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Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

And i would describe Fatima Payman as an obviously, ISLAMICALY, virtuous woman.

Even the way in which Fatima Payman dresses in public, must support the contention,
of her ISLAMIC virtue.

IMAGE.....

Fatima Payman

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Fatima Payman

......Fatima Payman (Persian: born 1995) is an Afghan-born Australian politician.

......
Early life and family

Payman's grandfather was a member of parliament in Afghanistan.[12]

Fatima Payman was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1995[13][14] the eldest of four children,[5] and fled the Taliban for Pakistan with her family when she was five years old.[3]

Her father arrived in Australia via boat in 1999 and spent time in immigration detention, after which he worked as a security guard, kitchen hand and taxi driver, so he could afford to sponsor the migration of his wife and four children.

The rest of the family arrived in Australia in 2003, when she was eight, and settled in Perth.[15] Once in Australia, her mother started a business giving driving lessons.[15] In 2018, her father died of leukemia.[15]

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Education and career

Payman graduated from the Australian Islamic College Perth,
where she was head girl, in 2013.[16] She studied pharmacy, planning to head towards medicine, but instead got involved in politics....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Payman

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

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Australian Islamic College

Australian Islamic College is a multi-campus independent Islamic co-educational primary and secondary day school, located in Perth, Western Australia and Adelaide, South Australia. The school was founded in 1986 by Hajji Abdallah Magar, with 50 students.

As of 2021, it has 4,000 students and over 400 staff spread over sixcampuses, five in the Perth suburbs of Kewdale, Thornlie and Dianella, Henleybrook and Forrestdale and one in the Adelaide suburb of West Croydon.

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Controversies

In 2007, Australian Islamic College was raided by 28 fraud squad officers and ten investigators from the Department of Education, Science and Training investigations unit.[1][2] Abdallah Saad Magar and the Principal Aziz Magdi were charged with fraud offences against the governments of Australia and Western Australia.[1][3]

The charges related to falsifying records to indicate that more students were attending the school than actually were and thereby obtaining money for the school to which they were not entitled.

The amount that was alleged to have been obtained fraudulently was A$3.16 million.[3][4] Both were found guilty in the District Court on 31 March 2010.[5] Abdallah Saad Magar appealed the conviction to the Supreme Court, however his application was denied.[6]

In June 2010, Australian Islamic College posted an article in Wake Up Call, issue 172, written by a year 12 student defending the misappropriation of funds.

The article stated that "when a man does all this [fraud]
for Islam
in the western society, when he does it for the guidance of the Muslim children – I cannot call that fraud".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Islamic_College#Controversies

In ISLAM, theft is a serious crime.

In ISLAMIC Law, serious theft [e.g. A$3.16 million] is a crime, which is nominally punishable by amputation of the hand.

But in ISLAM, we must understand that.....
.....IT IS NOT A CRIME, to steal wealth from infidels.

In ISLAMIC Law, the infidel 'has no rights in law'.

In ISLAMIC Law, the infidel has no 'lawful rights', to his own property.

It can be 'lawfully' stolen, by the follower of ISLAM.

And whenever the follower of ISLAM is doing so [the theft], in order to help to promote the advancement [locally] of ISLAM and ISLAMIC Law,
THAT IS A VIRTUOUS ACT, in ISLAMIC Law.

See. !!!!

ISLAM, is a virtuous religion/philosophy.
/sarc off

.....ask any follower of ISLAM.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #1 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:54am

Anthony Albanese’s weakness and lack of authority are on full display. Whatever precious little prime ministerial authority he had left, he has shown he simply doesn’t know how to use it

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It’s either too much too soon, as in the Indigenous voice to parliament referendum, or too little too late, suspending Western Australian senator Fatima Payman from the Labor caucus indefinitely for defiantly declaring she would continue to defy the PM, government policy and her Labor colleagues.

What should have been a straightforward punishment last week for “ratting” on a Labor vote – a serious suspension at least, and possibly expulsion, given the gravity of the social division exemplified by the anti-Israel motion – was virtually a free pass and a smack in the face for so many Labor MPs and senators.

There was deep resentment within Labor ranks among those with a memory of tough punishments meted out for similar crimes over more than a century.

Lb]abor’s most junior senator sensed the weakness in her leader last week and pushed her personal pro-Greens, Palestine-only cause to the utmost in crossing the floor to vote against Labor policy and her Labor colleagues.

As a young, female Afghani migrant, Muslim and union-backed senator elected with less than 2000 primary votes in 2022, Payman first tested the waters by speaking in support of pro-Palestinian protesters; when nothing happened, she crossed the floor to support a Greens motion only identifying Palestine’s existence.

After initially indicating he would do nothing to Payman for breaking a 130-year-old Labor tradition and “ratting” on Labor in a vote, a view backed by Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles, who excused the action as a “special issue”, Albanese got out the wet lettuce and got her to agree not to attend one parliamentary ALP caucus meeting.

That taught her a lesson. Not.

Albanese’s history as a factional bully boy expelling ALP members over trivial votes at local councils stood in stark contrast to his inability to do more than recuse a junior senator from one partyroom meeting for further dividing Labor on one of the great social issues it faces. The result is now a full-blown crisis in the Senate, a potential union war in WA and yet another cultural and political distraction from what should be Labor’s core task – easing the cost of living.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/anthony-albanese-doesnt-know-ho...

Fatima Taqiyyaman is in the Senate to represent the state of WA, not the non-existent state of Palestine. But her allegiance is to Islam and Hamas, not the infidel sandgropers. Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

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Reply #2 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:38am

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ROGUE SENATOR COPS SUSPENSION
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Rogue Labor senator Fatima Payman has been suspended from the party indefinitely after vowing to continue to cross the floor of parliament in future votes concerning Palestinian statehood.

The first-term West Australian senator was summoned to meet with Anthony Albanese at the PMr’s Canberra residence The Lodge on Sunday afternoon, hours after claiming she would continue to defy the Labor Party’s rules on caucus solidarity by breaking ranks to support recognition of a Palestinian state.

After a 40-minute meeting a federal government spokesman said Senator Payman had “by her own actions and statements placed herself outside the privilege that comes with participating in the federal parliamentary Labor Party caucus”.

“If Senator Payman decides she will respect the caucus and her Labor colleagues, she can return, but until then Senator Payman is suspended from the right to participate in federal parliamentary Labor Party caucus meetings and processes,” the spokesman said.

Senator Payman’s defiance has presented a major leadership test for Mr Albanese, who was criticised for[highlight] initially only giving the Senator a one week ban from caucus meetings [/highlight]after she split from her colleagues to side with the Greens on a Palestinian statehood motion.

Senator Payman said on Sunday she would continue to break Labor’s longstanding principle of party unity, which further angered federal government MPs.

The renegade Senator said she was not aware of any plans by the crossbench to put forward another motion on Palestinian statehood when parliament resumes on Monday – but confirmed if faced with the situation she again “would cross the floor”.

Describing Labor as a party of conscience and champions of human rights, Senator Payman said she had abided by those principles by crossing the floor, a move she believed was also overwhelmingly supported by rank and file members.

The Coalition has criticised Mr Albanese as being weak for not suspending or expelling Senator Payman.

“We have seen social cohesion in this country put under enormous pressure since October 7,” he told the ABC. “We wanted to have that guide our actions in this case, and we didn’t think that it served to go around expelling people for having a particular view on this issue.”

Mr Marles said he did not want to “prejudge” Senator Payman’s future actions, but noted the word “Labor” appeared next to her senate title and with it came an expectation to abide by the party’s longstanding requirement of solidarity in votes.

“I cannot over emphasise enough how important all of us who are members of the team regard the obligations of being a member of the team in terms of the way in which we behave,” he said.

Mr Marles said Labor supported Palestinian statehood in the context of a“two-state solution” which “acknowledges Israel’s right to exist behind
secure borders”.

Senator Payman said she was in favour of the continued existence of Israel
as a Jewish homeland state and a two-state solution but argued it could
not be achieved “without recognising one of those two states”.

Yadda if she was as virtuous as you claim then she would not be sprouting comments like "From the River to the Sea"...

which gives no recognition for the continued existence of Israel.

It is the cry of Jew hating Palestinians and the terrorist group Hamas who also control the Palestinian Authority that is supposed to be the form of Govt in Gaza.

She fled with her parents from a similar regime - The TALIBAN in Afghanistan.....

it would pay well for her to remember that & her parents should be helping her remember.

Or are they also like many muslim migrants who have fled Islamic dictatorships/hell holes to come here still fundamentalist supporting Muslims(or religious hypocrites) above all else and still support what goes on in the ME and in particular their former homelands?

Politicians like her encourage the huge spike in anti-semitism being displayed by pro-Palestinian supporters on University campuses & our streets across the nation.

Palestinian protestors have been harassing, intimidating, attacking Jewish students & citizens and have committed arson and now have vandalised several Anzac memorials around the country.

Time for the full force of the law to be applied & stamp this out.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #3 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 5:25pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:38am:

Yadda if she was as virtuous as you claim then she would not be sprouting comments like "From the River to the Sea"...

which gives no recognition for the continued existence of Israel.

