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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17649 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #195 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:22pm John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:58pm: And the UAE spent $20B for 4 reactors, and they did not build the reactors Mr Potato head wants built But oil is cheaper, they already have the infrastructure.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74605 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #196 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:45pm lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:22pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:58pm: And the UAE spent $20B for 4 reactors, and they did not build the reactors Mr Potato head wants built But oil is cheaper, they already have the infrastructure. So their motivation is not cheaper energy. No surprise there.
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Reply #197 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:58pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:45pm:

So their motivation is not cheaper energy. No surprise there.

They produce it. Show us where it costs them more. Wink

Electricity price UAE USD $0.08/KWh

https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/United-Arab-Emirates/electricity_prices/

Australia - AUD 0.30 or about USD $.40

https://www.canstarblue.com.au/electricity/electricity-costs-kwh/#prices

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Reply #198 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am

lee wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

If the CCP stops subsidising electric vehicles, we might not see high prices again for a decade.

If the CCP stops subsidising EV's (including Batteries), it will cause higher prices. It is the CCP that caused the lithium price to drop. Roll Eyes

Lee can you explain your economic theory here for us?

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:55pm:

Most Lithium produced today ends up on vehicles.

Do you have a link for that?

https://about.bnef.com/electric-vehicle-outlook/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268787/lithium-usage-in-the-world-market

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

And there is doubt about increased supply. So demand is up and supply either static or down. Roll Eyes

You are full of crap Lee. The market is currently oversupplied and prices are well down. Core Lithium announced yesterday that it is suspending operations at Finniss due to the low prices and will bring it back online only if prices go back up. They obviously expect that (as does just about everyone else), as they are still pouring money into preparation for growth.

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They produce it. Show us where it costs them more. Wink
Electricity price UAE USD $0.08/KWh

Because electricity is heavily subsidised in the UAE, and is mostly produced by natural gas and oil, which they can get cheap.

You really should think these things through before posting Lee.

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Reply #199 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:41pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

Lee can you explain your economic theory here for us?

Not to you, you have proven incapable.

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/268787/lithium-usage-in-the-world-market

Your link doesn't discriminate between EV and megabatteries. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

The market is currently oversupplied and prices are well down. Core Lithium announced yesterday that it is suspending operations at Finniss due to the low prices and will bring it back online only if prices go back up.

You were the one saying that higher prices would reduce EV sales. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

Because electricity is heavily subsidised in the UAE, and is mostly produced by natural gas and oil, which they can get cheap.

Yep. That's why it is cheaper than nuclear. Thanks for the supporting argument. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:34am:

You really should think these things through before posting Lee.

I do, It is YOU who, perhaps intentionally fail to understand. Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74605 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #200 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:43pm lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:41pm: Yep. That's why it is cheaper than nuclear. They subsidized the nuclear too ya dumbarse
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10325 Melbourne Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #201 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:53pm Regardless of the relatively high price of Nuclear power, the point is that renewables will never be able to supply guaranteed 24/7 electricity. So ... you either go with green house gas emitting Gas-fired electricity network firming, or non greenhouse gas emitting Nuclear generated electricity network firming.
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 17649 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #202 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:57pm John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:43pm: They subsidized the nuclear too ya dumbarse Since according to you, they weren't built, how did they subsidise the o/p?
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Reply #203 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:32pm

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Not to you, you have proven incapable.

Le, is this quote from you as idiotic as it seems? Do you stand by your claim that if the CCP stop[s subsidising EVs, it will push lithium prices up?

lee wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 6:23pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 5:46pm:

If the CCP stops subsidising electric vehicles, we might not see high prices again for a decade.

If the CCP stops subsidising EV's (including Batteries), it will cause higher prices. It is the CCP that caused the lithium price to drop. Roll Eyes

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our link doesn't discriminate between EV and megabatteries.

That's why I gave two links Lee. I realise it might be tough, but you will have to figure out how to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time.

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You were the one saying that higher prices would reduce EV sales.

Can you quote me?
Do you disagree?

