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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #180 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 8:36pm

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No we're not you complete phukwit ... we're talking about not having people with the experience or expertise to build nuclear

I'm glad you finally figured it out. Yes we're talking about nuclear. An industry we have no experienced workforce for.

Now I'll ask again, what about that exactly is bs. Afterall, you were the dopey moron who said it was bs.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #181 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am

lee wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

No-one knows when or if that undersupply will come.

Exactly. So much for trend lines. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

If the CCP stops subsidising electric vehicles, we might not see high prices again for a decade.

If the CCP stops subsidising EV's (including Batteries), it will cause higher prices. It is the CCP that caused the lithium price to drop. Roll Eyes

" Rare discounts offered by Chinese battery giant CATL (300750.SZ), opens new tab to automakers have accelerated a plunge in lithium prices, and the market is set to drop a further 25% with supply growth outpacing demand, analysts and traders say."

https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/lithium-price-slide-deepens-china-ba...

As usual, you have it backwards. If the CCP cut the subsidies, sales would go down, which means demand would go down.

A brief spike or dip in the price does not mean the trend is not there. It just means you do not understand what trend means. Like those fools who look out the window early one morning and declare "frost this morning, therefor no global warming".

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #182 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:06am

John Smith wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 8:36pm:

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No we're not you complete phukwit ... we're talking about not having people with the experience or expertise to build nuclear

I'm glad you finally figured it out. Yes we're talking about nuclear. An industry we have no experienced workforce for.

Now I'll ask again, what about that exactly is bs. Afterall, you were the dopey moron who said it was bs.

You're a moron. It was shown to you you're historically incorrect about new technology and our ability to get it built here.

None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

If developing nations can build them so can we Guido. ehhhh coupla days. Roll Eyes

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #183 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #184 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:57am

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

Glad you can admit that they're wasting our money on all these wind & solar projects that are costing us $billions.

There's nothing from that that is "free".

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #185 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:58am

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

You're a moron. It was shown to you you're historically incorrect about new technology and our ability to get it built here.

No it wasn't. It wasn't my fault that you are to stupid to understand what you are saying.

Most of the imported workforce for the Snowy scheme was unskilled labour. poo kickers needed to do the heavy lifting. Same with the bridge. One or two architects or engineers to oversee a project is not 'importing a workforce. Nuclear is different. You can't have unskilled people working there. They have to be trained and they have to understand what they are doing as one wrong move can be catastrophic.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #186 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:00am

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

Glad you can admit that they're wasting our money on all these wind & solar projects that are costing us $billions.

There's nothing from that that is "free".

I've already said I am opposed to subsidies. Do try to keep up.

Do you recall me pointing out that Labor and the Greens enacted the cheapest, most effective, most economically rational way to reduce GHG emissions a decade ago, and the coalition decided to get rid of it and saddle us with crippling uncertainty and waste of taxpayer funds?

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #187 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:05am

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

Glad you can admit that they're wasting our money on all these wind & solar projects that are costing us $billions.

There's nothing from that that is "free".

I've already said I am opposed to subsidies. Do try to keep up.

Do you recall me pointing out that Labor and the Greens enacted the cheapest, most effective, most economically rational way to reduce GHG emissions a decade ago, and the coalition decided to get rid of it and saddle us with crippling uncertainty and waste of taxpayer funds?

What was that again? A carbon tax? Grin

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #188 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:11am

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

Glad you can admit that they're wasting our money on all these wind & solar projects that are costing us $billions.

There's nothing from that that is "free".

I've already said I am opposed to subsidies. Do try to keep up.

Do you recall me pointing out that Labor and the Greens enacted the cheapest, most effective, most economically rational way to reduce GHG emissions a decade ago, and the coalition decided to get rid of it and saddle us with crippling uncertainty and waste of taxpayer funds?

What was that again? A carbon tax? Grin

Yes. The coalition is selling economic ignorance.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719614503

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #189 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:11am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

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None of the BS you've put up is a hurdle to building nuclear power stations in this country.

High prices are not a hurdle? Not according to the coalition, anyway. After all, it is not their money they are wasting.

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Prior to nuclear ever being built 1st time in any country they had not had experience in doing it before.