Gnads,

Consider.....
Do you believe that Fatima Payman is wrong and mistaken, in her ways, in her worldview ?

If the answer is yes,
....Don't you also believe that >> your God << is correct, ......in all of His ways ?

[i suppose you could be, one of those atheistic jews.]

Job 34:21
For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.
22 There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Proverbs 5:21
For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings.
22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.
23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray.

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Not so ?

Jeremiah 16:17
For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

Jeremiah 32:19
....thine eyes are open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings:

Gnads,

Don't complain to me about Fatima Payman.

Shouldn't we wait on our God ?

A God of truth.

If we see wickedness, and evil, ....shouldn't we pray ?

Ask Him, for deliverance ?

Gnads,

Tell Him how virtuous you are, in loving Him,
and in obeying His covenant commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Deuteronomy 7:12
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

1 Kings 8:23
And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Psalms 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Gnads,

Tell the God of Israel, how much you love Him.

Tell Him how much you love .......His righteousness.

Tell Him how much you love His righteous commandments.

Why not ?

I don't know, if you are a member of the 'covenant' people.

But what have you got to lose ?

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matthew 19:17
[Jesus said].....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?
Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Q.
If we believe, that we do no harm, .....why do we choose to turn away ?

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Reply #4 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

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Reply #5 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:50pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

Allahu Akhbar, insh'allah.

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Reply #6 - Jul 1^st, 2024 at 8:38pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

I fully agree.

Good to see a politician with some balls and conviction.

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Reply #7 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 12:04am

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

"Fatima Payman is a good moslem"

The bottom line for me, is that Fatima Payman is an individual who has clearly drunk the ISLAMIC kool aid.

The way Fatima Payman dresses in public, 'speaks' unambiguously, to her full embrace of ISLAM and its religious values, and her embrace of ISLAMIC law.

To merely set your eyes upon her [her appearance in public], it is difficult NOT to conclude, that Fatima Payman has embraced all of the unbending religious doctrines of ISLAM.

Religious doctrines which promote the achievement of an ISLAMIC supremacism,
......[it can easily be proven] through the use of rape, murder, tyranny, oppression, and human poverty.

The truth is that ISLAM [as a philosophy] produces,
oppression,
corruption,
and dead bodies.

Proof ???

Look at any ISLAMIC law jurisdiction in this world.

Those ISLAMIC law societies are ALL, nests of oppression, corruption and human poverty.
[....and yes, we will witness, that a number of those regimes, also have control of large oil reserves.
which means that with the vast wealth from those reserves, those regimes are able to 'fabricate' an outward appearance of [internal] prosperity, civility and order.]

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1718444378/12#12
Quote:

ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

- Yadda

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Reply #8 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:33am

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 5:25pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 10:38am:

Yadda if she was as virtuous as you claim then she would not be sprouting comments like "From the River to the Sea"...

which gives no recognition for the continued existence of Israel.

Gnads,

Consider.....
Do you believe that Fatima Payman is wrong and mistaken, in her ways, in her worldview ?

If the answer is yes,
....Don't you also believe that >> your God << is correct, ......in all of His ways ?

[i suppose you could be, one of those atheistic jews.]

Job 34:21
For his eyes are upon the ways of man, and he seeth all his goings.
22 There is no darkness, nor shadow of death, where the workers of iniquity may hide themselves.

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

Psalms 14:2
The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

Proverbs 5:21
For the ways of man are before the eyes of the LORD, and he pondereth all his goings.
22 His own iniquities shall take the wicked himself, and he shall be holden with the cords of his sins.
23 He shall die without instruction; and in the greatness of his folly he shall go astray.

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

Not so ?

Jeremiah 16:17
For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.

Jeremiah 32:19
....thine eyes are open upon all the ways of the sons of men: to give every one according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings:

Gnads,

Don't complain to me about Fatima Payman.

Shouldn't we wait on our God ?

A God of truth.

If we see wickedness, and evil, ....shouldn't we pray ?

Ask Him, for deliverance ?

Gnads,

Tell Him how virtuous you are, in loving Him,
and in obeying His covenant commandments.

Deuteronomy 5:10
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

Deuteronomy 7:12
Wherefore it shall come to pass, if ye hearken to these judgments, and keep, and do them, that the LORD thy God shall keep unto thee the covenant and the mercy which he sware unto thy fathers:

1 Kings 8:23
And he said, LORD God of Israel, there is no God like thee, in heaven above, or on earth beneath, who keepest covenant and mercy with thy servants that walk before thee with all their heart:

Nehemiah 1:5
And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:

Psalms 25:10
All the paths of the LORD are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.

Gnads,

Tell the God of Israel, how much you love Him.

Tell Him how much you love .......His righteousness.

Tell Him how much you love His righteous commandments.

Why not ?

I don't know, if you are a member of the 'covenant' people.

But what have you got to lose ?

1 John 5:2
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Matthew 19:17
[Jesus said].....if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which?
Jesus said,
Thou shalt do no murder,
Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Q.
If we believe, that we do no harm, .....why do we choose to turn away ?

Yes
No

and my commenting wasn't an invitation to a friggin sermon. Roll Eyes

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Reply #9 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:53am

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

More fool you.

Her parroting "from the river to the sea", is an anti-semitic slogan .... the sharp rise in anti-semitism in this country has been encouraged by her.

The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas and they along with other terror Islamic groups & countries want the Israeli state and it's Jewish people driven into the sea.

Her support for the so called 2 state solution is misguided because in reality that's not what the Islamists want.

Her increased support for Palestine since the Oct 7 attacks by Hamas is foolish & telling of her memory loss as to how & why she and her family now live in Australia.

Fleeing the strife torn Islamic hell hole of Afghanistan run by the Taliban she is now endorsing a similar styled regime to run a new state called Palestine. Oh the irony.

If she doesn't want to be a team player with an obvious left leaning govt & remain openly defiant of their rules regarding party unity then she should resign and join the looney Greens or resign and rerun as an Independent.

So far the ALPs sanctioning of her even though pressured) has been the only sensible decision Labor has made since Albanese took the helm.

Of course now she's in the media playing the emotional blackmail card saying she's been "exiled" and intimidated/bullied by her own party. Grin

She needs to take responsibility for the outcomes of her decisions .... not blame others.

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Reply #11 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:57am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

I fully agree.

Good to see a politician with some balls and conviction.

The conviction to encourage anti-semitism by repeating terrorist slogans in this country?

It has no place here -from Politicians, protesters on our streets or in our Universities.

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Reply #14 - Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:16am

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 11:07am:

It’s interesting to learn that labor enforce its members to vote as directed.
Hardly seems very democratic?

Labor decides it's policy position in the Caucus by a majority vote and all members are then bound by that decision....You must agree to abide by the Party majority when you agree to join the Party!!!

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Reply #20 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 1:06pm

Here's a good take on the Fatima Payman issue.

Courier Mail today
By Joe Hildebrand

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ALBO NOW MUST SACK PAYMAN
JOE HILDEBRAND

Last week, Fatima Payman was a Labor pariah.

This week that has changed.

She is now both a traitor and a saboteur.

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese
needs to sack her and sack her now.

The first year Western Australian senator’s foolish decision to cross the floor to support a pointless Greens motion on Palestine was both stupid and self-indulgent.

The Prime Minister was typically merciful in merely suspending Senator Payman from caucus for a week.

Her embarrassingly self-entitled declaration on the ABC’s Insiders that she would do it all again was, by contrast, not just idiotic but aggressive.

The Prime Minister was yet again merciful in merely suspending her from caucus indefinitely.

But her bleating heart lament that she has been exiled and victimised –
and the suggestion she could abandon the party that is the only reason she
even exists in public life – goes far beyond the realm of any human decency or functioning intelligence.

What kind of outrageously naive narcissist could possibly lap up a senate seat for a major party in their 20s only to betray the party that gave her that extraordinary privilege?

And what genuinely deranged mind could, after contributing nothing to the caucus and refusing to abide by even its most basic rules, nonetheless declare that they are somehow the oppressed victim in all of this?

Some say it’s a Muslim thing.

I suspect it’s a millennial thing.

Either way, Payman is more cooked than a thanksgiving turkey.

The problem is it is also embarrassing for the Prime Minister, of whom she has been disgracefully disrespectful.

Yes, every Australian has a right to slag off Labor leaders as much as they want.

But when you’re an actual Labor member of the Australian parliament not so much. Who knew?

Thus Payman will never be preselected again. But that only brings with it
another injustice.

It means she has four years left as a sitting senator to dump on the ALP and cultivate her own cult of personality.

Now it all boils down to the ultimate teen dilemma of who dumps who first.

If Labor doesn’t dump Payman then she will surely dump Labor.

It is only a matter of who emerges with any remaining pride.

This is what happens when the Left get their gum in the gears.

Albo has already been strong in standing up to the Left that both made him and which he made.

This is another litmus test.

She must go and must go now.

