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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17669 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #135 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:11pm Oh Now you believe in trends and not published figures. Do those published figures for wind and solar include storage? It very carefully doesn't say. So perhaps instead of a saved graph, print from whence it came.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74619 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #136 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 8:44pm There isn't one single working reactor of the type Mr potato Head proposed anywhere in the world. Only a true idiot would believe Mr potato Head can build one in 5 years. Lee is such an idiot.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17669 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #137 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 8:54pm John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:01pm: yes, cause electricians always work one job then spend the rest of their lives unemployed But these high paying renewables jobs were supposed to be forever. Now you want them to go back to medium paying jobs. You are such a dumbarse.
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Reply #138 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:11pm

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:01pm:

yes, cause electricians always work one job then spend the rest of their lives unemployed

But these high paying renewables jobs were supposed to be forever. Now you want them to go back to medium paying jobs. You are such a dumbarse. Grin

Can you show where anyone, other than you, claimed the jobs would last forever dumbarse?

And most contractors make more money than you do anyway. Renewables create more demand for their services, which means more money for them.

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Reply #139 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 10:26pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:11pm:

Can you show where anyone, other than you, claimed the jobs would last forever dumbarse?

So you do agree that the green jobs are temporary. Thanks for that.

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:11pm:

And most contractors make more money than you do anyway.

Never said I did. If a contractor makes less than a pensioner, he isn't really trying. Or ripping off the tax system. Grin

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:11pm:

Renewables create more demand for their services, which means more money for them.

How? The services are replacement services, not something new. Even EV's take a charge from whatever electricity is available. Electricity is electricity no matter how it is derived. Roll Eyes

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Reply #140 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 12:09am

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So you do agree that the green jobs are temporary.

You backpedalling now? Why did you pretend anyone claimed the jobs would last forever? Why did you lie?

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Never said I did.

You never say anything that actually makes sense. You prefer making stupid comments instead.

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The services are replacement services, not something new

You know many electricians and engineers working in coal mines dumbarse?

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Reply #141 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:06am

lee wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

Oh Now you believe in trends and not published figures.

Do those published figures for wind and solar include storage? It very carefully doesn't say. So perhaps instead of a saved graph, print from whence it came. Grin

The trends are published figures Lee. But it is nice of you, 10 pages in to a thread about the high price tag of nuclear, to finally bring yourself to discuss the high price tag for nuclear. From the OP:

freediver wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 7:37am:

Further down the page, a cost (in Australia) of 9c/kWh is given for wind power with storage, and 12c/kWh for solar with storage.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/LCOE_001.png

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Reply #142 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

The trends are published figures Lee. But it is nice of you, 10 pages in to a thread about the high price tag of nuclear, to finally bring yourself to discuss the high price tag for nuclear.

Yet you still haven't addressed Trillions for renewable and billions for nuclear.

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

freediver wrote on Jun 24th, 2024 at 5:37am:
Further down the page, a cost (in Australia) of 9c/kWh is given for wind power with storage, and 12c/kWh for solar with storage.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/LCOE_001.png

And nowhere in your graphic does it mention storage, Strange that. Grin

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Reply #143 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:19pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 12:09am:

You backpedalling now? Why did you pretend anyone claimed the jobs would last forever? Why did you lie?

It was first proposed that green jobs would be forever. Why else would Dementia Joe talk about teaching fossil fuel workers to code as part of the green Utopia?

"At a 2019 campaign rally in New Hampshire, then-candidate Joe Biden described the possibility of coal miners transitioning to more environmentally friendly labor. "Anybody who can go down 3,000 feet in a mine can sure as hell learn to program as well," he said. His remarks were reported by The Washington Post's David Weigel and The Hill, the latter making note of the job-retraining aspects of Biden's platform."

https://reason.com/2024/01/25/yes-biden-absolutely-told-coal-miners-to-learn-to-
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Reply #144 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:24pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 12:09am:

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Never said I did.

You never say anything that actually makes sense.

So you never knew I was on a pension? Even though I have said it many times. It shows how long you retain information. Grin

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 12:09am:

You know many electricians and engineers working in coal mines dumbarse?

Don't you think underground miners need electrical works? Grin

Hint: they don't use petrol jackhammers., air conditioning etc. Wink

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #145 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 4:53pm Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm: Dear Mods, Gnads called me a numpty. Dear Mods clearly Booby is a numpty.
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Reply #146 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 4:58pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

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And it would be far easier to mobilise a workforce for 1 power station

What makes you think that? How many people do you think are needed to build a modern nuclear power station?

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in a coastal or near coastal location

How many of Dutton's proposed sites are on the coast? Do you think the workers are going to be commuting from a capital city?

Do you have any kind of awareness of the logistical difficulties associated with such large projects?

Ask yourself that about all the regional remote wind & solar farm projects.

They are all on a much smaller scale. Let me dumb this down as much as possible for you. Do you understand the logistical difficulty in getting a huge number of workers at the same remote site at the same time?

Smaller scale? Grin

I know who's dumb ... you have it in spades.

The projects are huge .... they have to be or there's no chance in hell the planned emission targets will be reached & "net zero" will remain a fallacy ...... as is all of the fallacious claims from the Church of Climate Change and Renewables.

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Reply #147 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:00pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:35pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

You have a problem with comprehension.

I'd hazard a guess your knowledge of types of reactors is simply Google/Wiki.

Are you saying no professionals in this country are capable of being trained to proficiency in reactor technology and how to build them?

We are buying nuclear subs from the US ... who is going to teach our naval personnel to operate them?

Your logic is the same as the employer saying to a young job applicant they can't have a certain job because they have no experience.
You(no one)get experience when you do the job, every one has to start somewhere to gain experience.

Idiots like you down playing the capabilities of Australians in professional spheres is laughable.

Educate yourself you numpty.

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2010/06/australia...

https://www.weekendnotes.com/60-great-australian-inventions/

https://thebrilliant.com/case-studies/34-australian-inventions-changing-your-lif...

Listen you numpty - we have almost zero experience with nuclear power stations. Roll Eyes

OMG ... you enormous ignorant numpty...

where did Australian industry ever learn how to build anything?

We will gain the experience as we have done in the past.

You're a clueless latte sipper from Melbourne.

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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #148 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:02pm John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:10pm: lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:03pm: You mean like FIFO's? DIDO's? ( we've had a a mining industry to train and draw experience from for centuries. We don't have anyone to draw personnel from in regards to nuclear BS ...you're as thick as Booby.
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Reply #149 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:06pm

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:04pm:

lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:28pm:

Yeah. All those really high paying jobs.

So you think nuclear jobs should be low paid? Oh dear. Roll Eyes

Your capacity for misunderstanding never ceases to surprise. I wonder who you vote for?

I think nuclear is the most expensive option we have. Labor and the Greens gave us the cheapest option. The coalition gave us the most expensive option, after decades of crippling uncertainty.

What a climate change alarmist like you thinks is irrelevant.

Nuclear is not the most expensive.

Have you based your assumption on the cost of the 8 nuclear submarines that the hypocritical Labor Govt. has committed to?

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