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Question: Are you supportive of Nuclear power in Australia?

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Reply #105 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:08pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:54pm:


For the ABC to admit there was 'mixed support' means there is strong support indeed.  Wink
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #106 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:09pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:06pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:02pm:
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:54pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 7:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 7:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
... as noted above the majority of Australians favour nuclear power.
https://www.nuclearaustralia.org.au/australian-support-for-considering-nuclear-e...


Do you have a link to that actual poll from three years ago - the questions and results?

Note what they're reporting:

"The Australian Nuclear Association Inc (ANA) is encouraged by the latest polling out on Friday that shows a growing number of Australians support the consideration of a civilian nuclear power industry in Australia."

Support for the "consideration", not support for the construction and implementation of.

There's a huge difference.

It's just saying that - three years ago - there was strong support for thinking about the matter; and why wouldn't there be?

However, consideration is a long way from acceptance and then ultimately construction.

And that is what Dutton is putting on the table: let's think about nuclear -


No.

He's saying he's going to do it, if elected.


You are lying, despicable shhit.




You have an incredible capacity for simply tuning out anything you don;t want to accept. It's really quite phenomenal.

From the OP:

"Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations."


You are a stupid, semi literate blowhard with minimal intelligence and maximum agitation.


OP headline, from the abc:

Peter Dutton reveals seven sites for proposed nuclear power plants


propose
verb
past tense: proposed; past participle: proposed
1.
put forward (a plan or suggestion) for consideration by others.


If i were you, i would implement a tendency to think things all the way through before committing yourself to an openly stated opinion. You'd spare yourself such humiliation. Maybe you'd be in a better temper then?

The sites are proposed, fruitbat. The proposed sites.

He's promising to go nuclear. This is simply an announcement of the proposed sites.



I propose that you are a laughable, semi literate ^&%$wit of a frightbat.



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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #107 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:11pm
 
Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.
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Reply #108 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:14pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:11pm:
Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.


I'm starting to think that English isn't Frank's first language.

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Reply #109 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:16pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:11pm:
Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.



Is it a core promise or a non core promise?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #110 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 7:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 7:13pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 6:30pm:
Belgarion wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 4:52pm:
... as noted above the majority of Australians favour nuclear power.
https://www.nuclearaustralia.org.au/australian-support-for-considering-nuclear-e...


Do you have a link to that actual poll from three years ago - the questions and results?

Note what they're reporting:

"The Australian Nuclear Association Inc (ANA) is encouraged by the latest polling out on Friday that shows a growing number of Australians support the consideration of a civilian nuclear power industry in Australia."

Support for the "consideration", not support for the construction and implementation of.

There's a huge difference.

It's just saying that - three years ago - there was strong support for thinking about the matter; and why wouldn't there be?

However, consideration is a long way from acceptance and then ultimately construction.

And that is what Dutton is putting on the table: let's think about nuclear -


No.

He's saying he's going to do it, if elected.


You are lying, despicable shhit.



"Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations."


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Reply #111 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:20pm
 
Does Frank trust The conversation?:

"Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations."


https://theconversation.com/peter-dutton-has-promised-to-solve-our-energy-proble...
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #112 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:24pm
 
Every Australian deserves and should expect access to cheaper, cleaner and consistent electricity. But under Labor, this isn’t happening.



Right now, in households and businesses around the country, Labor’s expensive renewables-only approach is failing.



The Government is now talking about a 65 to 75 per cent emissions reduction target by 2035, but won’t release modelling and won’t tell us how much higher power prices will go up.



Power bills have already increased by up to $1,000 for many Australians, when they were promised a $275 cut. And Labor’s climate target of 43% emissions reduction by 2030 has become unachievable.



The Coalition believes Australia must have a balanced energy mix to deliver cheaper, cleaner and consistent 24/7 electricity. 90 per cent of baseload electricity, predominantly coal fired power stations, is coming to the end of life over the next decade.



Nuclear energy for Australia is an idea whose time has come.



Today, we are announcing that a future Federal Coalition Government will introduce zero-emissions nuclear energy in Australia, which has proven to get electricity prices and emissions down all over the world, to work in partnership with renewable energy and gas as part of a balanced energy mix.



And today, we announce seven locations, located at a power station that has closed or is scheduled to close, where we propose to build zero-emissions nuclear power plants:



Liddell Power Station, New South Wales
Mount Piper Power Station, New South Wales
Loy Yang Power Stations, Victoria
Tarong Power Station, Queensland
Callide Power Station, Queensland
Northern Power Station, South Australia (SMR only)
Muja Power Station, Western Australia (SMR only)


Each of these locations offer important technical attributes needed for a zero-emissions nuclear plant, including cooling water capacity and transmission infrastructure, that is, we can use the existing poles and wires, along with a local community which has a skilled workforce.



A key advantage of modern zero-emissions nuclear plants is they can be plugged into existing grids. This means they can effectively replace retired or retiring coal plants and avoid much of the new spending needed for Labor’s ‘renewables-only’ system, including new transmission poles and wires. All of which will be passed on in the form of higher bills.