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Reply #21 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 3:26pm

She's too young to know any better ... and she's muslim ... her only interests derive from Islam. As she gets older, she'll realize a few things, that young Islamic blokes go around stabbing innocent people, one in a church some months ago, one in a park, one at the University of Sydney just the other day, not to mention past murders in the streets by brainless muslims

Muslims have no credibility, someone pointed out that an Islamic College in Perth defrauded the Govt of millions of dollars, and got caught. Islam is for Islam, it's not for Australia. We need to be cautious and wary of muslims and keep them in their place, otherwise they'll drag us down to their lower level

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[size=12]She's too young to know any better ... and she's muslim ... her only interests derive from Islam. As she gets older, she'll realize a few things, that young Islamic blokes go around stabbing innocent people, one in a church some months ago, one in a park, one at the University of Sydney just the other day, not to mention past murders in the streets by brainless muslims

Muslims have no credibility, someone pointed out that an Islamic College in Perth defrauded the Govt of millions of dollars, and got caught. Islam is for Islam, it's not for Australia. We need to be cautious and wary of muslims and keep them in their place, otherwise they'll drag us down to their lower

Realise thisngs as she gets older - like the Bint Faruqi?

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Reply #23 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 6:20pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

She's too young to know any better ... and she's muslim
... her only interests derive from Islam.
As she gets older, she'll realize a few things,
that young Islamic blokes go around stabbing innocent people,
one in a church some months ago,
one in a park,
one at the University of Sydney just the other day,
not to mention past murders in the streets by brainless muslims

Muslims have no credibility,

someone pointed out that an Islamic College in Perth defrauded the Govt of millions of dollars,

and got caught.

Islam is for Islam,

it's not for Australia.

We need to be cautious and wary of muslims and keep them in their place, otherwise they'll drag us down to their lower level

HAVE YOU NOTICED ??

HAVE YOU NOTICED ??

HAVE YOU NOTICED ??

Q.
Have you ever witnessed,
....a follower of ISLAM in Australia, criticise >> another follower of ISLAM << ???

No, you have not !

[ISLAMIC religious doctrine.....]
A follower of ISLAM will never criticise the 'bad action' of >> another follower of ISLAM <<,
1/ even if he/she is a convicted embezzler [living in Australia], e.g. in OP
2/ even if he/she is a murderous terrorist [in a foreign land],
3/ even if he/she is a murderer [or, a failed wanna-be-murderer for Allah, living in Australia].

[n.b. often, the local moslem community >> will disclaim any association << with the actions of such individuals [miscreants above]]

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DISTINCTION......
Every follower of ISLAM, in the world, is member of >> the nation of ISLAM <<.

The ummah, is, the worldwide nation of ISLAM.

Dictionary definition;
umma = = the whole community of Muslims bound together by ties of religion.

A follower of ISLAM is not an Australian,
a follower of ISLAM is not an Australian,
a follower of ISLAM is not an Australian, [i.e. he totally rejects, THE AUTHORITY of Australian law].

And despite >> a follower of ISLAM << having spoken any oath of allegiance to Australia [in order to claim citizenship],
he/she has no allegiance to Australia or any allegiance our Australian values,
or to Australian law.
**

The allegiance of the follower of ISLAM, is for ISLAMIC law alone.

The religious doctrine of ISLAM.......
The communal love of the moslem, is for his fellow believers, alone.

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**
"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22

"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. ***Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23

***
The religious doctrine of ISLAM.......
Anyone who aligns himself [sincerely] with any disbeliever, is an evil person [i.e. worthy of death, at the hand of a good moslem !].

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Quote:

How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior

January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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ABC social engineering....

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1570367530/2#2
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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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Reply #24 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 6:56pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

She's too young to know any better ... and she's muslim ... her only interests derive from Islam. As she gets older, she'll realize a few things, that young Islamic blokes go around stabbing innocent people, one in a church some months ago, one in a park, one at the University of Sydney just the other day, not to mention past murders in the streets by brainless muslims

Muslims have no credibility, someone pointed out that an Islamic College in Perth defrauded the Govt of millions of dollars, and got caught. Islam is for Islam, it's not for Australia. We need to be cautious and wary of muslims and keep them in their place, otherwise they'll drag us down to their lower level

Good grief she's 29 years old. WTF are you talking about "too young to know any better"?

She's old enough to have children the same age as she was when she came here.

She was 8 years old when she arrived here.

She is as has been pointed out a person with a short memory of why she is here & not in Afghanistan and very much with the entitled attitude of a millennial.

She has taken her position of privilege for granted to push her own personal barrow and she should resign from politics altogether.

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Reply #25 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 8:22pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 6:56pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 3:26pm:

She's too young to know any better ... and she's muslim ... her only interests derive from Islam. As she gets older, she'll realize a few things, that young Islamic blokes go around stabbing innocent people, one in a church some months ago, one in a park, one at the University of Sydney just the other day, not to mention past murders in the streets by brainless muslims

Muslims have no credibility, someone pointed out that an Islamic College in Perth defrauded the Govt of millions of dollars, and got caught. Islam is for Islam, it's not for Australia. We need to be cautious and wary of muslims and keep them in their place, otherwise they'll drag us down to their lower level

Good grief she's 29 years old. WTF are you talking about "too young to know any better"?

She's old enough to have children the same age as she was when she came here.

She was 8 years old when she arrived here.

She is as has been pointed out a person with a short memory of why she is here & not in Afghanistan and very much with the entitled attitude of a millennial.

She has taken her position of privilege for granted to push her own personal barrow and she should resign from politics altogether.

Gerls... Young and naive....

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Reply #26 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 8:55pm

Good on the ALP. If the Palestinians want a state, why don't they just set one up instead of devoting all their energy to killing each other and slaughtering Jews? Western nations set up just about every other nation in the middle east. Perhaps they never learned how to do it, other than ISIS style.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/payman-furore-to-come-to-a-head-as-albanese-suggests-exit-20240703-p5jqob.html

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The crisis for Labor began last week when Payman, the first MP to wear a hijab in parliament, crossed the floor of the Senate to vote with the Greens on a motion backing Palestinian statehood, against the rules of the Labor caucus.

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‘I want to normalise hijab wearing’: WA’s newest Labor senator on making history

When Fatima Payman takes her seat in the Senate in July, she will make history as the first woman to wear a hijab in Australia’s parliament.

The 27-year-old Muslim Australian, confirmed as Labor’s newest senator from Western Australia on Monday, says she will wear it with pride.

“I want to normalise hijab wearing,” Payman tells Guardian Australia.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/jun/21/i-want-to-normalise-hijab-wearing-was-newest-labor-senator-on-making-history

I prefer Marine Le Pens attitude towards hijab.

Did she tell a muslim to GFY she isn't wearing it?

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Reply #29 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I do talk to muslims

Allah has a word for moderate muslims he calls them hypocrites.
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O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

https://legacy.quran.com/9/73

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Reply #30 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:36pm

freediver wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 8:55pm:

Good on the ALP.

If the Palestinians want a state, why don't they just set one up instead of devoting all their energy to killing each other and slaughtering Jews?

Western nations set up just about every other nation in the middle east.

Perhaps they never learned how to do it, other than ISIS style.

CONSIDER;
The ummah,
the worldwide community of moslems, 'bound together by ties of religion',
at this point of time,
possess DOZENS of moslem majority nations, in the Middle East.

AS PRESENTED, IN THIS FOLLOWING IMAGE.....

IMAGE......
https://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/pw_sign_22.gif

CONSIDER;
Those we know, as 'the Jewish people', are a people, who DID emerge from the 'Middle East'.

And it can be argued that the Jewish people have a historic connection to 'the land of Israel'.
e.g. in the common local names, Samaria, Judea.

The argument is made, that the Jewish people have a legitimate, historic, and cultural, connection to their land.

But for ISLAMISTS, from 1948 thru 2024, the existence of the State of Israel is 'a problem'.

Why so ?

Because the existence, of the State of Israel and its secular authority over the land it controls,
has 'rudely' displaced a longstanding local religious hegemony of ISLAM, over the entirety of the region.

And that circumstance really, really irks all devout moslems.....
.....presently alive, in the 'Middle East'.

hegemony = = leadership or dominance, especially by one state or social group over others.

irk = = irritate; annoy.

But its not as though 'Palestinians' would not be able, to be absorbed, culturally, and socially, within neighbouring 'ISLAMIC' nations.

THE 'IRRITATION'.......
Is because the existence, of the State of Israel, has become a 'cause celeb' for every devout moslem,
.....on this planet.

Its the truth !

cause celebre = = a controversial issue that attracts a great deal of public attention.

QUESTION;
Is the existence of the State of Israel a problem [to moslems]
because 'the Jews stole our land' ?
[look again, at the MAP image, above.]

Or is the problem of the existence of the State of Israel,
really about the intransigence of
the ISLAMIC religious doctrine of Jihad ?

intransigent = = unwilling to change one’s views or to agree.

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QUESTION;
What is the ISLAMIC religious doctrine of Jihad ?

https://www.jihadwatch.org/category/jihad-doctrine

The ISLAMIC >> religious doctrine of Jihad << has been revealed in the reality of its 'presence' within Australia,
very recently........

Quote:

Australia:
Muslim teen who went on stabbing rampage said he was going on ‘path of jihad for the sake of Allah’

May 8, 2024
By Robert Spencer

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/05/australia-muslim-teen-who-went-on-stabbing-ra...

