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Reply #330 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

[quote]#312.

That was an explanation given by a different person who said something different.

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Payman agrees with it, since she is arguing for the recognition of Palestine alongside Israel NOW, according to UN res 242 - unlike Netanyahu who wants Israel "from the river to the sea".

[quote]Point is, why can you not think for yourself?

Laughable. I have exposed the foolishness of your blind "freedom ideology" including the 'it's Israel's land' crap.

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Why can none of the other spineless apologists think for themselves?

Ask them - but unlike you, most CAN think for themselves, which is why they despise the US fundamentalist Jewish- RW Christian "Promised Land" mythology.

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You are all too eager to tell us what Fati really wants and put words in her mouth, but you run away from offering an opinion on what she has actually said.

She said she wants recognition of Palestine now, knowing full well the UN recognizes Israel according to UN res 242.

Therefore she is NOT arguing for 'Palestine from the river to the sea' but she is agreeing with the "person who said something different" (your words).

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You are correct that you have come the closest - you offered someone else's opinion on some other comment made by someone else. But that just proves my point.

Wrong conclusion as usual, and exposed above.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #331 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:23pm You are doing a lot of tapdancing TGD, but do you have your own opinion one what Fati actually said, or can you only give us someone else's opinion on what someone else said? Quote: She said she wants recognition of Palestine now Do you need me to quote it again?
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Reply #332 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:29pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:23pm:

You are doing a lot of tapdancing TGD,

So says the blind "freedom values" ideologue...

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but do you have your own opinion one what Fati actually said, or can you only give us someone else's opinion on what someone else said?

Both already answered in my previous post; your criippled brain is painfully evident.

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She said she wants recognition of Palestine now.
Do you need me to quote it again?

I need you - and Netanyahu - to understand it.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #333 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:57pm I see I need to quote it for you again. This is what she actually said: Quote: from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free Are you, or any of the other spineless apologists, allowed to have your own opinion on what she meant?
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Reply #334 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 2:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

I see I need to quote it for you again. This is what she actually said:

from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

Are you, or any of the other spineless apologists, allowed to have your own opinion on what she meant?

Yes, as I already confirmed: the Palestinian state will be free, regardless of the interpretation of "from the river to the sea" by blind ideologues like you and Netanyahu.

Andy McDonald: “We won’t rest until we have justice. Until all people, Israelis & Palestinians, between the river & the sea can live in peaceful liberty,” he tweeted.

...referring to the land previously known as Palestine, before the botched Partition by the UN...all of which is now claimed by Netanyahu for Israel, despite the fact that will never result in peace in Palestine or Israel.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #335 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm Quote: the Palestinian state will be free What does that even mean? I realise you are hostile to freedom on a fundamental level, but you at least seem to attach a meaning to it. Or are you clueless to the meaning and hoping that merely parroting Fati will substitute for having an opinion of your own?
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Reply #336 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 6:24pm

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2024 at 3:06pm:

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the Palestinian state will be free

What does that even mean?

It means

1. It will be recognized,

2. it will be free of Israeli occupation and oppression.

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I realise you are hostile to freedom on a fundamental level, but you at least seem to attach a meaning to it.

Thank you - though I see the UN UDHR as representing freedom, not delusional "individual rights" ideology.

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Or are you clueless to the meaning and hoping that merely parroting Fati will substitute for having an opinion of your own?

Explained above (...once again, for your "freedom values"-blinded brain).

I accept your concession.

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Reply #337 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

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1. It will be recognized,

We recognise it every time we refer to it as Palestine. This is what you and the CCP want to achieve. It is not what Muslims mean.

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2. it will be free of Israeli occupation and oppression.

Free to slaughter more Jews? Because that is what happens every time the Israelis leave them to their own devices. People tend to be "aggressive" towards you if you try to commit genocide.

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Reply #338 - Jul 30^th, 2024 at 9:03pm

I told Albo two days ago that his plan to have a ceasefire to save the Gazans (note the term - not Palestinians - not drawn into that form of acceptance) would only move the violence and undue death back into Israel. He knows that in his water... but he keeps playing lipsynch to the Muslims for their votes... a great argument for starting our immigration wind-down right there...

Bogus!! (Bill and Ted's Bogus Adventure is on TV to compete with the Olympics).... we need some politicians with real balls to stand up and stop licking the nuts of the feminists, the minorities and the Aborigines....

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Reply #339 - Jul 31^st, 2024 at 11:16am

freediver wrote on Jul 30^th, 2024 at 8:15pm:

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1. It will be recognized,

We recognise it every time we refer to it as Palestine. This is what you and the CCP want to achieve. It is not what Muslims mean.

Wrong again: recognition involves creation of the machinery required for an independent state, in this case defined by UN res. 242

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it will be free of Israeli occupation and oppression

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Free to slaughter more Jews?

No.

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Because that is what happens every time the Israelis leave them to their own devices. People tend to be "aggressive" towards you if you try to commit genocide.

("genocide"...funny, don't look in the mirror - the ICJ is looking at Israel....).

The Israelis have never left them to their own devices; the WB has been occupied since 1967, and Gaza was/is the world's largest open air prison, now destroyed.

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Reply #340 - Jul 31^st, 2024 at 1:01pm

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Wrong again: recognition involves creation of the machinery required for an independent state, in this case defined by UN res. 242

And you think this is what Fati meant, coincidentally the same thing you parrot about Palestine constantly? Most children develop theory of mind around 4 to 5 years old.

What do you think the "river to the sea" bit means?

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The Israelis have never left them to their own devices

Because they do not want to die.

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Reply #341 - Jul 31^st, 2024 at 8:06pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2024 at 1:01pm:

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Wrong again: recognition involves creation of the machinery required for an independent state, in this case defined by UN res. 242

And you think this is what Fati meant, coincidentally the same thing you parrot about Palestine constantly? Most children develop theory of mind around 4 to 5 years old.

What do you think the "river to the sea" bit means?

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The Israelis have never left them to their own devices

Because they do not want to die.

Let's assume 'river to the sea' means exactly what you are suggesting it means.

Maybe they say that, even believe that, "Because they do not want to die."

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Reply #343 - Aug 1^st, 2024 at 12:03pm

freediver wrote on Jul 31^st, 2024 at 1:01pm:

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Wrong again: recognition involves creation of the machinery required for an independent state, in this case defined by UN res. 242

And you think this is what Fati meant, coincidentally the same thing you parrot about Palestine constantly?

Yes

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Most children develop theory of mind around 4 to 5 years old.

Except when they turn into delusional "freedom values" ideologues like you, who think it's ok to ignore international law including UN res 242.

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What do you think the "river to the sea" bit means?

Already answered ...are you dementing?

As said by Andy McDonald, it means peace in Palestine 'from the river to the sea'.

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Because they do not want to die.

Then they better implement UN res 242; peace is inpossible without it - as noted by the UK's UN ambassador today, agreeing with the UN chief.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #344 - Aug 1^st, 2024 at 12:26pm So you think the river to the sea refers to enforcing a UN resolution?
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