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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #90 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01am

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And it would be far easier to mobilise a workforce for 1 power station

What makes you think that? How many people do you think are needed to build a modern nuclear power station?

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in a coastal or near coastal location

How many of Dutton's proposed sites are on the coast? Do you think the workers are going to be commuting from a capital city?

Do you have any kind of awareness of the logistical difficulties associated with such large projects?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47198 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #91 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:21am ALL those workers will need to be trained in aspects of nuclear. Even the humble brickies, concretors etc. Who is going to train the trainers?
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #92 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:21am

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

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And it would be far easier to mobilise a workforce for 1 power station

What makes you think that? How many people do you think are needed to build a modern nuclear power station?

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in a coastal or near coastal location

How many of Dutton's proposed sites are on the coast? Do you think the workers are going to be commuting from a capital city?

Do you have any kind of awareness of the logistical difficulties associated with such large projects?

Ask yourself that about all the regional remote wind & solar farm projects.

All of the LNPs suggested nuclear sites are close to regional cities/towns.

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The seven sites are:
1.Tarong in Queensland, near Kingaroy, Nanango, Yarraman & Kumbia districts - where most employees lived who work at Tarong Power station.

2.Callide in Queensland. Closest town Biloela 97 klm from Gladstone. Or 82klm from Calliope. Plenty of unused mining camp accommodations.

3.Liddell in NSW, in the Hunter Valley. Close to Muswellbrook, Singleton, Maitland & Cessnock - 90klm from Newcastle.

4.Mount Piper in NSW, 17klm from Lithgow & 40 klm from Bathurst.

5.Port Augusta in SA. On Spencer Gulf.

6.Loy Yang in Victoria, in the Latrobe Valley close to towns of Morwell & Traralgon.

7.Muja in WA, near Collie & 45klm from Bunbury.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29645 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #93 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:24am Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:21am: ALL those workers will need to be trained in aspects of nuclear. Even the humble brickies, concretors etc. Who is going to train the trainers? Bullshyte. Expertise can be drawn from anywhere globally. We export our expertise overseas on projects.
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #94 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:38am

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:24am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:21am:

ALL those workers will need to be trained in aspects of nuclear. Even the humble brickies, concretors etc.

Who is going to train the trainers?

Bullshyte.

Expertise can be drawn from anywhere globally.

We export our expertise overseas on projects.

Football, meat pies, kangaroos, and Holden cars?

The aspects Australia has expertise in can't be exported ... easily?

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What is the speciality of Australia?

Australia is globally famous for its natural wonders, wide-open spaces, beaches, deserts, "The Bush", and "The Outback".

... and the stump-jump plow.

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #95 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 1:48pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:53am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:19am:

A repeat of your rubbish.

Our medical system is full of overseas born & trained doctors and professionals.

Been to the doctor lately ... trust your GP or Specialist?????? Roll Eyes

Many medical specialists here have to spend 2 or more months overseas per year
just to keep up with changes in technology.
At least we have a base of medical knowledge here.
We have hardly any knowledge on nuclear power stations here.
Our only involvement is a tiny research and medical isotope reactor at Lucas Heights.
Places like the USA and Russia have been doing it for over 70 years.
Have you any idea about the different types of reactors?
You don't know what you're talking about.

You have a problem with comprehension.

I'd hazard a guess your knowledge of types of reactors is simply Google/Wiki.

Are you saying no professionals in this country are capable of being trained to proficiency in reactor technology and how to build them?

We are buying nuclear subs from the US ... who is going to teach our naval personnel to operate them?

Your logic is the same as the employer saying to a young job applicant they can't have a certain job because they have no experience.
You(no one)get experience when you do the job, every one has to start somewhere to gain experience.

Idiots like you down playing the capabilities of Australians in professional spheres is laughable.

Educate yourself you numpty.

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2010/06/australia...

https://www.weekendnotes.com/60-great-australian-inventions/

https://thebrilliant.com/case-studies/34-australian-inventions-changing-your-lif...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 105219 Melbourne Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #96 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:09pm Dear Mods, Gnads called me a numpty.
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #97 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:21am:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

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And it would be far easier to mobilise a workforce for 1 power station

What makes you think that? How many people do you think are needed to build a modern nuclear power station?

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in a coastal or near coastal location

How many of Dutton's proposed sites are on the coast? Do you think the workers are going to be commuting from a capital city?

Do you have any kind of awareness of the logistical difficulties associated with such large projects?

Ask yourself that about all the regional remote wind & solar farm projects.

They are all on a much smaller scale. Let me dumb this down as much as possible for you. Do you understand the logistical difficulty in getting a huge number of workers at the same remote site at the same time?

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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #98 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:35pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 1:48pm:

You have a problem with comprehension.

I'd hazard a guess your knowledge of types of reactors is simply Google/Wiki.

Are you saying no professionals in this country are capable of being trained to proficiency in reactor technology and how to build them?

We are buying nuclear subs from the US ... who is going to teach our naval personnel to operate them?

Your logic is the same as the employer saying to a young job applicant they can't have a certain job because they have no experience.
You(no one)get experience when you do the job, every one has to start somewhere to gain experience.

Idiots like you down playing the capabilities of Australians in professional spheres is laughable.

Educate yourself you numpty.

https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2010/06/australia...

https://www.weekendnotes.com/60-great-australian-inventions/

https://thebrilliant.com/case-studies/34-australian-inventions-changing-your-lif...

Listen you numpty - we have almost zero experience with nuclear power stations. Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17669 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #99 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:03pm freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm: Do you understand the logistical difficulty in getting a huge number of workers at the same remote site at the same time? You mean like FIFO's? DIDO's? ( Drive in, Drive Out).
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74619 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #100 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:08pm Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:51am: We are talking the industrial scale wind & solar projects around the country. which require electricians and mechanical engineers, industries we have extensive experience with and of which we have extensive trained personnel to draw from.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74619 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #101 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:10pm lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:03pm: You mean like FIFO's? DIDO's? ( we've had a a mining industry to train and draw experience from for centuries. We don't have anyone to draw personnel from in regards to nuclear
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Re: high price tag for nuclear
Reply #102 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:13pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:08pm:

which require electricians and mechanical engineers, industries we have extensive experience with and of which we have extensive trained personnel to draw from.

"Electrician Shortage in Australia: Why Now is the Perfect Time to Become an Electrical Apprentice"

https://egt.net.au/news-insights/electrician-shortage-in-australia-why-now-is-th...

"Engineers Australia released the Statistical Overview of the Engineering Profession report, shedding light on the concerning state of Australia's engineering workforce. "

https://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/news-and-media/2023/12/new-report-reveals-...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17669 Gender:	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #103 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:14pm John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:10pm: We don't have anyone to draw personnel from in regards to nuclear And there are no skilled migrants? Where do you think those electricians and engineers are going to come from?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49062 At my desk.	Re: high price tag for nuclear Reply #104 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:28pm lee wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 3:03pm: freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:32pm: Do you understand the logistical difficulty in getting a huge number of workers at the same remote site at the same time? You mean like FIFO's? DIDO's? ( Drive in, Drive Out). Yeah. All those really high paying jobs.
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