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Reply #375 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:20pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2024 at 6:28pm:

A windmill is a windmill.
It will never be a blast furnace.

A windmill and a wind turbine are different in structure and purpose, even though many people use the terms interchangeably.

A windmill is a very old technology that uses the wind to either mill grains into flour, drive machines, or move water.

A wind turbine converts wind energy into electricity by turning a turbine.

I can't recall WHO - if ANYONE - ever claimed that EITHER of our community owned turbines is/was or tried to be a "blast furnace" ?

We own substancial shares in Hepburn Energy (wind turbines)

... and a roof covered in solar panels - with 3-way insulation (ceilings, walls and floors) and double glazing, a heat pump hot water service, HP washing machine, HP clothes dryer - plus "smart" appliances where possible, throughout the rest of the house
Plus, the addition of a new Jeep EV - though we've held on to the diesel Mitsubishi Utility, for occasional long trips and work around "Billabongyille"
Our electricity bills are sometimes in the red, sometimes in the black, hovering around ZERO.

We are the "lifters" in cutting carbon gas output - supporting a lot of "leaners" - aside from all the money saved (no water bills, either)

So, when anyone from the pro fossil-fuel lobby, the pro-nuclear lobby, the anti-renewable lobby - and climate-change deniers, in general - tell me it cannot be done, I know I don't even need to respond - in the knowledge

we're having the last laugh.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/Vf8xGa_sMiYAAAAC/lol-laugh-out-loud.gif

... at THEIR expense

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Well, you are not making steel, concrete, aluminium, you do not mine minerals, you are not running trucks, trains and airlines and shipping. You are not building houses, roads, railways, airports, bridges, factories.

But you congratulate yourself - and THAT is the main thing.

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Reply #376 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:41pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:41pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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Indonesia? Undecided

Not in the top 10.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/manufacturing-by-country

They were last year.

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-...

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Reply #377 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

They were last year.

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-...

From your ref -

"Indonesia’s main export products are mineral fuels, mineral oils and products of their distillation, mineral waxes, bituminous substances, animal or vegetable fats and oils."

So mostly fossil fuel derived, which you don't want. Wink

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Reply #378 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:00pm

lee wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

They were last year.

https://www.safeguardglobal.com/resources/top-10-manufacturing-countries-in-the-...

From your ref -

"Indonesia’s main export products are mineral fuels, mineral oils and products of their distillation, mineral waxes, bituminous substances, animal or vegetable fats and oils."

So mostly fossil fuel derived, which you don't want. Wink

I really couldn't care less - I have no strong opinion one way or the other.

I was just showing that Indonesia was in the top 10 manufacturing countries, and that they don't generate nuclear power.

I really don't have a dog in this fight.

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #379 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 3:16pm

MattE wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 4:20pm:

Sounds like a good idea but wait -

What if we would have kept our enormous gas reserves for ourselves
instead of giving it away for rock bottom prices to countries overseas?
Would it have been enough to tide us over until
renewables could take their place?

Bowen the zealot doesn't want gas either.

New gas supplies ‘needed’
says Bowen
as Gippsland wind takes off

Apr 30, 2024

“Frankly, there are exaggerated claims on all sides of the gas debate,” he will tell the conference organised by the Energy Users Association. “Slogans like ‘gas-led recovery’ and ‘no new gas’ are equally catchy – and equally unhelpful to explaining the proper role of gas in our net zero energy mix.

“Gas will play an important role in electricity by firming and peaking renewables.”

https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/new-gas-supplies-needed-says-bowen...

The difference here is Labor want to use gas as a TRANSITION into sustainable energy

The Coalition wanted to use gas to REPLACE sustainable energy

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SadKangaroo Gold Member Offline #FightStupid Posts: 16301 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #380 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:51pm aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm: , Too bad the Libs actively killed manufacturing in this country.
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Reply #381 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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Too bad the Libs actively killed manufacturing in this country.

Nup. Third world countries with the low-income earners did that to Australia. Unless you want people in Australia working for $10/hr in manufacturing jobs, you are not going to see manufacturing in Australia be viable.

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Reply #382 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

Frank wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:06pm:

There is no possibility of running a country like Australia on renewables - solar, hydro, wind - alone. Impossible.

So if you don't want coal, you need gas. If you don't want gas either, you need nuclear.

(I would personally also advocate for more hydro. Proper hydro, not pumped hydro.)

What nonsense. Hydro's completely unfashionable. All those dams and children with their fingers stuck in dykes, it's down there with windmills.

I say, whatabout pedal power? The Professor hooked them up on Gilligan's Island. Bamboo washing machines, bespoke radio sets, an electric organ for Mrs Howell, a vibrator for Mary Anne.

It's just a pity the Professor couldn't come up with a Jigaboo-repellant system to keep the cannibals away, but do you know?

It just goes to show how superior we are when we put our minds to it, no?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #383 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:26pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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Too bad the Libs actively killed manufacturing in this country.

Manufacturing? Come come. We leave all that to the inferior Chows, who are more than happy to work for $5 a day.