'AND THERE'S MORE'......

Quote:

Understanding Jihad

Apr 26, 2024
By Robert L. Meyer

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2024/04/understanding-jihad-2

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Reply #31 - Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 11:20pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I do talk to muslims

Somehow, I doubt that, Baron. I suspect you'd cross the street rather than walk on the same footpath with a Muslim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #33 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 5:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Why don't you just admit you've swallowed the Taqiyya of Islam used by practically all Muslims in all sects.

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Reply #35 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:35am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 11:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I do talk to muslims

Somehow, I doubt that, Baron. I suspect you'd cross the street rather than walk on the same footpath with a Muslim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And where are you supposed to talk to these muslims? Outside Lakemba Mosque? Or are you supposed to accost muslims on the street to have a conversation? And how are you supposed to know these people are muslims anyway? Unless of course they are female in hijab.

ps ... I talked to muslims every working day for 8 years. But it was what I observed over those 8 years that was more telling than any conversation.

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

I have addressed as far as I know only one Muslim on this site, Freediver, Gandulf. I have challenged you to provide evidence of what you claim, you have yet to do so. Why? Unable to do so? Just more bullshit from you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Why don't you just admit you've swallowed the Taqiyya of Islam used by practically all Muslims in all sects.

Why no just admit that your an Islamophobe? You don't know any Muslims. You just hate them on principle. Just as you hate Indigenous Australians. You're just a Racist, Gnads. A complete WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Aquarius wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 9:35am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 11:20pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I do talk to muslims

Somehow, I doubt that, Baron. I suspect you'd cross the street rather than walk on the same footpath with a Muslim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And where are you supposed to talk to these muslims? Outside Lakemba Mosque? Or are you supposed to accost muslims on the street to have a conversation? And how are you supposed to know these people are muslims anyway? Unless of course they are female in hijab.

ps ... I talked to muslims every working day for 8 years. But it was what I observed over those 8 years that was more telling than any conversation.

Aren't you lucky then. I have served with, studied with them and worked with them. I never encounted a bad Muslim in over 20 years. Funny that. I suspect you just encounted a bad lot. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #43 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 5:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

I have addressed as far as I know only one Muslim on this site, Freediver, Gandulf. I have challenged you to provide evidence of what you claim, you have yet to do so. Why? Unable to do so? Just more bullshit from you. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Yes, out of the half a dozen or so Muslims who have posted here, Gandalf would have been the least threatening to whatever it is you are projecting onto Islam.

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Reply #44 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 6:26pm

Preamble;

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

She is a moslem, who is [clearly] seeking to deliberately infuse a more ISLAMIC 'political' influence,
upon Australia, and upon Australian politics.

Fatima Payman is a clever [moslem] girl.

Not so ???

.....read on.

777777777

"This is for Gaza"

- George Galloway

QUESTION;
How can moslems [followers of ISLAM] 'empower', a more significant influence upon 'the politic' of the host nation, of which they may be a citizen ?

ANSWER;
Vote tactically and vote collectively [as a community].......and then watch the infidel 'chooks' run around, in panic, as though they were HEADLESS.

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With much larger [ISLAMIC] communities already established in the UK........
This deliberate [political] strategy of the 'well established' local moslem community in the UK, is well advanced there.

It is called Democracy. .....the people have the power decide, and to change governments.

And......it will emerge, that the ['collective'] moslem community in the UK, will want 'a place of significant respect' to be established,
for aspects of ISLAMIC law, within the purview of 'English law'.

And why wouldn't they ! THEY, are British citizens.

And they view Britain as a nascent ISLAMIC nation. ....YES THEY DO !

purview = = the scope of the influence or concerns of something.

TheMuslimVote.co.uk UNMASKED
Campaign backer exposed to be ex-UK leader of banned terrorist grou..

12 min
February 20th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/1yJbHvTxBvY/

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GB News can reveal that one of the men seemingly behind
TheMuslimVote.co.uk
has been identified as Muhammad Jalal (formerly known as Julaluddin Patel),
the former UK leader of the banned terrorist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir.

GB News https://old.bitchute.com/channel/gbnews/

AND...........

@ 55 secs

In the UK, Galloway declares his win....."This is for Gaza"

Farage:
Religious voting is HERE,
Parliament is in DENIAL, and Galloway vote 'overwhelmingly Muslim..

12 min
March 4th, 2024

https://old.bitchute.com/video/E5rPvwaGLJ4/

Quote:

We have a muslim population in the UK that has grown by 44% in 10 years.

Whilst not all of them are going to vote for Galloway, a significant number are…

What we saw today was a rebirth of religious sectarianism.’

We are seeing genuine sectarian politics…

people voting on religious lines, and overwhelmingly for Galloway that vote was a muslim vote’

Nigel Farage asks if this is a dark day for British democracy.

GB News https://old.bitchute.com/channel/gbnews/

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TIME TO WAKE UP PEOPLE.

...and to pull your heads out of the sand.

We welcomed many moslems to our shores,
many came from places we would regard as war zones.

And we gave many moslems sanctuary,
....we gave them, a sanctuary.

More fools us.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1718444378/12#12
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ISLAM, is a deceitful, murderous death cult.

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Reply #47 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:28pm

For the 29-year-old, two-year Muslim senator from Afghanistan to even ponder establishing a party that could remove enough Labor MPs to deny the Albanese government a majority at the next election puts her among some of the greatest of Labor “rats in the ranks” in 130-years of ALP tradition.

At an “emotional” press conference after sending Albanese her resignation, Payman repeated her claims she had been intimidated and isolated by Labor MPs and senators, denied she had been planning the resignation for a month – as Albanese indicated – and said she would not be joining the Greens.

But, when asked if she would form a new party – which as a sitting senator she can fast-track – Payman said: “At this stage, I do not plan to form a party … but stay tuned.”

Stay tuned. It’s not as if Albanese and his colleagues have been tuning out as Payman orchestrated a media campaign that distracted entirely from Labor’s July 1 cost-of-living measures, accused them of intimidation, handed the Greens propaganda victories and put Labor in outer suburban Sydney and Melbourne on a war footing.

Much damage has been done to Labor over the whole issue of support for Palestine since the Hamas terror attacks of October 7, which killed 1200 Israelis and saw hundreds more taken hostage. The PM has suffered a loss of authority, social division has risen, and vandalism and damaging protests, such as the occupation of the Parliament House roof on Thursday, has occurred, but there is potential for much worse if Payman tunes in to Muslim political movement.https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/stay-tuned-this-could-get-a-who...

The Muslim Fifth Column is organising here and in England. They hate you, infidel.

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Reply #49 - Jul 4^th, 2024 at 11:02pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 7:40pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem (sic)

blah, blah, blah ...

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Quote:

Fatima Payman

......Fatima Payman (Persian: born 1995) is an Afghan-born Australian politician.

......
Fatima Payman was born in Kabul, Afghanistan in 1995....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatima_Payman

buzzanddidj,

I must presume that Fatima Payman would NOT choose to live in Afghanistan ?

But why is that ?

Fatima Payman is a devout moslem, and Afghanistan [the land of her birth] is a devout moslem nation.

So why would Fatima Payman make the choice, ...to NOT live in her homeland, Afghanistan,
an ISLAMIC law nation ?

What is >> WRONG, << with Afghanistan ?

.

I'm presuming Fatima Payman would NOT choose to live in Afghanistan.

But she chooses to live in Australia. ???

And Fatima Payman displays a desire, to increase the influence of ISLAM, here, in Australia,
a secular nation.

Why is that ?

But Fatima Payman herself, clearly,
does not want to live in a nation which is ruled by ISLAMIC law.

Why is that ?

If Fatima Payman herself, loves ISLAM, she could emigrate to,
Turkey, or,
Afghanistan,
Jordan,
Pakistan,
Egypt,
Mali,
Algeria,
Iraq,
or another Sharia law nation ?

QUESTION;
I MUST ASK........

Does Fatima Payman really love [the real] ISLAM ?

Or does Fatima Payman just love the 'idea' of ISLAM ?
.....does she love her own, 'idealised' ISLAM ?

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MYSELF........
I do not love ISLAM.

I have come to believe......that moslems are all liars and self deceivers [about their 'religion'].
.......and they [must] know that they are.
.......and that their judgement is unavoidable.

Not so ?

.

Deuteronomy 7:9
Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.
11 Thou shalt therefore keep the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which I command thee this day, to do them.

These are beautiful words......

Psalms 1:1
Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

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Reply #51 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 7:47am

She quit the Labor Party.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-04/how-did-labor-lose-fatima-payman/10405992...

Fatima Payman reflected Labor's hopes for the future. How did it lose her?

updated 8h ago

On Thursday, that culminated in her decision to quit the Labor party after days of mutual animosity, accusations and backgrounding over her decision to vote against the party on a Greens Senate motion calling for Palestinian recognition.

A gathering swell

Senator Payman has insisted that decision was made only seconds before she walked across the chamber to cast her vote.

But even if the vote was not premeditated, her discomfort had been building for months.

