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Reply #30 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 11:22am
 
Interesting that the catchment areas for most of the proposed Nuclear sites are in the areas experiencing the decline in rainfall.

What could possibly go wrong.
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Reply #31 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 11:38am
 
LOL, the Bradfield scheme might get implemented or we need one SMR to power all the massive reverse osmosis water purifying installations needed to turn seawater into fresh water!
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Reply #32 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 10:22am:
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heres the graph of drought conditions for europe for the last century

doesnt look like much of a "trend"


And yet there is a trend line in your plot. Honestly scoot, your strawmen are getting stupider by the day.




really?

i think you suffer from "imaginitis"
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Reply #33 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:45pm
 
The summer was underwhelming for rainfall, here. But other places saw heavy rain totals. This was during an El Nino phase. The last two days here have been consistent rainfall during our (Rockhampton's) dry season. I wish we had more days like this during the summer months.

I spent time in 2010/2011 where we got about 1600mm of rainfall for the year. Another year, we only saw 270mm of rainfall (helped by a late December rainfall). We are expected to enter a La Nina phase by the end of the year. And when we get to that point, it is expected that we have flooding rainfall.
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Reply #34 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:51pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 11:38am:
LOL, the Bradfield scheme might get implemented or we need one SMR to power all the massive reverse osmosis water purifying installations needed to turn seawater into fresh water!


The Bradfield scheme is one big waste of time and resources. It won't be implemented. Better to spend billions on developing an inland river system so that the rainfall that is received out west will not pool in few locations. Make some dams and have river systems that do exist to be channeled into them. Ideally, this can be near townships.
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Reply #35 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:57pm
 
With this less rainfall  - it is amazing that crop yields keep increasing.
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Reply #36 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:00pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
With this less rainfall  - it is amazing that crop yields keep increasing.


Better farming practices.
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Reply #37 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:33pm
 
Yep. So rainfall is NOT the be all and end all.
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Reply #38 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:37pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:33pm:
Yep. So rainfall is NOT the be all and end all.


Our farmers developed a work ethic that they have to be obsessive-compulsive about how they farm. They cannot just rely on it raining every week to keep from suffering drought conditions.

The only way our farmers would have better crop yields would be if a volcano sprouted up off the west coast of Australia and started spewing volcanic ash for a week of every year.
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Reply #39 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:51pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 10:22am:
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heres the graph of drought conditions for europe for the last century

doesnt look like much of a "trend"


And yet there is a trend line in your plot. Honestly scoot, your strawmen are getting stupider by the day.




really?

i think you suffer from "imaginitis"


Grin

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It's the black dashed line scoot.

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Reply #40 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:55pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
lee wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
With this less rainfall  - it is amazing that crop yields keep increasing.


Better farming practices.



yields are ok but the price of crops (and hence the price of food for urban consumers ) is going to climb very steeply.

1 the AVERAGE age of a farmer in australia is now 60 and many are about to retire
2 the younger generation DO NOT want to work the land
3 energy prices are the main cost of input now, electricity for running irrigators is extremely expensive
4 water prices are going to go up a lot (i am currently on a licence to pump whatever i like, this is changing in the next few years to compulsory meters , which we have to pay for, and a charge per megalitre
5 fertiliser and herbicide costs have increased a lot as these are generally relient on the petro chemical industry
6  the biosecurity costs around fire ants which are being passed over to the producer are significant
7  labor is hard to secure
8  the value of the land is very high (farmers are very asset rich and cash flow poor).  as urban folk continue to bid up rural prices with a tree change, many productive farmers will cash out and the land will become non productive back yard 
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Reply #41 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 2:04pm
 
My own daughter works on a farm, and she is also a nurse with Queensland Health. Even if she works long hours in the hospital, she also makes time to help her partner on the property she lives.
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Reply #42 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 3:44pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
lee wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
With this less rainfall  - it is amazing that crop yields keep increasing.


Better farming practices.



yields are ok but the price of crops (and hence the price of food for urban consumers ) is going to climb very steeply.

1 the AVERAGE age of a farmer in australia is now 60 and many are about to retire
2 the younger generation DO NOT want to work the land
3 energy prices are the main cost of input now, electricity for running irrigators is extremely expensive
4 water prices are going to go up a lot (i am currently on a licence to pump whatever i like, this is changing in the next few years to compulsory meters , which we have to pay for, and a charge per megalitre
5 fertiliser and herbicide costs have increased a lot as these are generally relient on the petro chemical industry
6  the biosecurity costs around fire ants which are being passed over to the producer are significant
7  labor is hard to secure
8  the value of the land is very high (farmers are very asset rich and cash flow poor).  as urban folk continue to bid up rural prices with a tree change, many productive farmers will cash out and the land will become non productive back yard 


This has been going on since the industrial revolution. Food has gotten cheaper. It used to be that close to 100% of human effort was devoted to feeding ourselves. No-one is taking up farming because that number is now just a few percent and still dropping.
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Reply #43 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 3:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:51pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 10:22am:
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heres the graph of drought conditions for europe for the last century

doesnt look like much of a "trend"


And yet there is a trend line in your plot. Honestly scoot, your strawmen are getting stupider by the day.




really?

i think you suffer from "imaginitis"


Grin

Own goal.

It's the black dashed line scoot.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/european_drought.jpg


are you channelling John Smith
Percentage of Europe experiencing moderate drought conditions during the 20th century
the black line shows that on average, 20 % of europe experiences drought each year and the TREND line shows that it was 20 % a century ago and 20 % at the end of the century.  ie   there is no more drought today then 100 yrs ago (at least in europe).

please re read and apolgise Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed
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Reply #44 - Jun 27th, 2024 at 4:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 3:44pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:55pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 1:00pm:
lee wrote on Jun 27th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
With this less rainfall  - it is amazing that crop yields keep increasing.


Better farming practices.



yields are ok but the price of crops (and hence the price of food for urban consumers ) is going to climb very steeply.

1 the AVERAGE age of a farmer in australia is now 60 and many are about to retire
2 the younger generation DO NOT want to work the land
3 energy prices are the main cost of input now, electricity for running irrigators is extremely expensive
4 water prices are going to go up a lot (i am currently on a licence to pump whatever i like, this is changing in the next few years to compulsory meters , which we have to pay for, and a charge per megalitre
5 fertiliser and herbicide costs have increased a lot as these are generally relient on the petro chemical industry
6  the biosecurity costs around fire ants which are being passed over to the producer are significant
7  labor is hard to secure
8  the value of the land is very high (farmers are very asset rich and cash flow poor).  as urban folk continue to bid up rural prices with a tree change, many productive farmers will cash out and the land will become non productive back yard 


This has been going on since the industrial revolution. Food has gotten cheaper. It used to be that close to 100% of human effort was devoted to feeding ourselves. No-one is taking up farming because that number is now just a few percent and still dropping.


garbage food has gotten cheaper.

and hence health has suffered

The University of Southern Queensland associate professor says Australian farmers are seeing steep increases in expenses.

Dr Lyons said costs had increased roughly 30-to-60 per cent in the past five years, largely due to fuel and stronger industrial relations laws.


In comparison, Dr Lyons said tinned produce was typically done very cheaply overseas in enormous quantities by large conglomerates.

He said canned food had a much longer shelf life, meaning it was easier to produce and store in bulk without worrying about spoilage.

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