all, above and beyond its current housing shortage.

I think it's a smart move. You?



you can back rationalise anything when you are ideologically possessed  Grin Grin Grin


so i can say homelessness in gaza is a sign of a booming economy Grin Grin Grin

and you say trump tells porkies  Grin Grin Grin


No, dear, homelessness in Gaza is a sign of the Stalingrad solution you advocate.

California is a market economy not under siege. Homelessness there relates to housing supply

I would have thought this was bleedingly obvious, but then, only the ideologically possessed would advocate the decimation of a city with a population of two million.

You?
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Re: US Presidential Debate
Reply #138 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:46pm
 
Not mentioned in the debate -


Gaza -
14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs.
That equals 12.7 kilotons of bombs.
That's the same as the single bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.
That's only one type of bomb dropped on Gaza.
It's the equivalent of an atomic bomb dropped on a tiny area
and it's only one type of bomb they've dropped.
Israel prevented escape from Gaza and nuked the women and children.
That must be a war crime.

And who supplied those bombs?
Joe Biden.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212
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Reply #139 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:46pm:
Not mentioned in the debate -


Gaza -
14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs.
That equals 12.7 kilotons of bombs.
That's the same as the single bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.
That's only one type of bomb dropped on Gaza.
It's the equivalent of an atomic bomb dropped on a tiny area
and it's only one type of bomb they've dropped.
Israel prevented escape from Gaza and nuked the women and children.
That must be a war crime.

And who supplied those bombs?
Joe Biden.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212


Congress voted to supply those bombs, dear. Sleepy Joe's administration processed and delivered them.

And Aquascoot, "noble Alpha", pushed for them to be dropped. You?
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Re: US Presidential Debate
Reply #140 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:55pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:46pm:
Not mentioned in the debate -


Gaza -
14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs.
That equals 12.7 kilotons of bombs.
That's the same as the single bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.
That's only one type of bomb dropped on Gaza.
It's the equivalent of an atomic bomb dropped on a tiny area
and it's only one type of bomb they've dropped.
Israel prevented escape from Gaza and nuked the women and children.
That must be a war crime.

And who supplied those bombs?
Joe Biden.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212


Congress voted to supply those bombs, dear. Sleepy Joe's administration processed and delivered them.

And Aquascoot, "noble Alpha", pushed for them to be dropped. You?



Joe Biden is a war criminal who deserves to hang
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Reply #141 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:55pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 2:46pm:
Not mentioned in the debate -


Gaza -
14,000 of the MK-84 2,000-pound bombs.
That equals 12.7 kilotons of bombs.
That's the same as the single bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.
That's only one type of bomb dropped on Gaza.
It's the equivalent of an atomic bomb dropped on a tiny area
and it's only one type of bomb they've dropped.
Israel prevented escape from Gaza and nuked the women and children.
That must be a war crime.

And who supplied those bombs?
Joe Biden.


https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-808212


Congress voted to supply those bombs, dear. Sleepy Joe's administration processed and delivered them.

And Aquascoot, "noble Alpha", pushed for them to be dropped. You?



Joe Biden is a war criminal who deserves to hang


Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?
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Re: US Presidential Debate
Reply #142 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?
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Reply #143 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.
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Reply #144 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed
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Reply #145 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 6:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed


Hard question, is it?
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Reply #146 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 7:05pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 6:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed


Hard question, is it?


Bobby likes it hard.

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Reply #147 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:40pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 6:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed


Hard question, is it?



What question?

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Reply #148 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 11:41pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 8:40pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 6:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed


Hard question, is it?



What question?



What's the matter, cat got your tongue?
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Reply #149 - Jun 30th, 2024 at 11:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 7:05pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 6:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:23pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 4:18pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:07pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 30th, 2024 at 3:06pm:
Changed you mind on your first claim, have you?



Which claim?


Forgotten, have you?

Dear dear.



Stop wasting my time Karnal,

you used to be a brave soldier in Vietnam - look at you now.    Embarrassed


Hard question, is it?


Bobby likes it hard.



And that's okay. If Bobby's not capable of answering questions, we'll have to drill down.

It hurts us more than it hurts he, no?
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