I am tempted to say it is the only time, but it is not even that. Nuclear is already the most expensive option, and going up in price. The coalition has no intention of doing what they say they will do. They have been lying to us for decades about their commitment to addressing climate change. This i just another one of those lies. They will continue to do what they have always done - nothing. The coalition cheerleaders jumping on the nuclear bandwagon on their behalf are doing far more than the coalition ever will. We can look forward to another decade of crippling uncertainty and skyrocketing prices in the electricity sector.

Glad you can admit that they're wasting our money on all these wind & solar projects that are costing us $billions.

There's nothing from that that is "free".

I've already said I am opposed to subsidies. Do try to keep up.

Do you recall me pointing out that Labor and the Greens enacted the cheapest, most effective, most economically rational way to reduce GHG emissions a decade ago, and the coalition decided to get rid of it and saddle us with crippling uncertainty and waste of taxpayer funds?

What was that again? A carbon tax? Grin

Yes. The coalition is selling economic ignorance.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1719614503

A carbon tax & carbon offsets is just smoke & mirrors nonsense.

Meanwhile the greatest CO2 emitters on the planet carry on regardless.....

burning fossil fuels, building more coal fired power stations & nuclear power stations....

Whilst the Church of Net Zero Climate Change Alarmism think our insignificant contribution to emissions and our attempt to reduce them is going to save the planet. Roll Eyes

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #190 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

If the CCP cut the subsidies, sales would go down, which means demand would go down.

On the back of burgeoning renewables and storage? Grin

Or do you think that is only EV batteries that are subsidised while China tries to make the west uncompetitive?

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

A brief spike or dip in the price does not mean the trend is not there.

That's right. Temporary oversupply is not indicative of future prices, Thanks for that. Roll Eyes

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Reply #191 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:55pm

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

If the CCP cut the subsidies, sales would go down, which means demand would go down.

On the back of burgeoning renewables and storage? Grin

Or do you think that is only EV batteries that are subsidised while China tries to make the west uncompetitive?

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

A brief spike or dip in the price does not mean the trend is not there.

That's right. Temporary oversupply is not indicative of future prices, Thanks for that. Roll Eyes

Yes Lee. Most Lithium produced today ends up on vehicles. In any case, whether the price goes up or down depends on how demand changes relative to supply, not in an absolute sense.

lee wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

If the CCP stops subsidising EV's (including Batteries), it will cause higher prices. It is the CCP that caused the lithium price to drop. Roll Eyes

Do you agree that this is a stupid claim and shows that your understanding of economics is backwards?

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Reply #192 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 4:36pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

Most Lithium produced today ends up on vehicles.

Do you have a link for that?

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

In any case, whether the price goes up or down depends on how demand changes relative to supply, not in an absolute sense.

But burgeoning megabattery packs take up much more lithium than EV packs. Roll Eyes

And there is doubt about increased supply. So demand is up and supply either static or down. Roll Eyes

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #193 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:41pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 8:36pm:

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No we're not you complete phukwit ... we're talking about not having people with the experience or expertise to build nuclear

I'm glad you finally figured it out. Yes we're talking about nuclear. An industry we have no experienced workforce for.

Now I'll ask again, what about that exactly is bs. Afterall, you were the dopey moron who said it was bs.

UAE had no experienced workforce for nuclear it took 7 years to build their first reactor just over 5 for the second.

UAE built their first concrete building in 1959

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Reply #194 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:58pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 8:36pm:

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No we're not you complete phukwit ... we're talking about not having people with the experience or expertise to build nuclear

I'm glad you finally figured it out. Yes we're talking about nuclear. An industry we have no experienced workforce for.

Now I'll ask again, what about that exactly is bs. Afterall, you were the dopey moron who said it was bs.

UAE had no experienced workforce for nuclear it took 7 years to build their first reactor just over 5 for the second.

UAE built their first concrete building in 1959

So baronvontwit, you agree that if the UAE, an authoritarian state, couldn't get it done in 5 years, then Mr Potato head has absolutely no chance of getting anything built in 5 yrs and he's full of crap?

And the UAE spent $20B for 4 reactors, and they did not build the reactors Mr Potato head wants built Cheesy

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