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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #15 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:26pm:

MattE wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:25pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:23pm:

MattE wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

3. Australia will already have a site for nuclear waste. We will have it due to our nuclear submarines.

Where?

There will be a nuclear waste facility.

Where?

Victoria, Bobby's backyard, actually. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #16 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:32pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:26pm:

MattE wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

1. The nuclear power prohibition is legislated. Just like all legislation, it can be repealed. If Dutton were to win the election, he would have a mandate to remove the prohibition.

Not the state legislation.

New laws would be needed to remove the current ban on nuclear energy, enact safety regulations and waste disposal arrangements, and establish the financial arrangements for government ownership.

Those would be complicated pieces of legislation likely requiring years of consultation. But they also may struggle to get through the parliament. Even if the Coalition were to win a majority in the House of Representatives, it would need to defy two decades of history to win control of the Senate.

With the current Senate make-up, it is four shy of a majority even if it could count on right-wing crossbenchers, with Labor and the Greens implacably opposed.

Then there is the question of state laws — Queensland, NSW and Victoria all have state bans on nuclear power which would also need to be overturned, and so far no major party leader in any state has given Mr Dutton's plan public support.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40421	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #17 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:36pm Nuclear proposal rejected by premiers, who say Dutton has no power to lift state nuclear bans
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #18 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

Nuclear proposal rejected by premiers, who say Dutton has no power to lift state nuclear bans Shocked

State's Rights Forever!! A state may make treaties with its own people, make its own laws to imprison the majority under threat of dire punishment to enforce land enclosures, may divide its citizens into classes of citizens, exclude some from professions and such at whim.... etc .... sounds like Nazi Germany.... now you see the very real danger of any State unchallenged by the will of the people in xa proper democratic process .... true government comes from an informed mandate of the people, not from the barrel of some politician's gut ....

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 100683 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #19 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:41pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:36pm: Nuclear proposal rejected by premiers, who say Dutton has no power to lift state nuclear bans We need a constitutional lawyer. Can the Federal Govt confiscate land to make it Commonwealth land?
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MattE Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 203 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #20 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:09pm ...
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MattE Full Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 203 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #21 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:12pm Chris Kenny put together a brilliant documentary a little while back on Sky News called "Going Nuclear". He unpacked it in detail. Worth watching: .
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #22 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:31pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 3:42pm:

Peter Dutton reveals seven sites for proposed nuclear power plants

Peter Dutton has announced he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.

Mr Dutton has promised the first sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.

As had been previously flagged, the stations are all on retiring or retired coal sites.

The seven sites are:

Tarong in Queensland, north-west of Brisbane

Callide in Queensland, west of Gladstone

Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley

Mount Piper in NSW, near Lithgow

Port Augusta in SA

Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley

Muja in WA, near Collie

What happened to the 5 year plan that Lee and the other cheerleaders were insisting was easy to achieve?

The coalition is making it up as they go along.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 82754 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #23 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:35pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:36pm: Nuclear proposal rejected by premiers, who say Dutton has no power to lift state nuclear bans Well - he is in the Opposition...... wait until he's let loose.....
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Reply #24 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm

Pt Augusta is not a bad site. Make it big enough it could supply some of the power Vic & NSW need. If it blew up, meh, just a few small towns around, Pt Pirie, Pt Aug, Whyalla.

Need to put it on tectonically stable land—craton which exists around ‘Pordagudda.” Should also be high enough to be out of reach of a tsunami (see how bad a place Japan was for nuclear?

But we should have started on this like 40 years ago—Bob Hawke and Paul Keating squibbed it, Howard had a twitch thinking about it. So no nuclear until like 2064.

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Reply #25 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:52pm

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The RIC Report

The nuclear necessity

9 May 2023

In 1951, the Experimental Breeder reactor in Idaho became the first nuclear reactor to generate electricity. Commercial nuclear power plants followed later in the 1950s.

Nuclear in numbers
1. 437: the number of reactors in the world today. 90% were built in the 1970s & 80s. 60 new reactors are under construction, 100 are planned, and old reactors are being
refurbished for 80 years or more of total lifetime use.1 2

2. >50%: the nuclear share of emissions-free electricity in the US. Nuclear power is
25% of global carbon-free power and 10% of global electricity overall.3 4
3. 60: gigatons of CO2emissions avoided in the past 50 years due to nuclear power.5

93%: average “uptime” for nuclear plants. It’s 35% for wind and 25% for solar.7

22¢/kWh: electricity cost in France (>70% nuclear); in Germany, 40¢ (0%).

In the US, it’s 14¢/kWh in South Carolina (56% nuclear)

or 27¢ in California (10%).9

$122/MWh: average cost to build & generate nuclear power on an “all-in” basis; wind plus battery storage costs $291/MWh, solar plus batteries $413 (Exhibit 20).

Where supplies come from
Uranium is an abundant resource with some estimates suggesting that the Earth’s crust contains 35 trillion tons. Two-thirds of uranium production today comes from
Kazakhstan, Canada, and Australia. 35% of US uranium is imported from Kazakhstan with another 14% from Russia. Canada (15%) and Australia (14%) are the other main US
suppliers. Australia has 1.7 million tons of reserves, accounting for almost 30% of known
uranium deposits (Exhibit 8).

2.Cost
Industry research suggests that, after accounting for efficiency, storage needs, the cost of transmission, and other broad system costs, nuclear power plants are one of the least expensive sources of energy.

Longevity: nuclear power plants can last anywhere from 40 to 100 years with proper maintenance while solar panels and wind farms are replaced after 20-30 years. A solar farm may need to be replaced as many as five times during the
operable life of a nuclear plant.

https://advisoranalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/bofa-the-ric-report-the-nu...

The US data shows 14 cents Kwh for nuclear power which is less than half of what we're paying.

Bill Gates is a big supporter of nuclear power
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In the US both sides of politics proudly support it.

Bill Gates: "Of all the climate work I'm doing the one that has the most bipartisan energy behind it is actually nuclear".

https://x.com/ShackelWill/status/1802587211248111810

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Belgarion Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5395 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #26 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:57pm Excellent choices! These are the sites of existing power stations so the distribution infrastructure is already in place. No need for kilometers of unnecessary wiring polluting the landscape, and no need for the environmental vandalism of solar and wind factories.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40421	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #27 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:59pm The Coalition's nuclear power plan misses one key component: the cost
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #28 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:00pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:42pm:

Pt Augusta is not a bad site. Make it big enough it could supply some of the power Vic & NSW

Need to put it on tectonically stable land—craton which exists around ‘Pordagudda.” Should also be high enough to be out of reach of a tsunami (see how bad a place Japan was for nuclear?

Australia is low risk for earthquakes the problem area near us is NZ to PNG up to the Asian ring of fire.

The back up generators in Japan were flooded from Tsunami because they were put in the basement. If you were considering possible Tsunami then putting back up generators in basement was a serious design flaw.

Chernobyl was a safety drill stuff up or human error.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18049 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #29 - Jun 19^th, 2024 at 6:01pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:59pm: The Coalition's nuclear power plan misses one key component: the cost The Americans say it's cheaper than coal,gas solar and wind. Read this and educate yourself https://advisoranalyst.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/bofa-the-ric-report-the-nu...
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