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Jun 28th, 2024 at 10:33am
 
‘’Dairy farmers in Denmark face having to pay an annual tax of 672 krone ($145) per cow for the planet-heating emissions they generate.
The country's coalition government agreed this week to introduce the world's first carbon emissions tax on agriculture. It will mean new levies on livestock starting in 2030.
Denmark is a major dairy and pork exporter, and agriculture is the country's biggest source of emissions. The coalition agreement – which also entails investing 40 billion krone ($8.6 billion) in measures such as reforestation and establishing wetlands – is aimed at helping the country meet its climate goals.’’
https://www.9news.com.au/world/worlds-first-carbon-tax-on-livestock-will-cost-farmers-100-dollars-per-cow/48a94ca0-c946-4d8a-afe3-430fc2f089a6
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Reply #1 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 10:37am
 
We should do the same. After we implement a tax on industrial emissions.
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Reply #2 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 12:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 10:37am:
We should do the same.


Even when the emissions are less than CO2 turnover? We are all carbon based. Cows eat grass, carbon, Digestion causes carbon gases. No chemical reaction is one hundred percent. Ergo less CO2 from sequestrated carbon.
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Reply #3 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:04pm
 
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Even when the emissions are less than CO2 turnover?


Do you know what that means?

It is methane from cattle that is the problem.
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Reply #4 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:32pm
 
My Papua has a New Guinea should be putting a Tax on nations like Denmark and many more for providing 'Fresh Air' and improving the quality of the atmosphere.
They have Trees, not Cows and the world should be paying tax to nations like them and Guyana and many more.
Who knows - Brazil might want to cash in and tear up their farms with their famous Bull Riders and start planting a Rainforest.  Wink
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Reply #5 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:04pm:
Do you know what that means?


Yes petal. CO2 turnover is CO2 in, less CO2 out. Capiche?

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:04pm:
It is methane from cattle that is the problem.


Nope. Methane is one of the CO2 derivative gases, (CH4). It rapidly decomposes in the atmosphere to CO2 and water. It is only in DRY air that it takes 7 years apparently to decompose..
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Reply #6 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 7:32pm
 
cow tax  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

next thing you know , Bill gates will be investing billions in artificial meat
Undecided Undecided Undecided

wait a minute  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #7 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 7:42pm
 
When you see something like a tax on cow farts the old joke that one day we may all be taxed for the air we breathe doesn't seem so far fetched after all.

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Reply #8 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 8:42pm
 
lee wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 5:58pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:04pm:
Do you know what that means?


Yes petal. CO2 turnover is CO2 in, less CO2 out. Capiche?

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 1:04pm:
It is methane from cattle that is the problem.


Nope. Methane is one of the CO2 derivative gases, (CH4). It rapidly decomposes in the atmosphere to CO2 and water. It is only in DRY air that it takes 7 years apparently to decompose..


They do not want to put the tax on cows because of the CO2 they breath out. It is because of the methane they produce.

I realise you are a coalition cheerleader, but you could at least make some effort to get your facts straight.
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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2024 at 9:02pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
They do not want to put the tax on cows because of the CO2 they breath out. It is because of the methane they produce.


Yes petal That's what numpty's do. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

freediver wrote on Jun 28th, 2024 at 8:42pm:
I realise you are a coalition cheerleader, but you could at least make some effort to get your facts straight.


I gave you the facts. Perhaps you could write a dissertation, with references, showing me I am wrong. Wink

Here is a sampler for you -

"Models of the global carbon cycle typically include plants, microbes,
soil, and the atmosphere. But they may be leaving out an important
variable: Animals, from earthworms to elephants, can have a significant, though heretofore little-studied, influence on how carbon is captured and stored in ecosystems.
A new theoretical framework, published in the Journal of Geophysical
Research: Biogeosciences by Matteo Rizzuto and colleagues, offers a road map for including animals in carbon cycle models. Their work shows that adding both herbivores and predators to such models significantly alters both the amount and the dynamics of carbon cycling.
Future modeling of carbon dynamics, important for understanding
climate change and designing nature-based carbon sequestration
projects, should take animals into consideration as well, researchers
argue.
Animals affect carbon cycling directly by eating plants or by eating other animals that eat plants. By producing waste, respiring, and even trampling leaves on the forest floor, they also indirectly speed up the rate at which nutrients—including carbon—are recycled. Overall, the authors found, on average, a twofold increase in ecosystem carbon sequestration when animals were included in their carbon cycle model.
By pairing an ecosystem compartment model (which considers plant,
animal, and soil microbial trophic compartments) with a traditional
1/3 carbon modeling approach, the authors found noteworthy increases in both primary productivity (i.e., plant growth) and carbon sequestration, as well as changes to carbon cycle dynamics, when animals are included in carbon models.
Importantly, these effects can be complex and are mediated by feedback loops that are still not completely understood. For example, a scenario that includes herbivores but not predators showed the highest levels of carbon sequestration. Adding in predators decreased overall carbon sequestration, though it remained higher than a scenario with no animals.".

https://phys.org/news/2024-04-animals-global-carbon.pdf

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Reply #10 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 6:34am
 
thanks for that lee

grass actually responds to being grazed by growing more vigorously (both the ntugging of the ruminant and the chemicals in saliva).

thus grazing increases carbon uptake and sequstration.


picture below shows a paddock grazed and part of it left alone

grazed is much higher (a paradox)

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Reply #11 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 6:35am
 
no cattle
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Reply #12 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 6:40am
 
after freediver learns how to read a graph he could do a course in regenerative agriculture


the consequence of a cow tax will be the promotion  of feedlots to achieve efficiency of scale

feedlots do not have this benefit

they are more inhumane

there is a much larger feces concentraion and anearobic breakdown

there are carbon inputs to mow paddocks and transport feed (often GM corn)

mowing does NOT make grass grow higher. it turns it into lawn

then you have to plough it and fertilise it (more carbon inputs)


when you fight mother nature you lose but only 100 % of the time

small grass fed farms are better in almost every way then mega farms

and things like a cow tax will benefit only the mega farms
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Reply #13 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 6:55am
 
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the consequence of a cow tax will be the promotion  of feedlots to achieve efficiency of scale


No it won't. Do all coalition supporters just make it up as they go along?
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Reply #14 - Jun 29th, 2024 at 7:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 29th, 2024 at 6:55am:
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the consequence of a cow tax will be the promotion  of feedlots to achieve efficiency of scale


No it won't. Do all coalition supporters just make it up as they go along?



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