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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #165 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 5:28pm Quote: I suppose if you are charging using your home solar, it might be that much. Yeah, it's free if you do that. But you have to be home, or have a(nother) battery.
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Reply #166 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 5:35pm

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 5:10pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 5:07pm:

12.47 cents per kWhr

https://www.agl.com.au/content/dam/digital/agl/documents/terms-and-conditions/en...

That is if you have off peak meter. Many places have only 1 meter.

At that price it would be less than $5 for a full charge. [/quote]

Whatever -
if you have roof solar and you charge the EV car on the weekend during the day
and you travel less than say 250 km for the following week -
then it will cost $zero to charge the batteries.

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Reply #167 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 6:37pm

Did Chris Bowen lie when he said the reason why Canadian nuclear power is cheaper is due to $6 billion in state subsidies?

That $6 billion goes to a research facility, much like Lucas Heights in Australia. It doesn't produce electricity.

The power generators are required to operate profitably.

Why is Chris Bowen deliberately dishonest?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48814 At my desk.	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #168 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 6:45pm Quote: That $6 billion goes to a research facility No all of it. Also, the "research facility" in question produces electricity.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16319 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #169 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 7:10pm freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 6:45pm: Quote: That $6 billion goes to a research facility No all of it. Also, the "research facility" in question produces electricity. Would it be a good or bad thing if Lucas Heights produced electricity as part of it's radiological work?
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Reply #170 - Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 10:35pm

Setanta wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 7:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2024 at 6:45pm:

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That $6 billion goes to a research facility

No all of it. Also, the "research facility" in question produces electricity.

Would it be a good or bad thing if Lucas Heights produced electricity as part of it's radiological work?

Yes.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40475	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #171 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:19pm Coalition won't say how much nuclear power its plan will generate until after an election
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40475	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #172 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 2:24pm Biloela, Nanango residents react to Peter Dutton's nuclear power announcement
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Reply #173 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:05pm

In attacking the call to go nuclear, Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen referenced China, saying its carbon emissions would peak in 2025 and noting it was installing more renewable energy than any other nation.

It is true, China has a massive amount of wind and solar. By the end of last year its national installed capacity reached 52.4 per cent of total generation.

The only problem is, it so rarely generates. Look at the energy China consumes and the renewable numbers collapse. Wind covered 9 per cent and solar a miserly 3 per cent of China’s electricity consumption last year. By comparison, coal and gas have an installed capacity of 47 per cent of generation and delivered on 70 per cent of demand.

China has 1142 coal-fired power plants. Last year it was permitting new ones at a rate of two a week. There are 306 plants under construction or permitted for construction. This makes it highly unlikely its emissions are about to peak, no matter who claims it. Saying it does not make it so.

And what is China doing on nuclear? It has 55 nuclear power plants and 23 reactors are being built. It plans to build at least 150 more in the next 15 years. It had some costly early experiences but can now build a 1000-megawatt reactor in four years for $4.5bn.

China says it is building its grid around renewable energy. It isn’t. Maybe it is time to consider doing what China does.

Cris Uhlmann

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Reply #174 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:07pm

It's going to be difficult and expensive to find good staff for these reactors.

My bet is that they will have to hire people from overseas to
get the nuclear knowledge required.
They will have to live in the middle of nowhere -
far from good schools for their children and many other amenities such as:
hospitals, doctors, dentists, supermarkets, shopping centers and entertainment.
They will want megabucks to do that and drag their families along too.

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Reply #175 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:11pm

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:05pm:

In attacking the call to go nuclear, Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen referenced China, saying its carbon emissions would peak in 2025 and noting it was installing more renewable energy than any other nation.

It is true, China has a massive amount of wind and solar. By the end of last year its national installed capacity reached 52.4 per cent of total generation.

The only problem is, it so rarely generates. Look at the energy China consumes and the renewable numbers collapse. Wind covered 9 per cent and solar a miserly 3 per cent of China’s electricity consumption last year. By comparison, coal and gas have an installed capacity of 47 per cent of generation and delivered on 70 per cent of demand.

China has 1142 coal-fired power plants. Last year it was permitting new ones at a rate of two a week. There are 306 plants under construction or permitted for construction. This makes it highly unlikely its emissions are about to peak, no matter who claims it. Saying it does not make it so.

