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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #285 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:38pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

You're all debating the wrong thing.

This is not an argument against Nuclear, or at least it shouldn't be.

The problem is Dutton's plan.

The Nats are against renewables. The Coalition won't accept climate change (although now want to trust scientists when it comes to nuclear all of a suggen) and their mining benefactors want more coal and especially gas forced into the market.

He's even trying to pretend to care about climate change and carbon emissions to try and win back the teals, but all he's doing is being more attractive to the cookers, the one constituency they have left to tap, nobody else is interested.

The only way to keep all of them happy is to pretend to push ahead with Nuclear, relying on SMRs that haven't been proven yet, at sites that aren't suitable for full-scale Nuclear reactors if SMRs fall through while trying to stifle investment into renewables to slow down their innovation and cost reductions to make the more expensive nuclear option seem relatively more affordable, while locking us into more reliance on gas that we have to pay more for than the countries we export it to.

That's it.

That's what this plan is.

You can talk about pregnant scientists all you like, but that's not what the issue is.

It's a scam, hence zero detail until after we're meant to vote on it.

What 'detail' to you want exactly? While I'm sure Dutton and co. would drop nuclear in a second if it became politically expedient to do so, they have announced lifting the ban and proposed sites for seven nuclear power stations. That's about all that can be done at the moment. No detail can be worked out until the ban is lifted. When it is the nuclear industry can make its proposals and the detail worked out.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #287 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:39pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

You're all debating the wrong thing.

This is not an argument against Nuclear, or at least it shouldn't be.

The problem is Dutton's plan.

The Nats are against renewables. The Coalition won't accept climate change (although now want to trust scientists when it comes to nuclear all of a suggen) and their mining benefactors want more coal and especially gas forced into the market.

He's even trying to pretend to care about climate change and carbon emissions to try and win back the teals, but all he's doing is being more attractive to the cookers, the one constituency they have left to tap, nobody else is interested.

The only way to keep all of them happy is to pretend to push ahead with Nuclear, relying on SMRs that haven't been proven yet, at sites that aren't suitable for full-scale Nuclear reactors if SMRs fall through while trying to stifle investment into renewables to slow down their innovation and cost reductions to make the more expensive nuclear option seem relatively more affordable, while locking us into more reliance on gas that we have to pay more for than the countries we export it to.

That's it.

That's what this plan is.

You can talk about pregnant scientists all you like, but that's not what the issue is.

It's a scam, hence zero detail until after we're meant to vote on it.

So what you're saying is the thing the Coalition and Atoms have in common is that they make up everything?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #288 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:03pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

Will it still be safe in 100,000 years?

Will there be an earth in 100,000 years? Will there be humans or human derivatives?

You don't get the point, do you?

You had a point? Grin

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 73267 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #289 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:33pm Quote: What 'detail' to you want exactly? If they're arguing it'd going to be cheaper than renewables (which they are), those details are absolutely necessary to their cause. You can't just say it's cheaper, trust me. Especially when lying is in a righties DNA
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #290 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:34pm

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

Will it still be safe in 100,000 years?

Will there be an earth in 100,000 years? Will there be humans or human derivatives?

You don't get the point, do you?

You had a point? Grin

I think his point is that you are pointless.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16831 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #291 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:34pm: I think his point is that you are pointless. The problem is you don't think.
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #292 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:16pm

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

Will it still be safe in 100,000 years?

Will there be an earth in 100,000 years? Will there be humans or human derivatives?

You don't get the point, do you?

You had a point? Grin

How long do you think that storage system will be safe for?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #293 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:25pm

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:16pm:

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:04pm:

lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 4:21pm:

Will it still be safe in 100,000 years?

Will there be an earth in 100,000 years? Will there be humans or human derivatives?

You don't get the point, do you?

You had a point? Grin

How long do you think that storage system will be safe for?

Perhaps it should put it back in the Uranium mine they dug it out of? Was it safe there? Is it safer once depleted of U235? Just asking...

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 42596 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #294 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:27pm lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:34pm: I think his point is that you are pointless. The problem is you don't think. Thicko Smitho don't think, that's ghetto. He know. https://x.com/ClownWorld_/status/1805350912195707060
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 73267 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #295 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:29pm lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:51pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 6:34pm: I think his point is that you are pointless. The problem is you don't think. As if you're capable of even noticing
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16831 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #296 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:35pm John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:29pm: As if you're capable of even noticing Unfortunately for you I did notice.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 73267 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #297 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:37pm lee wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:35pm: John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:29pm: As if you're capable of even noticing Unfortunately for you I did notice. We just agreed you're incapable dumbarse.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16831 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #298 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:40pm John Smith wrote on Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:37pm: We just agreed you're incapable dumbarse. No petal. You not "we". Just shows the depths to which you sink.
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #299 - Jun 25^th, 2024 at 7:42pm

Peter Dutton’s announcement that the Coalition will build seven nuclear reactors on the sites of existing coal-fired power stations is good policy and it will work. In response, the Albanese government has nothing but lame memes and a $1.3 trillion renewables policy that shows no signs of providing reliable, affordable electricity for industry or consumers.

Indeed, under Albo’s watch, Australia is in the worst shape it’s ever been, considering the cost-of-living crisis is an own-goal by Albo and Minister for Climate Change and Energy Chris Bowen. Even the much-maligned RMIT ABC Fact Check is now saying that Bowen’s claims about nuclear plants are ‘exaggerated’.

Labor is scared because it knows its ideologically driven energy policy is a grifter’s paradise that has nothing to do with providing cheap and reliable energy.

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