By early 2024, she was acutely aware of anger in the Muslim community over her government's response to the conflict, when she struggled to line up community members willing to attend Iftar dinners with the prime minister.
Fatima Payman quits Labor, accuses colleagues of intimidation

First-term senator Fatima Payman has quit Labor to sit on the crossbench, after becoming the first Labor MP in decades to defy her party in a vote to recognise Palestinian statehood.
Senator Fatima Payman stands in front of a media pack in Parliament House to announce she's quitting the Labor Party

Like several Labor colleagues, she had also ventured beyond the party's position on Gaza and was given implicit licence to do so.

But Prime Minister Anthony Albanese was prompted to rebuke her when she accused Israel of genocide in a May statement that concluded with the phrase "from the river to the sea," which he considers incompatible with a two-state solution (an interpretation Senator Payman rejects)

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Reply #54 - Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:20pm

I like her only because she is going to be trouble for Labor. The thing is, Labor tried doing the woke thing in regards to her and now it'll cost them.

If a non-hijab wearing Labor MP or Senator crossed the floor on anything, the party would have come down on them like a ton of bricks. They would have been out for breaking caucus solidarity.

Why the exception for her?

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Reply #55 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:08am

MattE wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

I like her only because she is going to be trouble for Labor. The thing is, Labor tried doing the woke thing in regards to her and now it'll cost them.

If a non-hijab wearing Labor MP or Senator crossed the floor on anything, the party would have come down on them like a ton of bricks. They would have been out for breaking caucus solidarity.

Why the exception for her?

Similar story to Lydia Thorpe. Put into parliament for her colour, until the party realised she was a nutter.

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The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

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Reply #57 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:36am

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Have you considered running for office Mothra? Labor or Greens?

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Reply #58 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:03pm

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

I know who you're going to mention. Senator Price.

She isn't a diversity hire. She ran for the Senate and ran to win. Unlike in the States, a senator from the Territory needs to be known by the community because they only get two seats.

Payman is a diversity hire and you can tell by the way Labor treated her when she crossed the floor. They didn't treat her like any other ALP MP or Senator who would cross the floor.

Senator Kerrynne Liddle (Liberal) is also indigenous. She isn't a diversity hire. She gets treated exactly the same as any other Senator in the Liberal Party.

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MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

They didn't treat her like any other ALP MP or Senator who would cross the floor.

Sure they did. It's not the first time labor has acted on members crossing the floor and it won't be the last. Labor has always been very strict on members who cross the floor. Thats why they make them pledge, when they join the party, to abide by whatever caucus decides.

They can disagree all they want during party meetings, but once a majority decision is made, all members must abide by it. Especially when there is a vote in parliament on it. It's for this reason that penny wong even voted against gay marriage when it was first proposed, despite how she privately felt about it. It took penny years of making her case to her own party before labors official position changed.

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Reply #62 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

freediver wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:08am:

MattE wrote on Jul 5^th, 2024 at 9:20pm:

I like her only because she is going to be trouble for Labor. The thing is, Labor tried doing the woke thing in regards to her and now it'll cost them.

If a non-hijab wearing Labor MP or Senator crossed the floor on anything, the party would have come down on them like a ton of bricks. They would have been out for breaking caucus solidarity.

Why the exception for her?

Similar story to Lydia Thorpe. Put into parliament for her colour, until the party realised she was a nutter.

Fati Payman is onto a winner. A Muslim diversity hire woman ratting on her party, posing as the victim of political intrigue and crusading (!) on a distant, peripheral issue which she wasnt elected on - she is bound to become the darling of the left.

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Reply #64 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:00pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:03pm:

They didn't treat her like any other ALP MP or Senator who would cross the floor.

Sure they did. It's not the first time labor has acted on members crossing the floor and it won't be the last. Labor has always been very strict on members who cross the floor. Thats why they make them pledge, when they join the party, to abide by whatever caucus decides.

They can disagree all they want during party meetings, but once a majority decision is made, all members must abide by it. Especially when there is a vote in parliament on it. It's for this reason that penny wong even voted against gay marriage when it was first proposed, despite how she privately felt about it. It took penny years of making her case to her own party before labors official position changed.

They treated Fatima Payman very differently.

If it was a white male Senator crossing the floor on an issue, they would have been expelled immediately. None of this suspended for one day, then a week etc. stuff granted to Payman.

Funny thing is, Senator Payman played Albanese like a fiddle. While he was virtue signalling, she was plotting.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7875 melbourne Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #66 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:19pm Yet what about the Nationals. Don't they always support the liberals?.
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I did say that Penny Wongway wanted a Palestinian state - that was OK - kosher with Labor, so to speak - this Fatima wants a Palestinian state - and that's no good coming from a Muslim....

Hmmm ... what IS Labor playing at here?

Cat's Cradle ... " the idea of the cat's cradle, implying that the game, with its invisible cat, is an appropriate symbol for nonsense and the meaninglessness of life" .... (fits well here)...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Cradle

In my context - as in the book - playing with the cat's cradle creates utter confusion and ultimately disaster..... so I ask again - what is Labor playing at here? Or are they just turning on themselves and each other like rats in a barrel ......... bring the cat .... or give 'em the cat ....

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Reply #69 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 4:51pm

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

Well Bobby, one should vote greens, or for a good teal independent.

The trouble is that the Greens give their preferences to Labor -
so a vote for Greens is a vote for Labor.

We are being ripped off by our preferential voting system.

You're wrong.

Voters give their preference to another candidate. The parties do not give anything to any other candidate.

If you choose to follow the suggestion on the political party how to vote card, that is on you and your lack of understanding on how to vote.

I have never followed a "how to vote" card. I always put Greens candidates last.

As for the fairness of our system, it is fair.

Last night we saw a UK Labour landslide with less votes than what Corbyn received. Candidates in the UK won with only 30 percent of the voters in a constituency voting for them.

In Australia, a candidate in the House of Representatives must win 50%+1 in order to win their seat. But again, if you don't know how to vote and believed you had to follow a "how to vote" pamphlet, that is on you and your lack of a civics education.

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whiteknight Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7875 melbourne Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #70 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:01pm I think if I wasn't following a how to vote card, then I would always put the coalition ( Liberals and Nationals ) last.
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Reply #72 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:13pm

MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

Well Bobby, one should vote greens, or for a good teal independent.

The trouble is that the Greens give their preferences to Labor -
so a vote for Greens is a vote for Labor.

We are being ripped off by our preferential voting system.

You're wrong.

Voters give their preference to another candidate. The parties do not give anything to any other candidate.

If you choose to follow the suggestion on the political party how to vote card, that is on you and your lack of understanding on how to vote.

I have never followed a "how to vote" card. I always put Greens candidates last.

https://i.ibb.co/n11K0xT/Screenshot-20240706-165401.png

As for the fairness of our system, it is fair.

Last night we saw a UK Labour landslide with less votes than what Corbyn received. Candidates in the UK won with only 30 percent of the voters in a constituency voting for them.

In Australia, a candidate in the House of Representatives must win 50%+1 in order to win their seat. But again, if you don't know how to vote and believed you had to follow a "how to vote" pamphlet, that is on you and your lack of a civics education.

I never follow the how to vote card but most people do.
I bet at least 95% of people just tick the boxes as they are told. Roll Eyes

People are sheep.

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Reply #73 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Why don't you just admit you've swallowed the Taqiyya of Islam used by practically all Muslims in all sects.

Why no just admit that your an Islamophobe? You don't know any Muslims. You just hate them on principle. Just as you hate Indigenous Australians. You're just a Racist, Gnads. A complete WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Incorrect ... I hate woke bending the knee sycophants like you.

You don't know who I know or have known.

You're such a woke softcock all you have is to call anyone critical of ideals & policy in regards to Muslim migration, Muslim demands or Aboriginal issues ... racist.

You're the epitome of a WOFTAE.

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Reply #74 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:37pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 4^th, 2024 at 8:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2024 at 10:01pm:

You know, I just wish that some of you would talk to every day Muslim men and women. I really do. You might get some idea of what they think and why you're so mistaken. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Why don't you just admit you've swallowed the Taqiyya of Islam used by practically all Muslims in all sects.

Why no just admit that your an Islamophobe? You don't know any Muslims. You just hate them on principle. Just as you hate Indigenous Australians. You're just a Racist, Gnads. A complete WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Incorrect ... I hate woke bending the knee sycophants like you.

You don't know who I know or have known.

You're such a woke softcock all you have is to call anyone critical of ideals & policy in regards to Muslim migration, Muslim demands or Aboriginal issues ... racist.

You're the epitome of a WOFTAE.

They're normally the ones who complain about parties giving their preferences away... not knowing that it is them doing it by following those how to vote cards.

One Nation voters on the other hand are hard to poll because they seem to not follow how to vote cards. It is why seats with a high One Nation vote can take a while to count.

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Reply #75 - Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:40pm

MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 4:51pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 2:50pm:

Well Bobby, one should vote greens, or for a good teal independent.

The trouble is that the Greens give their preferences to Labor -
so a vote for Greens is a vote for Labor.

We are being ripped off by our preferential voting system.

You're wrong.

Voters give their preference to another candidate. The parties do not give anything to any other candidate.

If you choose to follow the suggestion on the political party how to vote card, that is on you and your lack of understanding on how to vote.

