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Brian Ross
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Aquarius wrote on Jul 16 th, 2024 at 2:05pm: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16 th, 2024 at 12:59pm: Aquarius wrote on Jul 16 th, 2024 at 12:50pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15 th, 2024 at 2:41pm: freediver wrote on Jul 15 th, 2024 at 2:33pm: thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15 th, 2024 at 2:19pm: Yadda wrote on Jul 1 st, 2024 at 9:10am:
Fatima Payman is a good moslem.
Indeed she is. And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels". Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ). And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago. After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine. Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims. And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it. So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold? No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness...as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran. I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an. You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina. In this way, Mohammed and his followers became the first immigrants. But once he had become more powerful and gained the numbers in Medina and had defeated the very people who took him in and gave him protection, he started to write all the nasty stuff in the Qur'an. Mohammed said that if there are conflicting messages in the Qur'an, then the last written is the true version that supercedes the earlier version and this is what muslims are to follow. Unfortunately for the unbelievers, that is generally all the nasty stuff from Medina - and that is the version the clerics and scholars of Islam preach. Mohammed's message to his followers is to migrate into new areas, seek protection, and then when you have enough supporters and power, you kill and defeat your protectors, you take their land and you install Islam as the only religion.The most fundamental requirement of all mussos is immigration jihad. Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting. Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers Mohammed was illiterate, he wrote nothing. The Qur'an was compiled after his death from scraps of written material made by his followers. Tsk, tsk, tsk...  We know that Mohammed was illiterate as were most people in the 6th and 7th century. That is why I wrote "when the Qur'an was written" and not "when Mohammed wrote the Qur'an." Allah explains in the Qur'an that He revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad and went further explaining the purpose of the Quran. “This is a blessed book which we have revealed to you (O Muhammad), that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded…” [Noble Quran 38:29] Mohammed's scribes recorded what he revealed to them. Apparently he had 45 over his lifetime. Personally it's just a load of mumbo jumbo. But try to tell that to Fatima Payman .... or anyone down at Lakemba Mosque and see if you come away in one piece. Funny, you said, "he started to write" which implies you or the original authour believed Mohammed wrote the Qur'an personally. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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