johnblack wrote on Aug 11
th, 2024 at 10:01pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Aug 11
th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
johnblack wrote on Aug 11
th, 2024 at 12:57pm:
the term "good mozlem" is an oxymoron.
And yet Islam is based on the same "true" god - Yahweh/ Allah - as Judaism, the "jealous god" who authourized genocide.
And Christianity is caught up in that nightmare because Christians converted Christ into a god (via the 'Trinity' mental gymnastics) - Jahweh, in fact. ....against the teachings of the early church father Marcion who rejected the OT and Jahweh as incompatible with Christ 'The Prince of Peace".
So today we have adherents of all three religions claiming they are religions of peace.And your comment directed to Islam alone is ignorant at best.
Fatima certainly believes Islam is a religion of peace, though like you she is not looking at the complete picture.
no, judaism and christianity have the same god, the god of israel.
Except that Jews reject Jesus as god...which is why Christian Europe hated Jews for centuries.
Quote:but islam has a false god of a false murderous religion that was created by a sick insane psychopathic paedophile who hijacked scriptures from both the old and new testaments and proclaimed himself to be a prophet..
...the last prophet, in fact, after all the OT prophets
plus Jesus, who Christians turned into a god after Jesus's crucifixion, a deification rejected by Islam ("3 gods (the Trinity) is blasphemous" accordng to the Koran).
Quote:and i'll tell you why allah is not the god of israel...
Just to let you know: Marcian, an early compiler of the evolving NT in the 1st century, rejected the genocidal god of Israel because Jahweh was obviously incompatible with the 'Prince of Peace' (Jesus).
Quote:talking religion here, and the point of it is that you might not believe any of it, but that doesn't matter because the jews and christians do, and then there is the b.s. that the mozlems believe.
Addressed above: Jews (like Moslems) don't believe Jesus is god.
Quote:in the old testament, god promised abraham and sarah that they would have a son, and this son was isaac and to him was the promise of god and his descendants are gods chosen people..
yes.
Quote:one day god told abraham to take his son isaac and sacrifice him, so abraham was about to sacrifice his son when he was stopped by god who said this is your son and he has the promise of god to him and his descendants and all his people, then god ordered a nearby lamb to be sacrificed.
Yes.
Quote:later isaac bore his own son jacob who was later renamed israel...
abraham had another son born to an egyptian maid, he was named ishmael, he became the father of the arab race..
thousands of years later, the son of god jesus was crucified and rose to life again 3 days later, this is the basis for christianity..
Yes.....and the Jews rejected Jesus as god.
Quote:600 years later came the dirty filthy paedophile mohammed, mohammed claimed that isaac was not to be sacrificed by abraham but it was to be ishmael, therefore the chosen people of god were the arabs and that the land of israel should have been theirs, he claimed the jews were the enemy of god and that allah wants them all dead..
Wrong, he claimed Jews who rejected the final revelation of god (the Koran) were infidels, to be put to the sword.
Quote:so here we have the old and new testaments older than islam itself,
Correct: and in the 6th century Muhammud recognized the god of Abraham as the One True God, while he rejected both the OT and NT because he obseved Jews and Christians were arguing with one another re whether Jesus was god ( the Jews rejected Jesus, who Muhammud saw as the last Prophet before himself).
Quote:there are no records of any promise of god to be given to the arabs, and yetallah is suppose to be the same god as the god of israel..
Correct: Muhammud received the final revelation of the god of Abraham (in the Koran), nothing to do with "the 'Chosen People' or the 'Promised Land' (which had ceased to belong to Jews 500 years previously, during Emperor Hadrian's rule of the Roman empire).
Quote:so god is a liar then ?
No.
Quote:he promised the jews were his chosen people but then all of a sudden turned his back on them and gave it to the arabs just because that p00fter mohammed said he did ?
No. In fact Jahweh turned out to be merely another genocidal bronze age god who "turned his back on the Jews" when Israel was subjugated by a succession of world empires. Hence the Jewish dream of a Messiah....but they rejected Jesus.
Quote:and don't believe anything the cattleticks tell you either, thats just another false religion every bit as bad as islam who throughout history murdered and tortured 500 million people.
With Islam rapidly growing into a world religion, like Christianity, unlike Judaism which remained confined to a few millions jews.
[Christianity, when Constantine adopted Christianity as the religion of the empire; Islam by force of arms from Spain to India.
Quote:by the way, YOU are the one who is ignorant
Refuted above....hope this helps.....