I have never followed a "how to vote" card. I always put Greens candidates last.

https://i.ibb.co/n11K0xT/Screenshot-20240706-165401.png

As for the fairness of our system, it is fair.

Last night we saw a UK Labour landslide with less votes than what Corbyn received. Candidates in the UK won with only 30 percent of the voters in a constituency voting for them.

In Australia, a candidate in the House of Representatives must win 50%+1 in order to win their seat. But again, if you don't know how to vote and believed you had to follow a "how to vote" pamphlet, that is on you and your lack of a civics education.

Yeah. The days of the senate whisperers are over.

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Reply #77 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
..
You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
...
So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

Gemma Tognini

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Reply #79 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:04am

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
..
You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
...
So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

Gemma Tognini

Fatima Payman is the voice of Islam. She is not the voice of West Australians if that voice conflicts with her Islamic beliefs. Hence giving Labor and the WA constituents the flick over Palestine. So we can see her disloyalty to her party and WA constituents laid bare.

But is that surprising? There has never been as much disunity in this country as we are seeing now. When Payman announced she was leaving the ALP on Thursday afternoon, she pledged to be a "true voice" for Palestine and warned that her "conscience leaves me no choice but to strike out as an independent." So where does that leave the WA constituents?

What we are seeing now is only a small indication of what we will be seeing in the future when there are several "Paymans" in parliament. If we think this current conflict is causing unprecedented chaos, imagine what it will be like when muslims reach 5% and more of the population.

The writing is now on the wall. Islamism will be firmly embedded in our politics - and isn't that what mussos are here for?

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Reply #80 - Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:28am

Aquarius wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:04am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
..
You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
...
So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

Gemma Tognini

Fatima Payman is the voice of Islam. She is not the voice of West Australians if that voice conflicts with her Islamic beliefs. Hence giving Labor and the WA constituents the flick over Palestine. So we can see her disloyalty to her party and WA constituents laid bare.

But is that surprising? There has never been as much disunity in this country as we are seeing now. When Payman announced she was leaving the ALP on Thursday afternoon, she pledged to be a "true voice" for Palestine and warned that her "conscience leaves me no choice but to strike out as an independent." So where does that leave the WA constituents?

What we are seeing now is only a small indication of what we will be seeing in the future when there are several "Paymans" in parliament. If we think this current conflict is causing unprecedented chaos, imagine what it will be like when muslims reach 5% and more of the population.

The writing is now on the wall. Islamism will be firmly embedded in our politics - and isn't that what mussos are here for?

Taqiyya is inside our parliaments.

Vibrant multiculti diversity is our strength.

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 82609 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #81 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 1:42am Not yet - but if she were in Gaza she'd soon enough be a good Muslim...... I think Hamas would think her views too Westernised into the ways of the Great Satan... they'd whip or stone or shoot or hang her. Nice people all round..... great race the Hamasites....
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Reply #83 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:51am

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:04am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
..
You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
...
So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

Gemma Tognini

Fatima Payman is the voice of Islam. She is not the voice of West Australians if that voice conflicts with her Islamic beliefs. Hence giving Labor and the WA constituents the flick over Palestine. So we can see her disloyalty to her party and WA constituents laid bare.

But is that surprising? There has never been as much disunity in this country as we are seeing now. When Payman announced she was leaving the ALP on Thursday afternoon, she pledged to be a "true voice" for Palestine and warned that her "conscience leaves me no choice but to strike out as an independent." So where does that leave the WA constituents?

What we are seeing now is only a small indication of what we will be seeing in the future when there are several "Paymans" in parliament. If we think this current conflict is causing unprecedented chaos, imagine what it will be like when muslims reach 5% and more of the population.

The writing is now on the wall. Islamism will be firmly embedded in our politics - and isn't that what mussos are here for?

Taqiyya is inside our parliaments.

Vibrant multiculti diversity is our strength.

Christ on a bike! You;re all so paranoid!

And with abundant evidence available to assuage your fear.

All that's left is simple white supremacism. You're just a bunch of jolly old nazis who demonise Muslims instead of Jews.

Oh, and Africans and Aboriginal people.

Anyone spotting a theme?

Meanwhile, the majority of us will just go on living in the reality of modern life. You keep seething in resentment for the loss of that which is long gone.

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Reply #84 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:50am

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 1:52am:

She's a dual citizen as well ... but she's been given a free pass

Marvellous ey? And to think about all the drama they gave Barnaby Joyce and at least 6 other sitting MPs 3 or 4 who were born here but declared dual citizens by descent.

Matt Canavan born on the Gold Coast, was found to be an Italian citizen after his mother had registered him with the Italian Consulate in Brisbane as an Italian Resident Abroad without his consent when he was 26 years old in 2006. Shocked

Like what would have possessed her to do that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017%E2%80%9318_Australian_parliamentary_eligibili...

Why hadn't or isn't Payman being subjected to the same scrutiny under 44(i) of the Australian Constitution?

She was born in Afghanistan coming here when she was 8 yrs old.

If they applied this criteria to her then the ALPs political embarrassment and the threat of an Independent sectarian MP who supports the pro-Palestinian protestors here, chanting for Israeli destruction repeating the slogan "From the River to thge Sea" & the subsequent rise of anti-semitism to back a terrorist backed body, the Palestinian Authority in Gaza...... would be gone from politics.

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Reply #85 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 7:52am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:51am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:04am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
..
You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
...
So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

Gemma Tognini

Fatima Payman is the voice of Islam. She is not the voice of West Australians if that voice conflicts with her Islamic beliefs. Hence giving Labor and the WA constituents the flick over Palestine. So we can see her disloyalty to her party and WA constituents laid bare.

But is that surprising? There has never been as much disunity in this country as we are seeing now. When Payman announced she was leaving the ALP on Thursday afternoon, she pledged to be a "true voice" for Palestine and warned that her "conscience leaves me no choice but to strike out as an independent." So where does that leave the WA constituents?

What we are seeing now is only a small indication of what we will be seeing in the future when there are several "Paymans" in parliament. If we think this current conflict is causing unprecedented chaos, imagine what it will be like when muslims reach 5% and more of the population.

The writing is now on the wall. Islamism will be firmly embedded in our politics - and isn't that what mussos are here for?

Taqiyya is inside our parliaments.

Vibrant multiculti diversity is our strength.

Christ on a bike! You;re all so paranoid!

And with abundant evidence available to assuage your fear.

All that's left is simple white supremacism. You're just a bunch of jolly old nazis who demonise Muslims instead of Jews.

Oh, and Africans and Aboriginal people.

Anyone spotting a theme?

Meanwhile, the majority of us will just go on living in the reality of modern life. You keep seething in resentment for the loss of that which is long gone.

Are you saying Fati was not lying?

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Reply #88 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

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Reply #89 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:32am

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Ask not for whom the bell signalling where the nazi is lurking is tolls... it tolls for you lot.

Yeah of course you'd be defending the indefensible.

Another terrorist backing leftoid hypocrite.

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Reply #90 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:33am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:51am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 11:04am:

Frank wrote on Jul 7^th, 2024 at 9:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 7:23am:

The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Utter, bollocks.

Payman was elected to represent the people of Western Australia and advance their cause in our federal parliament. She is an elected and paid public servant (like the rest of them) of the people of Australia. Would that they all remember this.

She tearfully told the media that she is “the true voice of West Australians”. That she is speaking for them. The chutzpah of such a statement? Senator Payman, where were you during the vote on the live export industry this week, the results of which will spell disaster for much of rural WA? That’s right, you were missing in action. You didn’t vote. You abstained. So the people of Western Australia were without your apparently indispensable voice this week.

Senator Payman’s behaviour is a great example of what happens when you don’t discipline kids. It’s also an example of what happens when you preselect kids. She spoke of not having a “support person” when going to see the Prime Minister. The embarrassing immaturity of such a statement.
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You join a party that has bonded voting? Then you know the rules of the game. Payman has cried victim. They’re freezing me out, it’s because I’m a woman of colour.

Her posture and her comments are an insult to every one of us whose families have fled other countries to start a new life in Australia, who came here with nothing. Spare us, senator. You are no victim.
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So, what is your tipping point? What will cause you to get off the couch of disengagement and start being counted before polling day.

It might surprise you to know that I’m not a member of any political party. I’d never been to a rally of any kind until October 7. That was my tipping point. The burning Israeli flag and chants of what many still believe was “gas the Jews” on the steps of the Opera House. It was the full revelation of the depth of anti-Semitism in academia and sections of politics and media. The hate-filled terror apologists who crawled out like cockroaches from under rocks. That was my tipping point. That was what prompted me to step up and speak out. What’s yours? Find it before it’s too late.

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Fatima Payman is the voice of Islam. She is not the voice of West Australians if that voice conflicts with her Islamic beliefs. Hence giving Labor and the WA constituents the flick over Palestine. So we can see her disloyalty to her party and WA constituents laid bare.

But is that surprising? There has never been as much disunity in this country as we are seeing now. When Payman announced she was leaving the ALP on Thursday afternoon, she pledged to be a "true voice" for Palestine and warned that her "conscience leaves me no choice but to strike out as an independent." So where does that leave the WA constituents?

