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Reply #45 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:03am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2024 at 10:08am:

3.7%

of Australia’s energy - that's stuff all - it's almost nothing. Shocked

Add up the costs of all the onshore wind & solar projects, those finished, those in the process of being built

plus the costs of those planned ... like the offshore wind project out from Woolongong and those in Bass.

The maintenance factor for those will be double of that of similar onshore projects.

The real costs of this lunatic "zero emissions" & renewable targets hasn't been truly presented either.

The "high price" tag for nuclear is just a continuation of political & vested interests scaremongering.

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Reply #46 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:36am

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

Not just because the price is rapidly rising and they could be 20 years away. But also because we have no local experience.

I am sure ANSTO would disagree about local experience, or the people at Tellus Holdings. Roll Eyes

In fact ANSTO has recently signed an MOU with US National Nuclear Security at the International Atomic Energy Agency's in Vienna, on nuclear technology and capabilities. Sounds like a big deal for a country with "no experience".

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Reply #47 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:39am

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I am sure ANSTO would disagree about local experience

How many nuclear power stations have they built? What sort of established industry is there? Have they actual disagreed with all our media outlets who are saying the price will be higher in Australia because of lack of experience? Or do you think we can send a dozen laboratory scientists out to build it?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17648 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #48 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:25pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:39am: How many nuclear power stations have they built? Your claim was we have NO nuclear experience? "we have no local experience"
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Reply #49 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:30pm

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:25pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:39am:

How many nuclear power stations have they built?

Your claim was we have NO nuclear experience? "we have no local experience" Roll Eyes

I'm sure we could get people in to mop the floor.

What did you think I was talking about?

Do you hope the coalition is a few steps ahead of you, or do you think maybe you have put more thought into it?

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Reply #50 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:30pm:

I'm sure we could get people in to mop the floor.

I am sure that is up your experience street. Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:30pm:

What did you think I was talking about?

You made a general statement. What should have been made of it, other than as a general observation? Roll Eyes

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:30pm:

Do you hope the coalition is a few steps ahead of you, or do you think maybe you have put more thought into it?

Are you really as stupid as you sound? Grin

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49059 At my desk.	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #51 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:49pm Quote: You made a general statement. I agree. If there is any possibility that a person might misunderstand something or fail to see the bleeding obvious, it will be you.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17648 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #52 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 4:18pm freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 3:49pm: I agree. Thank you.
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Reply #53 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 6:01pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:42am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 11:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

lee wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 5:05pm:

It is actual cost trends from 2009 to 2022.

"The GenCost report notes that some of the challenges in trying to pin down an estimation for Australian nuclear plant costs based on overseas data includes:"

Correct. Australian costs are going to be much higher. Not just because the price is rapidly rising and they could be 20 years away. But also because we have no local experience.

Australia has signed Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty which means we can get help with nuclear power.

That's wonderful. I'm sure there will be plenty of highly paid people offering their assistance.

We spent $100 million of taxpayers money on Geological reports for Snowy Hydro 2 how did that work out?

It was supposed to cost $2 billion operational in 2021 it has cost $12 billion with current estimate at 2028-2029 before it works. I wonder how many billions extra it will cost over the next 4-5 years.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #54 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 6:34pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 6:01pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:42am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 11:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:02pm:

lee wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:29pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 5:05pm:

It is actual cost trends from 2009 to 2022.

"The GenCost report notes that some of the challenges in trying to pin down an estimation for Australian nuclear plant costs based on overseas data includes:"

Correct. Australian costs are going to be much higher. Not just because the price is rapidly rising and they could be 20 years away. But also because we have no local experience.

Australia has signed Nuclear Non Proliferation treaty which means we can get help with nuclear power.

That's wonderful. I'm sure there will be plenty of highly paid people offering their assistance.

We spent $100 million of taxpayers money on Geological reports for Snowy Hydro 2 how did that work out?

It was supposed to cost $2 billion operational in 2021 it has cost $12 billion with current estimate at 2028-2029 before it works. I wonder how many billions extra it will cost over the next 4-5 years.

Is that why you want to waste even more taxpayer money?

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Reply #55 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:29pm

The pro-nuclear lobby will never accept any alternative that carries the "sustainable" or "renewable" tag.

They have much in common with the climate change denial lobby, in that they will never admit that they were wrong, even when the cost of ONE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS - by the way - has been dropped on the table, just as an initial set-up cost, let alone the 15 to 20 years time-frame before the first spark.

We also have a lot of "not in my backyard" determination - from state governments, to shire councils, to homeowners, regarding not just on plant sites, but who has a vacant basement they wouldn't mind letting out in 100,000-year increments. to store nuclear waste ?

You might well say "Dutton's dreaming" ?

I STILL say he's dog-whistlin' the anti-sustainables and climate change denial lobbies, so why bother with, so-called "costings" ?

This

'dodo policy'

already dead in the water

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Reply #56 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:40pm

Korea can supply Large nuclear reactors for 9.5 billion. 7 makes 70 billion. The amount spent on renewables so far, far exceeds 100 billion dollars.

And of course it hasn't stopped.

"Australia's biggest power grid would need to triple in size within eight years and trillions of dollars would need to be spent, according to a report outlining the colossal task of achieving carbon neutrality by 2050."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-19/australias-energy-transition-needs-gas-sa...

Trillions not Billions. Roll Eyes

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #58 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 9:51am

lee wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Korea can supply Large nuclear reactors for 9.5 billion.

Not to, or in AUSTRALIA, obviously - or Dutton would release such a quote, if he had one (which he doesn't)

He'd have released costings prior to the election (which he's already said he won't be doing) if there were realistic figures in there.

100% taxpayer funded, is the only figure we'll be given.

I wonder what became of the old
Liberal Mantra "Let the Market Decide"
?
The "Market" has left the building.

Of course, the REALLY big question is who will take over from him as Leader of the Liberal Party
and Opposition Leader
after the Federal Election ?

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #59 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:17am

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:09pm:

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Korea can supply Large nuclear reactors for 9.5 billion. 7 makes 70 billion.

Do you think they can make them in Australia for that price?
Or do you think they just stick them on a ship and send them wherever?

Like a big Meccano set ?

Or maybe a few boat loads of Korean workers could be dropped off in Australia to work for Korean wages - NORTH Korean !

Don't WORRY, it's NOT HAPPENING !

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