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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #165 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:06pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:53am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

More fool you.

Her parroting "from the river to the sea", is an anti-semitic slogan .... the sharp rise in anti-semitism in this country has been encouraged by her.

The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas and they along with other terror Islamic groups & countries want the Israeli state and it's Jewish people driven into the sea.

Her support for the so called 2 state solution is misguided because in reality that's not what the Islamists want.

Her increased support for Palestine since the Oct 7 attacks by Hamas is foolish & telling of her memory loss as to how & why she and her family now live in Australia.

Fleeing the strife torn Islamic hell hole of Afghanistan run by the Taliban she is now endorsing a similar styled regime to run a new state called Palestine. Oh the irony.

If she doesn't want to be a team player with an obvious left leaning govt & remain openly defiant of their rules regarding party unity then she should resign and join the looney Greens or resign and rerun as an Independent.

So far the ALPs sanctioning of her even though pressured) has been the only sensible decision Labor has made since Albanese took the helm.

Of course now she's in the media playing the emotional blackmail card saying she's been "exiled" and intimidated/bullied by her own party. Grin

She needs to take responsibility for the outcomes of her decisions .... not blame others.

Horseshit. It might be anti the aggressive State of Israel, but not anti Jew.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #166 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:09pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you got any questions to ask me Brian? Or are you afraid of that also?

If he has, it would be a complete waste of time. You have never answered a question. You have always been a half smart arse running around misrepresenting what your Members have said.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #168 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:11pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Thank you.
It's a decent point you make.

If her Afghanistan citizenship isn't cancel ( from no fault her own) she is a dual citizenship holder!

Should not be sworn into government! Who granted the exemption and how ?
Oh please let it be king Albo and his faceless men!
The irony will be breathtaking!
Why the Jakie lambe hate?

I don't hate Jackie Lambie .... I just think she, like Thorpe & now Payman ... were selected into their political roles/positions by registered political parties ... so they got on on those party tickets..

they were to represent those parties ideals.

Thorpe - Greens
Lambie - Palmer United
Payman - ALP.

In my honest opinion if they resign from those parties then they should forfeit their position as they no longer represent those who saw them into office.

If they want to remain - a by-election should be held to see if they can retain their seats as Independents.

That they are allowed to stay on as Independent MPs or Senators is ridiculous.

It's like me resigning my job and my employer having to continue to pay me for 4 years afterwards.

Totally agree.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38514 Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #169 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 6:25pm freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:10pm: Aussie how do you interpret Fati's proclamation "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"? Is that a question, Effendi?
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #170 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #171 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #173 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #175 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:26pm

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

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Reply #177 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:19am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

I'm not even sure what Islamophobia means. Do you suffer from Naziphobia? I think Islam is a dangerous and oppressive ideology, if that's what you mean. It is responsible for more suffering in the modern world than any other ideology (thanks to the collapse of communism).

What do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

So that's a yes then.

The truth will set you free, Fleadriver.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35195 Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #178 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it. Explain.
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Reply #179 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

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