What we are seeing now is only a small indication of what we will be seeing in the future when there are several "Paymans" in parliament. If we think this current conflict is causing unprecedented chaos, imagine what it will be like when muslims reach 5% and more of the population.

The writing is now on the wall. Islamism will be firmly embedded in our politics - and isn't that what mussos are here for?

Taqiyya is inside our parliaments.

Vibrant multiculti diversity is our strength.

Christ on a bike! You;re all so paranoid!

And with abundant evidence available to assuage your fear.

All that's left is simple white supremacism. You're just a bunch of jolly old nazis who demonise Muslims instead of Jews.

Oh, and Africans and Aboriginal people.

Anyone spotting a theme?

Meanwhile, the majority of us will just go on living in the reality of modern life. You keep seething in resentment for the loss of that which is long gone.

Fati Payman is onto a winner. An Afghan Muslim diversity hire woman in a hijab ratting on her party, posing as the victim of political intrigue and crusading (!) on a distant, peripheral issue which she wasn't elected on - she is bound to be the darling of the lefty frightbats.

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Reply #92 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

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Reply #93 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

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Reply #94 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:49am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

I'm not even sure what Islamophobia means. Do you suffer from Naziphobia? I think Islam is a dangerous and oppressive ideology, if that's what you mean. It is responsible for more suffering in the modern world than any other ideology (thanks to the collapse of communism).

What do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

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Reply #95 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:51am

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Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Well, the lefties chucked her out of their caucus for ratting on them.

Did she rat on them because she is:

A woman
An Afghan
A Muslim
Pro-Hamas
A Leftier than Thou
All of the above.

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Reply #96 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:52am

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

Quote:

You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

I'm not even sure what Islamophobia means. Do you suffer from Naziphobia? I think Islam is a dangerous and oppressive ideology, if that's what you mean. It is responsible for more suffering in the modern world than any other ideology (thanks to the collapse of communism).

What do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

So that's a yes then.

The truth will set you free, Fleadriver.

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Reply #97 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am

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Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Are her convictions representing her constituents?

Who endorsed her on their party platform to get her her seat?

Obviously her views are contrary to their caucus policy.

She like you is a hypocrite with a short memory.

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Reply #99 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:10am

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Are her convictions representing her constituents?

Who endorsed her on their party platform to get her her seat?

Obviously her views are contrary to their caucus policy.

She like you is a hypocrite with a short memory.

I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

But check out the hysteria ... you'd think she was the first and only to ever cross the floor.

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Reply #100 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:38am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Are her convictions representing her constituents?

Who endorsed her on their party platform to get her her seat?

Obviously her views are contrary to their caucus policy.

She like you is a hypocrite with a short memory.

I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

Sure... here are some of the 'at least some'.

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Reply #101 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:01am

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:02am:

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

Mothra? Why are you making excuses for anti-semitism then running away?

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Reply #102 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:10am

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The Madonna/Whore complex writes itself large across Ozpol's Sky "news" followers attempt at interpretation about just really what a "diversity hire" is and who, when scrutinised, the label could possibly apply to to.

Usually a brown skinned woman. Anyone on your side of the fence you'd like to volunteer? Because i've a suggestion.

Yeah, thanks for reminding us of Kamala.

Dems Outraged Over Vice President Chosen For Her Race And Gender Being Labeled ‘DEI Hire’

U.S. — Democrats have responded in outrage as the Vice President chosen solely because of her race and gender has been labeled a "diversity hire."

"How dare they!" decried Democratic Senator Chris Murphy. "To say that a woman we publicly chose because of her race was chosen because of her race is an absolute disgrace."

After announcing in 2020 that Biden would choose a running mate based on race and gender, Democrats have been infuriated by pundits pointing out that Kamala Harris could become President because of her race and gender. "It is demeaning and bigoted," said Representative Tammy Baldwin. "Only a terrible racist would openly declare that you have to have the right skin color to get the job. And how misogynistic to straight up announce that a Vice President would be chosen because she's a woman! It's disgusting is what it is."

According to sources, the media have been befuddled by Democrats's anger over their repeating Democrat talking points. "They usually love it when we repeat their talking points," said MSNBC anchor Joe Scarborough. "It's literally what the Democratic Party said when they chose Kamala. I'm... sorry?"

At publishing time, the Democratic Party had again responded in outrage as polls showed that the woman who cackled at tragedies was "less likable than that Vice President who shot someone in the face."

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Reply #103 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 11:40am

She's taken on a foreign policy that the vast majority of Australians are not really interested in, nor have a full understanding of the issue, being the other side of the World. And she appears to have sided with the violent protestors. She's really just one of them, with a Senate seat, and a declared Islamic mindset

She'll need to be closely monitored in the future - the job of vigilant citizens and the AFP

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Reply #104 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 12:34pm

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:10am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:01am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Are her convictions representing her constituents?

Who endorsed her on their party platform to get her her seat?

Obviously her views are contrary to their caucus policy.

She like you is a hypocrite with a short memory.

I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

But check out the hysteria ... you'd think she was the first and only to ever cross the floor.

No they're not .... they're jacked off with pro-palestinian protesters & vandalising war memorials & public buildings ....

they're jacked off with the anti-jewish discrimination by pro-Palestinian supporters on our streets & university campuses. Targeting students and anyone who shows support for Israel.

You & they are so far wrong it's ridiculous.

You & the protestors here want to support Palestinians in Gaza?

Get yourself a one way plane ticket and get over there.

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Reply #105 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 3:53pm

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I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

But check out the hysteria ... you'd think she was the first and only to ever cross the floor.

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I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

most people don't care at all you live in la la land

for those that do, younger people generally dont like israel older people generally are more favourable

its very easy for a small group of loudmouths to appear like theyre more representative of everyone else than they really are

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Reply #107 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 5:48pm

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:38am:

Face it boomers. your problem isn't that she crossed the floor to stand by her convictions. it's that they're convictions you don't agree with.

That's it. That's absolutely all there is to it.

Oh, and she's "one of them".

Not a boomer or Labor voter it's not my problem she crossed the floor.

What does concern me is she has dual nationality with Afghan and Australia which make her ineligible to hold her taxpayer funded job.

Why did Labor select her when our constitution says they can't?

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Reply #108 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm

I , again have zero issue with senator Payman.

I urge anyone who has only recently heard her name to research her speeches and interviews.

She isn't a one issue headline.

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

I want to live and have my children children's live in the Australia she believes can be built.

Labor is doing Labor, women are at best token nods to equally.

Gillard was kicked to kerb for being intelligent and talented.

Penny Wong is now kept on the sidelines because she's twice as smart as Albo and he doesn't want to shown up.

Fatima dares to vote in what she believes in and kicked out.

No wonder the next election and every election for the end of time will be the choice between two males!

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Reply #110 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:13pm

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I'm certain she's representing at least some of her constituents. Contrary to the spleen venting on Ozpol, most people are pretty jacked off with Israel.

most people don't care at all you live in la la land

for those that do, younger people generally dont like israel older people generally are more favourable

its very easy for a small group of loudmouths to appear like theyre more representative of everyone else than they really are

There's the sum-up of the disproportione impact of activists.

Pwogwessives are motivated to be constantly railing against what IS. Conservatives want to be left alone to get on with their lives unmolested by maniacs for change.

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Reply #111 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:54pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

I fully agree.

Good to see a politician with some balls and conviction.

The conviction to encourage anti-semitism by repeating terrorist slogans in this country?

It has no place here -from Politicians, protesters on our streets or in our Universities.

Which Semite are you referring to? As far as I know, Semites are of Arab origin or Palestinians, while over 90% of today's Jews are not Semites but (Khazars or Turks). They are actually misrepresenting themselves as Semites and this can be proven very easily with a DNA test.
Being Jewish is a religious, not a racial, category.
You are actually anti-Semitic because you condone the killing of 40,000 Semitic children and women in Gaza.
Secondly, we Christians do not serve Mammon (the golden calf) but God.
If you want to serve Zionist mammon, that's your choice.

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Reply #112 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:26pm

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:02am:

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

That's mothra reasoning in action..............

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Reply #113 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:38pm

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freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

Of course not - many of the Israelis are Arabs.... now - so what if Israel is the kind of country that permits people to have a differing view? National policy must be self-defence.

Now then - if you'd said a great number of the Islamic faith stand with Israel over Gaza... and especially those living in Gaza ........... we'd all know for sure you were mental....... but you keep living in the past created by your fantasies.... I'm 75 and if the Eld Gel wasn't increasingly dependent on me I'd be moving to Israel.... I have the courage of my convictions .... I'll see you across the border when you go live modern in Gaza with your modern way of thinking ....

Boomers? **ears prick up** ... welcome to the Failing fifties - home of breast cancers and kidney failures and many heart attacks and lots of other things that we Boomers (that's MR/MRS Boomer to you!) have already been through.... your mental issues we already understand.... you supported Lefty in 'his' madness... but of course - he was a raging poof who was a sock anyway and had a Nazi father and one gay kid and one tranny kid.... but he earned many thousands a week and used dating sites to pick up temporary women! Ask him. what a loser all round!!!