We're far above all that, Sad. If your Chow's stupid enough to work for a song, you have the obligation to at least put them to work.

Capitalism, innit. Most scientific. The old boy might have become a devious old socialist, but we refuse to give up on our superior principles.

You?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #384 - Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm:

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And don't forget, Aquascoot, nuclear has the potential to blow up the economy and let us start again.

Your Alpha, the "noble Capitalist", is a bit of a risk-taker, you see. He's a little bit naughty. While the lefties go round trying to make everything safe, the "noble righty" has a good old chuckle.

Nuclear waste has a half life of 24,000 years? He says. Bring it on. You can store it in a Coke can and trigger the leftards ever so.

Problem solved, no?

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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #385 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 8:33pm

lee wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:36pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 1:18pm:

We own substancial shares in Hepburn Energy (wind turbines)

So how much did it cost you for something that seems to have a marginal return ?

The number of shares we purchased was confidential in number between ourselves and the then Hepburn Wind Co Op (now Hepburn Energy)
The share offer was NOT listed on the ASX - and (initially) only made available to Hepburn Shire residents and businesses.

IT WAS MADE VERY CLEAR, FROM DAY ONE, THIS WOULD NOT BE A TYPICAL "GET RICH QUICK" SCHEME.

The co-op was built on idealism and altruism, by a community sick and tired of waiting for governments to get serious on climate change and renewable energy project developments.

To this day Hepburn Energy remains the FIRST and the ONLY community owned sustainable energy project in the country.

Although SOME dividends have been paid to Hepburn Energy Co Op members, the vast buk of return on investments has been paid out on community grants for local sporting clubs, additional local schools funding - and Lions and Rotary groups support.

Any investor can withdraw their financial support fram the co-op - with a small return - at anytime of their choosing, but I've personally heard of no-one doing so, to date.

My community is very proud of everything they've achieved - as I remain very proud to be PART of this community.
We ignore the attempted trashing of the project by the pro-fossil fuel lobby, the anti-sustainanble lobby, the pro-nuclar lobby - and the whole me, me, ME, climate change denying culture.

*NB ... our TWO turbines produce enough energy fed back into the Powercor grid, to run around 2500 homes - though most of us are fuelled by a shared baseload, built on around 10,000 solar panels on roofs throughout the region

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Reply #386 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 8:59pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jun 28^th, 2024 at 8:33pm:

We ignore the attempted trashing of the project by the pro-fossil fuel lobby, the anti-sustainanble lobby, the pro-nuclar lobby - and the whole me, me, ME, climate change denying culture.

So you still haven't said who these people are who deny climate changes. Roll Eyes

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14126 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #387 - Jun 28^th, 2024 at 9:16pm UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27^th, 2024 at 6:02pm: Unless you want people in Australia working for $10/hr NO-ONE wants THAT !
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Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants
Reply #388 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:14am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 19^th, 2024 at 5:59pm:

The Coalition's nuclear power plan misses one key component:

the cost

Powering Australia with
nuclear energy would cost roughly twice as much as renewables
, CSIRO report shows

Wed 22 May 2024

In short: Australia's leading scientific organisation found it would cost at least $8.5 billion to build a large-scale nuclear power plant in the country.

In its latest GenCost report, CSIRO estimates nuclear power to be at least 50 per cent more expensive than wind and solar power backed by batteries.

What's next? CSIRO's chief economist Paul Graham says nuclear power could not be provided in Australia in time to meet the deadline for ending coal-fired power.

Building a large-scale nuclear power plant in Australia would cost at least $8.5 billion, take 15 years to deliver and produce electricity at roughly twice the cost of renewable sources, the country's leading scientific institution has found.

In a report that has for the first time compared conventional nuclear power with other options in Australia, the CSIRO concluded the technology's costs were broadly similar to gas- and black coal-fired generation with carbon capture and storage.

But the CSIRO's GenCost report noted that nuclear was still likely to be at least 50 per cent more expensive than large-scale wind and solar power backed by "firming" technologies such as batteries.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-22/nuclear-power-double-the-cost-of-renewabl...

Dutton has NO intention of building ANY of nuclear plants on his fanciful list of sites.
He's just dog-whistling to the "anything but sustainable" lobby groups, pro-nuclear lobby groups - and climate change deniers

He won't divulge any costing, because the the free market have already backed away from the idea as being unviable - and a very poor return on investment

So that would leave the taxpayer footing the 60 BILLION DOLLAR BILL (not including the 100% budget, as is the norm with government projects) and a 15year wait (not including inevitable time blowouts, inevitable with government projects)

So we're looking at (probably) 100 BILLION DOLLARS of taxpayer funding and FITEEN YEARS wait
before the first slice of bread pops out of the toaster.

Not that's a problem, as climate change doesn't exist - and "it's not a RACE" !

I don't see many votes in THAT - do YOU ?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17146 Gender:	Re: Dutton reveals 7 sites for nuclear power plants Reply #389 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 4:16pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:14am: Not that's a problem, as climate change doesn't exist - and "it's not a RACE" ! Where did you learn climate change doesn't exist?
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