And what is China doing on nuclear? It has 55 nuclear power plants and 23 reactors are being built. It plans to build at least 150 more in the next 15 years. It had some costly early experiences but can now build a 1000-megawatt reactor in four years for $4.5bn.

China says it is building its grid around renewable energy. It isn’t. Maybe it is time to consider doing what China does.

Cris Uhlmann

link?

this is close:

https://insights.taylorenglish.com/post/102iw50/china-is-building-coal-fired-pow...

With 1,142 coal-fired power plants in operation as of July 2023, mainland China currently has a far greater number of coal-fired plants than any other country. India comes in a distant second with 282 coal-fired plants, and the U.S.is third with 210 plants

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Reply #176 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:07pm:

It's going to be difficult and expensive to find good staff for these reactors.

My bet is that they will have to hire people from overseas to
get the nuclear knowledge required.
They will have to live in the middle of nowhere -
far from good schools for their children and many other amenities such as:
hospitals, doctors, dentists, supermarkets, shopping centers and entertainment.
They will want megabucks to do that and drag their families along too.

While they are being built the future operators will be training overseas. In the US it is a 4 year course to become a reactor plant operator. We will need some overseas supervisors and operators initially however training our own will not be a problem. The plants will be built on the sites of old coal/gas plants, not in the middle of nowhere. Plenty of infrastructure already there.

Meanwhile, a reality check:

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Reply #177 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:19pm

Belgarion wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:16pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:07pm:

It's going to be difficult and expensive to find good staff for these reactors.

My bet is that they will have to hire people from overseas to
get the nuclear knowledge required.
They will have to live in the middle of nowhere -
far from good schools for their children and many other amenities such as:
hospitals, doctors, dentists, supermarkets, shopping centers and entertainment.
They will want megabucks to do that and drag their families along too.

While they are being built the future operators will be training overseas. In the US it is a 4 year course to become a reactor plant operator. We will need some overseas supervisors and operators initially however training our own will not be a problem. The plants will be built on the sites of old coal/gas plants, not in the middle of nowhere. Plenty of infrastructure already there.

Meanwhile, a reality check:

No - you should see the closed Hazelwood power station in Victoria -
the middle of nowhere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazelwood_Power_Station

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Reply #178 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:27pm

Engineers factor in Consequences of Failure with solar you're one big hailstorm away from the lights going out.

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The 'next big hailstorm' will destroy solar panels and the 'lights will go out'

Former ANSTO Chief Executive Dr Adi Paterson says the next “big hailstorm” will result in Australia losing “500 megawatts” of power.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton announced the Coalition’s nuclear policy last week, including the seven proposed sites for the nuclear reactors.

“My fear for the Sydney basin is what I call the big hailstorm,” Dr Paterson said.

“When the big hailstorm comes, and a big hailstorm will come in the next 20 years, we will lose 500 megawatts of power in the Sydney Basin which is keeping the lights on.

“That is AEMO’s plan.

“This hail will smash the panels on our roofs, and the lights will go out.”

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/the-next-big-hailstorm-will-destroy-solar-p...

8 minute interview with Dr Adi Paterson is worth watching he debunks AnAls bullshit while giving his thoughts on our nuclear direction

If you don't know what ANSTO is you could check his credibility on nuclear science- https://www.ansto.gov.au/

Big hailstorms will also damage turbine blades.

Hailstorms have already damaged numerous solar farms

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Reply #179 - Jun 23^rd, 2024 at 3:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2024 at 2:19pm:

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There is no issue with having nuclear power plants built, no matter the initial price tag in constructing them. Carbon free electricity. High electricity output. What is your solution? Put thousands of square kilometres of solar panels out in the desert?

And why not, Unsub? It would be a useful job for empty land... Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yeah, until a heavy hail storm goes by and knocks a consider number of panels out.

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Question: Are you supportive of Nuclear power in Australia?
Yes 13 (50.0%) No 10 (38.5%) Undecided 3 (11.5%) Total votes: 26 « Created by: Captain Nemo on: Jun 20^th, 2024 at 10:45pm »