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Yep. That's why it is cheaper than nuclear. Thanks for the supporting argument.

Subsidies just means you pay for it through taxes instead Lee. Are all coalition supporters this ignorant of basic economics? What do you think the price of electricity in a country that gets most of its electricity from oil and gas, and that also subsidises electricity, tells us about the cost of building nuclear power stations in Australia?

Who do you think puts more research into their public brain farts Lee, you or Peter Dutton?

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Reply #204 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:42pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

That's why I gave two links Lee.

Yes one solely for EV batteries which doesn't include megabatteries and one generic one for batteries. I guess you used to omniscience to determine the battery mix. Grin

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

Can you quote me?

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:04am:

If the CCP cut the subsidies, sales would go down, which means demand would go down.

So what you are saying is if the CCP cuts subsidies there would be no difference in price? Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:32pm:

Subsidies just means you pay for it through taxes instead Lee.

Yes. So it costs more, there is no free feed. Roll Eyes

Are you really saying the UAE has increased taxes, or do you think it comes from general revenue? Roll Eyes

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Reply #205 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:18pm

lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:43pm:

They subsidized the nuclear too ya dumbarse

Since according to you, they weren't built, how did they subsidise the o/p? Roll Eyes

Who said they weren't built dumbarse? What I said was that the UAE spent $20b for 4 reactors

Are you dyslexic at all?

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Reply #206 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:22pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:18pm:

Who said they weren't built dumbarse? What I said was that the UAE spent $20b for 4 reactors

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

And the UAE spent $20B for 4 reactors, and they did not build the reactors Mr Potato head wants built

You seem to be saying that they didn't build the reactors. Of course Dutton hasn't said what reactors he wants built, so they couldn't build them. Grin

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Reply #207 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:27pm

lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:18pm:

Who said they weren't built dumbarse? What I said was that the UAE spent $20b for 4 reactors

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:58pm:

And the UAE spent $20B for 4 reactors, and they did not build the reactors Mr Potato head wants built

You seem to be saying that they didn't build the reactors. Of course Dutton hasn't said what reactors he wants built, so they couldn't build them. Grin

Wow, you really are dylexic. They spent $20b building 4 reactors, the reactors they built were not the ones Mr Potato head wants to build.

And of course Dutton has said what type he wants, He wants 7 small modular reactors, which have to date never been built anywhere in the world.

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Reply #208 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:56pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

They spent $20b building 4 reactors, the reactors they built were not the ones Mr Potato head wants to build.

John Smith wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:27pm:

And of course Dutton has said what type he wants, He wants 7 small modular reactors, which have to date never been built anywhere in the world

"As of March 2024, all four new nuclear reactors are now fully operational in the Barakah Nuclear station, producing 5,348 MWe of electricity[5] and allowing the UAE to produce 40 TWh of electricity per year, driving the proposed Net Zero economy.[6]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_the_United_Arab_Emirates

Nope. "The large-scale AP-1000 reactors mentioned by Mr Dutton today have a capacity of 1.1 gigawatts (GW), and he suggested small modular reactors would have a capacity of 0.47 GW. "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-19/dutton-reveals-seven-sites-for-proposed-n...

The UAE reactors are larger.

But so much for "dylexic" (Sic). Roll Eyes

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Reply #209 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:58pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:58am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:06am:

You're a moron. It was shown to you you're historically incorrect about new technology and our ability to get it built here.

No it wasn't. It wasn't my fault that you are to stupid to understand what you are saying.

Most of the imported workforce for the Snowy scheme was unskilled labour. poo kickers needed to do the heavy lifting. Same with the bridge. One or two architects or engineers to oversee a project is not 'importing a workforce. Nuclear is different. You can't have unskilled people working there. They have to be trained and they have to understand what they are doing as one wrong move can be catastrophic.

BS - the engineers & architects if imported like the shyte kickers are part of "the imported work force".

A nuclear site would not be dangerous to the point of an accident being catastrophic until the very final stages.

You're an alarmist softcock.

Everything about your moronic attitude & failure to comprehend the simplest of concepts is your fault.

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