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Dutton's Dangerous Nuclear Fantasy
Jun 20th, 2024 at 7:52am
 
Dutton’s dangerous nuclear fantasy will cost workers, says ACTU
Media Release - June 19, 2024 ACTU.
The ACTU condemns Peter Dutton’s election promise of building nuclear power plants as ‘dangerous’ and ‘costly’ for Australian workers.

Today, the Coalition proposed seven nuclear power sites covering five states: Queensland, New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, and Western Australia. Dutton claimed that the first sites would be operational between 2035 and 2037, significantly earlier than the 2040 timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible, even with the assumption of no project delays.

According to the CSIRO, nuclear power is at least twice as expensive as renewable energy, while the Clean Energy Council estimates it to be six times as expensive.

Dutton’s proposal lacks key details of serious concern to workers, such as the handling and disposal of nuclear waste and the transportation of radioactive materials through Australian communities. Nuclear waste lasts thousands of years and requires burial hundreds of metres below ground in concrete bunkers.

Australia has the most sun and wind per capita of any developed country and evidence shows renewables continue to be the single cheapest source of new power on the grid.

The ACTU warns that Dutton’s proposal would derail Australia’s path to cheaper and cleaner energy, including the hundreds of thousands of good new jobs to be created as part of the federal government’s plan to transform Australia into a renewable energy superpower with the Future Made in Australia policy.

Today’s proposal builds on Dutton’s recent announcement opposing the government’s internationally agreed emissions reduction targets, while failing to outline a 2030 emissions reduction target of his own before the election.

Quotes attributable to ACTU President Michele O’Neil:

“Peter Dutton’s nuclear fantasy is costly for workers, expensive for families and dangerous for local communities.

“Working people in these communities need good, secure, safe jobs now – not in 20 years time with no plan or detail.

“All the experts agree that nuclear power is slow, expensive, and dangerous. This will mean higher power prices, fewer clean energy jobs, and greater risks for workers’ health and safety.

“Dutton wants to put workers’ safety and livelihoods at risk, all so he can appease climate change deniers in the Coalition who oppose clean energy.

“From opposing workers’ rights to promoting his nuclear fantasy, Peter Dutton is the Mr Burns of Australian politics. He is simply out of touch with the everyday struggles of working Australians.

“Australia has so much potential to become a clean energy superpower and create thousands of jobs with the federal government’s Future Made in Australia plan. Instead, we have an Opposition Leader who is obsessed with playing politics with the lives of workers and taking Australia backwards.”
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Reply #1 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:22am
 
Nuclear has a role in clean energy generation but Dutton is just playing politics. His “nuclear plan” is complete bullshit—don’t waste time on it.
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:39am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:22am:
Nuclear has a role in clean energy generation but Dutton is just playing politics. His “nuclear plan” is complete bullshit—don’t waste time on it.


The plan was designed first with the goal of using more Coal and Gas as demanded by their mining industry benefactors and worked backwards from there.

More Coal means fewer renewables, but they have to pretend to care about climate change otherwise they'll never win back the teal votes.

So how can they attack renewables, champion coal and gas and pretend to care about emissions?

Nuclear.

It takes a quarter of a century for experienced countries to build their reactors, so without any delays or setbacks that's already secured 25+ years of more coal and gas, and because of the enormous cost of Nuclear, they'll be incentivised to hurt the renewables industry, scaring off investment so it doesn't continue to get cheaper.

More expensive renewables make nuclear look relatively cheaper.

That's not to mention that they need legislative change before they can even begin, so add years on for that.

If they were serious about the energy, they needed to identify and forecast our future needs and start from there and work backwards, and if they cared about emissions, that would be the guiding hand for their tech.

But they care about coal and Gina.

Right now we know nothing about their plan's generation capacity and what will be their shortfall backup.

It's obvious that it's not a serious plan and they've already said they won't release a bunch of the detail until after the election.

It's politically driven bullshit and shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone, other than it being a massive risk if they actually win and are forced to implement it.
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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 8:57am
 
This is their 29th energy 'policy' in the last decade.  Another thought bubble in Duttons vacuous head.
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Reply #4 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 10:47am
 
Just build efficient coal/gas power stations to power all the new electric cars.

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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 11:16am
 
There will be large numbers of union members who see the benefit in a clean, safe, reliable and cheap source of power.  The boost to industry will be significant. The ACTU leadership will find itself out of touch with the members.
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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 12:15pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 11:16am:
There will be large numbers of union members who see the benefit in a clean, safe, reliable and cheap source of power.  The boost to industry will be significant. The ACTU leadership will find itself out of touch with the members.


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There will be large numbers of union members who see the benefit in a clean, safe, reliable and cheap source of power. 


Yes and one day such a thing will exist.
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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 11:50pm
 
Are you suggesting one day we will see large union membership?

It's been on a massive decline for decades!
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I want more details over " Duddo" plan.

Couldn't care less where they are built but will they actually lower prices or just be a more reliable, extra energy source?

These things aren't cheap.

I do note a close friend in Texas has nuclear power as his electrical source and pays $80 every three months.

His truck rego is also a quarter of ours per year.

Everything isn't actually bigger in Texas, at least cost of living!
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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2024 at 11:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 20th, 2024 at 10:47am:
Just build efficient coal/gas power stations to power all the new electric cars.


I believe a mix of coal, natural environment energy, gas and nuclear is the best solution.
One industry failure is another success.

We need reliable AFFORDABLE energy .

Let's not put our eggs in one basket.
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Thomas A. Edison said as early as in 1931, “I’d put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that.”
 
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Reply #9 - Jun 21st, 2024 at 12:47am
 
Nuclear submarines - now nuclear power stations - what comes next, nuclear weapons?




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Reply #10 - Jun 24th, 2024 at 10:11pm
 
All these numbers about wind and solar being cheaper exclude transmission, which is a massive part of your electricity bill. The new transmission lines cost a lot of money to build and their on going maintenance has to be factored in

But the CSIRO for some reason don't include new transmission in their figures.

There is a lot of irrational fear around nuclear. All these silly thoughts about nuclear bombs and nuclear war. Totally unrelated to nuclear power.
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Reply #12 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 7:45am
 
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All these numbers about wind and solar being cheaper exclude transmission


What makes you think that?
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Reply #13 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 7:50am
 
If renewable energy was the cheapest electricity source and nuclear the most expensive, the green energy barons would have nothing to fear from a nuclear competitor.

And yet....



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Reply #14 - Jun 25th, 2024 at 7:51am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jun 21st, 2024 at 12:47am:
Nuclear submarines - now nuclear power stations - what comes next, nuclear weapons?





The war in Ukraine has shown what has happened when a nation gives up their nuclear weapons.

Now every country will have to consider making their own nukes.
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