Labor’s approach requires imposing 58 million solar panels, 3,500 new industrial wind turbines, and up to 28,000 kilometres of new transmission lines across the country. Energy experts have warned the cost of Labor’s rollout will be between $1.2 trillion and $1.5 trillion.



No country in the world relies solely on solar and wind as Labor is proposing. By contrast, there are 32 countries operating zero-emissions nuclear plants. Another 50 countries are looking to do so.



Of the world’s 20 largest economies, Australia is the only one not using nuclear energy, or moving towards using it.



Our plan will deliver a net-zero electricity grid by 2050 and a strong and resilient economy. It will set our country up for decades to come.



At the front of this next wave of growth will be those communities which host zero-emissions nuclear plants. Not only will local communities benefit from high paying, multi-generational jobs but communities will be empowered to maximise the benefits from hosting an asset of national importance by way of:



A multi-billion dollar facility guaranteeing high-paying jobs for generations to come;
An integrated economic development zone to attract manufacturing, value-add and high-tech industry; and
A regional deal unlocking investment in modern infrastructure, services and community priorities.


A Community Partnership will be formed in each host community, consisting of experienced local representatives, as the focal point for community engagement and to play an important role in planning the future of the region.



This community engagement process will occur alongside a comprehensive site study including detailed technical and economic assessments.



A Federal Coalition Government will initially develop two establishment projects using either small modular reactors or modern larger plants such as the AP1000 or APR1400. They will start producing electricity by 2035 (with small modular reactors) or 2037 (if modern larger plants are found to be the best option).



The Australian Government will own these assets, but form partnerships with experienced nuclear companies to build and operate them.



Australia is fast running out of energy. The way of life for everyday Australians and the cost of doing business in Australia is already in jeopardy and it is only going to get worse under Labor’s expensive all-eggs-in-one-basket ‘renewables-only’ policy.



We know the Prime Minister and his Government will mount the mother-of-all scare campaigns on zero-emissions nuclear energy.



But we believe Australians are up for this discussion and are open-minded about including zero-emissions nuclear technology as part of a balanced energy mix.



If you are serious about meeting our net zero by 2050 emissions commitments, then you must include zero-emission nuclear as part of your energy mix. Zero-emission nuclear power plants produce no air pollution or carbon emissions. For example, a 1.1 GW AP-1000 reactor cuts approximately seven million metric tonnes of CO2 emissions, equivalent to removing 1.5 million cars from the road.


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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #113 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:25pm
 
A zero-emissions nuclear power plant will be a national asset delivering cheaper, cleaner and consistent energy for 80 years. Getting started now on establishing a civil nuclear programme is the right decision for you, your children and your grandchildren.



From today, we will be speaking right across the country on the merits of our plan.



Our plan is bold, visionary and what Australians need to secure our energy and economic future.



19 June 2024

https://www.peterdutton.com.au/dutton-littleproud-obrien-media-release-australia...
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #114 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:26pm
 
Frank's gone into rage plagiarising now.

What fun!
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #115 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:27pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:25pm:
A zero-emissions nuclear power plant will be a national asset delivering cheaper, cleaner and consistent energy for 80 years. Getting started now on establishing a civil nuclear programme is the right decision for you, your children and your grandchildren.



From today, we will be speaking right across the country on the merits of our plan.



Our plan is bold, visionary and what Australians need to secure our energy and economic future.



19 June 2024

https://www.peterdutton.com.au/dutton-littleproud-obrien-media-release-australia...


What do you think this proves, fruitbat?

I'm fascinated.
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #116 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:36pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:26pm:
Frank's gone into rage plagiarising now.

What fun!

Plagiarizing what?
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #117 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:38pm
 
mothra wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:27pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:25pm:
A zero-emissions nuclear power plant will be a national asset delivering cheaper, cleaner and consistent energy for 80 years. Getting started now on establishing a civil nuclear programme is the right decision for you, your children and your grandchildren.



From today, we will be speaking right across the country on the merits of our plan.



Our plan is bold, visionary and what Australians need to secure our energy and economic future.



19 June 2024

https://www.peterdutton.com.au/dutton-littleproud-obrien-media-release-australia...


What do you think this proves, fruitbat?

I'm fascinated.


It proves what Dutton and Littleproud actually said.



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Reply #118 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:45pm
 
They don't know how much it will cost.
They don't own the sites.
The site owners don't want it.
The time frame 2036 is not achievable. Csiro say the earliest could be 2040.
The reactors they want to use don't work anywhere in the world.
They are planning to build 7 reactors at these 7 sites.
They are not legal in half the sites.


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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #119 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 10:18pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 9:45pm:
They don't know how much it will cost.
They don't own the sites.
The site owners don't want it.
The time frame 2036 is not achievable. Csiro say the earliest could be 2040.
The reactors they want to use don't work anywhere in the world.
They are planning to build 7 reactors at these 7 sites.
They are not legal in half the sites.



So let's look into it.
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