Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 5:51pm:

And lo, the refuge of Brian.[plus a ‘tsk’ or three.].

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:10pm:


Have you realised yet how stupid this sounds Brian?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:


The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran). 

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Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.


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Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation  of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning  attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence. 

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have  created the other state (in the Partition)  for Muslims.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:


Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So:  extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine;  versus myself who is not into rape and  pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be  part of the Palestinian state. 

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Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not? 

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:


No, and the Arabs didn't slaughter them either, why would they?

google

The province of Palaestina Secunda was a thriving center of Judaism through the 4th and 5th centuries, where the Jerusalem Talmud was compiled. The primary Jewish authority, the Sanhedrin, existed in Tiberias until the early 5th century, before being abolished by the Byzantine authorities.

...ie, 2 centuries before the arrival of the Muslim Arabs.

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2024 at 2:21pm:


You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs because the Byzantines had abolished Judaism in the early 5th century AD (2 centuries before the Muslims arrived). 

I well know what's in the Koran - and in the Jewish Bible  (ie the OT); certain passages in both need to be heavily proscribed by the UNGA eg in the OT, the mythology of "The Promised Land" and "The Chosen People". 

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 11:52am:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(636%E2%80%93637)

Depending on the sources, in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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You are confused as usual; Jews jumped at the UN partition plans in 1947, of course - just as they welcomed the end of Christian Byzantine rule in 637/8,  as noted above. 

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Only those Jews who rejected Islam....