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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #60 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:30pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:49pm:

Building a wind turbine or nuclear power station by itself guarantees nothing.

With a nuclear plant you are not relying on an intermittent energy resource. Roll Eyes

Look at the latest wind metric -

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/27/night-time-wind-power-fails-across-the-entire-continent-of-australia/
http://www.bom.gov.au/difacs/IDX0894.gif
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Not much pressure gradient equals not much wind - Australia wide.

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Reply #61 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:24am

lee wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:49pm:

Building a wind turbine or nuclear power station by itself guarantees nothing.

With a nuclear plant you are not relying on an intermittent energy resource. Roll Eyes

Look at the latest wind metric -

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/27/night-time-wind-power-fails-across-the-en...
http://www.bom.gov.au/difacs/IDX0894.gif
or from BoM

Not much pressure gradient equals not much wind - Australia wide.

Do try to keep up Lee. We were talking about reducing GHG emissions.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17224 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #62 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:55pm freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:24am: We were talking about reducing GHG emissions. Yes. And nuclear does that. Lithium batteries over their lifetime doesn't. And I showed wind power isn't capable of anything with those blocking highs. Do try to keep up.
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Reply #63 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:07pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

I notice FD started this topic in General not Environment.

Environment is a wasteland where the environment is never discussed.

Time for FD to boot Booby as Mod there. I suggest he appoint Sad Kangaroo as new Mod of Environment. Even part time Sad will do a 1000% better job.

That and a crackdown on racism, abuse etc—actually applying the rules—will give OzPol a chance to recover.

One way to encourage the little twerp to surrender the modship of Environment would be to move his “Cats and Critters topics now here” to the “Cats and Critters” MRB.

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #64 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:26pm

lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:24am:

We were talking about reducing GHG emissions.

Yes. And nuclear does that.

Like I said, by itself it guarantees nothing. Same as wind and solar. It produces more electricity, that's all. This is what the narrow minded approach of the coalition completely misses when it comes to finding the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17224 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #65 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:44pm freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:26pm: Like I said, by itself it guarantees nothing. So nuclear increases GHG's?
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Reply #66 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:39am

lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

Like I said, by itself it guarantees nothing.

So nuclear increases GHG's? Grin

I cannot dumb it down any more for you Lee. You do know that there are huge GHG emissions associated with the construction of a nuclear power plant, right?

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Reply #67 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:24pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

. You do know that there are huge GHG emissions associated with the construction of a nuclear power plant, right?

There are emissions, just like there is in the construction of solar panels and wind turbines. Now compare 7 nuclear plants to thousands of solar panels and hundreds of wind turbines. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48816 At my desk.	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #68 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:10am It has nothing to do with a comparison Lee. I was talking about whether building a new power source guarantees reduced overall emissions. It doesn't. There are plenty of countries, including Australia, that are building lots of renewables, or even lots of nuclear power, and their emissions are going up.
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29104 Gender:	Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions Reply #69 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:44am freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:44pm: Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:14pm: A carbon tax & carbon offsets is just smoke & mirrors nonsense. What makes you think that? Charging a fee/tax that allows someone to continue to pollute?
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Reply #70 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:47am

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:07pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

I notice FD started this topic in General not Environment.

Environment is a wasteland where the environment is never discussed.

Time for FD to boot Booby as Mod there. I suggest he appoint Sad Kangaroo as new Mod of Environment. Even part time Sad will do a 1000% better job.

That and a crackdown on racism, abuse etc—actually applying the rules—will give OzPol a chance to recover.

One way to encourage the little twerp to surrender the modship of Environment would be to move his “Cats and Critters topics now here” to the “Cats and Critters” MRB.

because you run it and he's banned from your MRB .... yeah? Roll Eyes

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #71 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:49am

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:39am:

lee wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:44pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:26pm:

Like I said, by itself it guarantees nothing.

So nuclear increases GHG's? Grin

I cannot dumb it down any more for you Lee. You do know that there are huge GHG emissions associated with the construction of a nuclear power plant, right?

As there is for your renewables projects with wind & solar.

And they have a far bigger footprint.

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #72 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:00am

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:14pm:

A carbon tax & carbon offsets is just smoke & mirrors nonsense.

What makes you think that?

Charging a fee/tax that allows someone to continue to pollute?

Are you trying to say something Gnads, or are you asking me what a tax is?

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #73 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:10am

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:14pm:

A carbon tax & carbon offsets is just smoke & mirrors nonsense.

What makes you think that?

Charging a fee/tax that allows someone to continue to pollute?

Are you trying to say something Gnads, or are you asking me what a tax is?

Are you just being an obtuse tnuc again?

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Re: the cheapest way to reduce GHG emissions
Reply #74 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:29am

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:10am:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:44pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:14pm:

A carbon tax & carbon offsets is just smoke & mirrors nonsense.

What makes you think that?

Charging a fee/tax that allows someone to continue to pollute?

Are you trying to say something Gnads, or are you asking me what a tax is?

Are you just being an obtuse tnuc again?

I am trying to get you to actually say what you are saying, rather than expecting everyone else to guess. My guess is that you are reluctant actually say it, because you know it is BS. So you tapdance instead.

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