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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #120 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:06pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:14pm:

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

Cause there are so many nuclear physicists applying for residency

Since there is an embargo on nuclear plants at the moment, why would you think there would be "so many nuclear physicists applying for residency "? Roll Eyes

I don't. And I don't think they're going to rush to come to Australia if the embargo is ever lifted. Certanly not in the numbers we will require. Not unless we pay them a fortune, which will blow any claims Mr potato Head makes about it being 'cheaper' obsolete.

I worked for a company once that had to get specialist project engineers
out from the UK and Europe - for multi $billion projects.

They had to pay for:
their whole family to come here, including transporting some family furniture,
free rent in a good house,
free company car,
free school fees for their kids to go to a private school which was not near where they lived,
free return tickets to Europe once per year for their whole family,
mega buck pay packets.

They wouldn't come here unless they got a package like that.
Even then one of the wives I spoke to complained that
her husband had dragged her to the ends of the earth. Grin

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #121 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:09pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:14pm:

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:11pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:08pm:

Cause there are so many nuclear physicists applying for residency

Since there is an embargo on nuclear plants at the moment, why would you think there would be "so many nuclear physicists applying for residency "? Roll Eyes

I don't. And I don't think they're going to rush to come to Australia if the embargo is ever lifted. Certanly not in the numbers we will require. Not unless we pay them a fortune, which will blow any claims Mr potato Head makes about it being 'cheaper' obsolete.

I worked for a company once that had to get specialist project engineers
out from the UK and Europe.
They had to pay for:
their whole family to come here, including transporting some family furniture,
free rent in a good house,
free company car,
free school fees for their kids to go to a private school which was not near where they lived,
free return tickets to Europe once per year for their whole family,
mega buck pay packets.

They wouldn't come here unless they got a package like that.
Even then one of the wives I spoke to complained that
her husband had dragged her to the ends of the earth. Grin

Australia is now one of the most expensive countries to live in. No nuclear engineer is going to come here unless it's worth it for them. They can pick any country they want.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #122 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:15pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:09pm:

Australia is now one of the most expensive countries to live in. No nuclear engineer is going to come here unless it's worth it for them. They can pick any country they want.

And it will take years of expensive consultants just to decide on what types of reactors to build.
That could cost a few $100 million.

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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #123 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:28pm Australia screws up simple projects like the broadband fiasco. The usual answer to problems in Australia is just to throw more money at them.
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #124 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:34pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:28pm:

Australia screws up simple projects like the broadband fiasco.

The usual answer to problems in Australia is just to throw more money at them.

Look at Snowy 2.

$2 billion and now $12 billion. Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-23/snowy-hydro-sinkhole-toxic-gas-tunnelling...

The pumped hydro project, trumpeted as a grand "nation-building" scheme, was first estimated to cost just $2 billion.
It's blown out to $12 billion.

It was expected to produce its first power next year — now, it won't be keeping any lights on for at least another four years.

Snowy Hydro has revealed to Four Corners as much as $2 billion of this blowout can be blamed on the stalled tunnel boring machine they call Florence.

Its 15km journey below Kosciuszko National Park should be well underway by now, but it's gone just 150m.

Insiders say warnings were ignored — Florence was doomed from the start.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #125 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:34pm:

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:28pm:

Australia screws up simple projects like the broadband fiasco.

The usual answer to problems in Australia is just to throw more money at them.

Look at Snowy 2.

$2 billion and now $12 billion. Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-23/snowy-hydro-sinkhole-toxic-gas-tunnelling...

The pumped hydro project, trumpeted as a grand "nation-building" scheme, was first estimated to cost just $2 billion.
It's blown out to $12 billion.

It was expected to produce its first power next year — now, it won't be keeping any lights on for at least another four years.

Snowy Hydro has revealed to Four Corners as much as $2 billion of this blowout can be blamed on the stalled tunnel boring machine they call Florence.

Its 15km journey below Kosciuszko National Park should be well underway by now, but it's gone just 150m.

Insiders say warnings were ignored — Florence was doomed from the start.

They should have given the contract to the Chinese.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105299 Melbourne Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #126 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:57pm Hi LTYC, I don't think it was the fault of the boring machine - the underground terrain is unsuitable for drilling.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74636 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #127 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 10:21pm Quote: Look at Snowy 2. $2 billion and now $12 billion. Grin Thanks to turdbull and scummo
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105299 Melbourne Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #128 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 10:30pm John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 10:21pm: Quote: Look at Snowy 2. $2 billion and now $12 billion. Grin Thanks to turdbull and scummo It sounded like a good idea but they didn't do enough test bores to check the terrain first.
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Reply #129 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:14pm

$4.3 Billion had been spent by August 2023 and the progress is below expectations.

That portends that the project will cost much more than $12 Billion.

Politicians and national project implementation managers have an interest in hiding the true cost of their project overruns.

The original 1960s Snowy project was reputed to be on budget and on schedule, however, it is not possible to verify if that is true.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #130 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:47am

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:

Your capacity for misunderstanding never ceases to surprise.

Perhaps it is your inability to write constructively. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:

I think nuclear is the most expensive option we have. Labor and the Greens gave us the cheapest option. The coalition gave us the most expensive option, after decades of crippling uncertainty.

That all starts out with what YOU think.

It's not just what I think. See the opening post.

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According to the experts it will cost trillions, with storage, as opposed to billions for nuclear

Renewables with storage are already cheaper than nuclear, and the price is going down. The price of nuclear is going up.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #131 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 3:04pm freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:47am: Renewables with storage are already cheaper than nuclear, and the price is going down. Nope. Read carefully Renewables trillions. nuclear billions. If you can find something relevant please reveal it. You know the full cost of renewables and storage.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17673 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #132 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 3:08pm John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01pm: We have thousands, and once they hook up the panel they move onto their next job. So these high paying renewables jobs are only temporary, so much for the government spin.
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #133 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:01pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01pm:

We have thousands, and once they hook up the panel they move onto their next job.

So these high paying renewables jobs are only temporary, so much for the government spin. Grin

yes, cause electricians always work one job then spend the rest of their lives unemployed

christ you're a dumbarse. Cheesy

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #134 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:02pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:47am:

Renewables with storage are already cheaper than nuclear, and the price is going down.

Nope. Read carefully Renewables trillions. nuclear billions. If you can find something relevant please reveal it. You know the full cost of renewables and storage. Roll Eyes

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