"I'll come down to the nursing home and yell at you!", he said - picking up a sheaf of wet lettuce leaves....

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Reply #114 - Jul 8^th, 2024 at 9:47pm

Well - my DNA is 10% Jews of Europe... but I knew that already..... thing is - are they Diaspora Jews or Ashkenazi? I think the latter... had blonde lady friends who were Jewish of Europe... some on one side - including the Walters - have red hair or blonde ... their granny was my grand-dad's sister... but their mother was from the Walters ..... one invented Aboriginal mathematics.... true genius... Ph.D in Mental gymnastics ...

Personally I can't see any reason to hate anyone... sniping Hamas is an unemotional business - like killing vermin.... if they keep up the killing and dying they will create a new Fertile Crescent.... when we 10% Jews take over we'll plant fruit trees over them in memory ... mass graves grow the best crops..... from the liver to the seat ......

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Reply #115 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:04pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

I , again have zero issue with senator Payman.

I urge anyone who has only recently heard her name to research her speeches and interviews.

She isn't a one issue headline.

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

I want to live and have my children children's live in the Australia she believes can be built.

Labor is doing Labor, women are at best token nods to equally.

Gillard was kicked to kerb for being intelligent and talented.

Penny Wong is now kept on the sidelines because she's twice as smart as Albo and he doesn't want to shown up.

Fatima dares to vote in what she believes in and kicked out.

No wonder the next election and every election for the end of time will be the choice between two males!

America down Under....you get to choose between Mr dumb or Mr dumber

Are you fair dinkum?

She is 1st & foremost a Muslim ... she pushes a Islamic/secular barrow in our Parliament. She chants Hamas terrorist slogans "from the river to the sea" and it turns out she was seeking advice about resigning from the Labor Party before she crossed the floor.

She did not play as a team member for the party that gave her the opportunity to represent constituents on a Labor platform.

That speaks volumes to her character & generation. And yours.

2ndly she is a dual citizen and as such in ineligible to hold a seat in the Australian Parliament.

In 2017/18 we had a national Parliamentary Eligibility crisis where 15 sitting MPs either pre-emptively resigned or were ruled by the High Court to be ineligible to hold their positions because they held dual citizenship.

Payman is delivering Taqiyya to our Parliament by claiming she was exiled and victimised by the Labor Party.

She should resign now or be turfed out according the Constitution sect 44(i).

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Reply #116 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:10pm

capitosinora wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 8:38pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

I fully agree.

Good to see a politician with some balls and conviction.

The conviction to encourage anti-semitism by repeating terrorist slogans in this country?

It has no place here -from Politicians, protesters on our streets or in our Universities.

Which Semite are you referring to? As far as I know, Semites are of Arab origin or Palestinians, while over 90% of today's Jews are not Semites but (Khazars or Turks). They are actually misrepresenting themselves as Semites and this can be proven very easily with a DNA test.
Being Jewish is a religious, not a racial, category.
You are actually anti-Semitic because you condone the killing of 40,000 Semitic children and women in Gaza.
Secondly, we Christians do not serve Mammon (the golden calf) but God.
If you want to serve Zionist mammon, that's your choice.

"If God is dead, anything is permitted"
F.M. Dostoyevsky

Piss off you CCP shill.

Make it Israeli Jews then.

I didn't condone killing anyone other than Hamas & Hezbollah terrorists.
Most Palestinians support those groups.

Most Palestinians chant "from the river to the sea".. which is meant to say drive all the Jews into the sea and remove the state of Israel.

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Reply #119 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:35pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:23pm:

It's of no concern to me she's a Muslim.

Well you better read this ....

Regarding 3:28, ibn Kathir writes, "meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly." He quotes the Companion of the Prophet Abu al-Darda, who said "we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya

Muslims covertly despise you and anyone else who is not of the Islamic faith ... it's just the way muslims are, and we need to teach them differently. We need to change their mindset about being "unfriendly" because it's not a good basis for securing a cohesive nation wide community

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Reply #120 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #122 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm

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You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

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Reply #123 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:52pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:05pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

What was she thinking when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

River to the sea?
It's a new seafood restaurant in Bankstown.

Very good I believe, bookings essential.

It's being promoted heavily in Sydney and on social media!

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Reply #124 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:14pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:05pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

What was she thinking when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

River to the sea?
It's a new seafood restaurant in Bankstown.

Very good I believe, bookings essential.

It's being promoted heavily in Sydney and on social media!

Would you say that Fati is as honest as you are?

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Reply #125 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:24pm

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It's of no concern to me she's a Muslim.

It's of great concern to me if she's been illegally sworn into government as a dual citizenship holder. Are you completely sure of this fact?

I find it improbable but not impossible that Albo would have allowed this to occur?

Why? I gave you an example of it happening in 2017/18 ....a lot of those MPs were even born in Australia. There were 15 of them.

It caused at least 4 by-elections and as many resignations.

As for you having no concerns about her being Muslim .... you should have ... if she's pushing a Muslim/sectarian agenda in our Parliament.

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Reply #126 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 4:50pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:23pm:

It's of no concern to me she's a Muslim.

It's of great concern to me if she's been illegally sworn into government as a dual citizenship holder. Are you completely sure of this fact?

I find it improbable but not impossible that Albo would have allowed this to occur?

Why? I gave you an example of it happening in 2017/18 ....a lot of those MPs were even born in Australia. There were 15 of them.

It caused at least 4 by-elections and as many resignations.

As for you having no concerns about her being Muslim .... you should have ... if she's pushing a Muslim/sectarian agenda in our Parliament.

And that sectarian agenda was begun when Albanese Labor decided to divide Australians on race through The Voice. Dividing Australians through race and faith based politics.

This has no place in Australia. We are seeing how this sectarianism is playing out in the UK and it doesn't augur well for our future.

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Reply #127 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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Reply #128 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

Aquarius wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 4:50pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:24pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 12:23pm:

It's of no concern to me she's a Muslim.

It's of great concern to me if she's been illegally sworn into government as a dual citizenship holder. Are you completely sure of this fact?

I find it improbable but not impossible that Albo would have allowed this to occur?

I totally appreciate the little more than criminal acts of past MP's in denying there dual citizenship and the ultimate cost born my us the taxpayer for there inability to be truthful.

You have stated senator Payman holds dual citizenship.

Is that true?

Do you have proof?

If it's correct than I will retracted all support for her and openly let loose at the Albo government for allowing her to be sworn into government.

I'm simply asking for proof?

Or did you just imagine it?

It's all ok with me either way.

Why? I gave you an example of it happening in 2017/18 ....a lot of those MPs were even born in Australia. There were 15 of them.

It caused at least 4 by-elections and as many resignations.

As for you having no concerns about her being Muslim .... you should have ... if she's pushing a Muslim/sectarian agenda in our Parliament.

And that sectarian agenda was begun when Albanese Labor decided to divide Australians on race through The Voice. Dividing Australians through race and faith based politics.

This has no place in Australia. We are seeing how this sectarianism is playing out in the UK and it doesn't augur well for our future.

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Reply #131 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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You're the only fanciful liar old woke wanker.

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Reply #132 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:55pm

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Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:

She's been called out as a dual citizenship holder in federal government.

Is this true or just someone imagination?

She was excused because the Taliban can't or won't process applications for cancelling citizenship

And that doesn't cut the mustard..... no excuses.

How ever it can be remedied it should be remedied ....

in the meantime the terrorist supporting fool should resign her job. She has no right to be an Independent.

Neither does Lydia Thorpe or Jackie Lambie.

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Reply #133 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm

Thank you.
It's a decent point you make.

If her Afghanistan citizenship isn't cancel ( from no fault her own) she is a dual citizenship holder!

Should not be sworn into government! Who granted the exemption and how ?
Oh please let it be king Albo and his faceless men!
The irony will be breathtaking!
Why the Jakie lambe hate?

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Reply #134 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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Well, bbwiyawn, you talk but mostly yawn like a useless, ignorant ****with who doesn't talk to the postman, let alone Muslims. You certainly show ZERO insight you would have gained from talking to Muslims. You just assert shhit. Nobody believes you, old bbbwiyawn.

Why don't you give some EVIDENCE of having spoken to Mulism and of comprehending what you discussed. We never hear what they said, what you said, only that you have spoken to many of them.

You are the lying little idiot, bbwian. We all know it. Even you.

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Reply #135 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:10pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:05pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

What was she thinking when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

River to the sea?
It's a new seafood restaurant in Bankstown.

Very good I believe, bookings essential.

It's being promoted heavily in Sydney and on social media!

Would you say that Fati is as honest as you are?

Excellent question, reminder to self never play chess with this person Angry

I'll keep my answer short out of fear of digging myself a bigger hole Grin

I do not trust anyone elected to government to be as honest as I.

I set the bar reasonable low and have zero expectations a Australia member of parliament from any sides would ever reach it or exceed it.

I'll see myself out Cheesy

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Reply #136 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:10pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 3:14pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:05pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 6:21pm:

So much more of her thinking and ideas are truly what I agree with!

What was she thinking when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

River to the sea?
It's a new seafood restaurant in Bankstown.

Very good I believe, bookings essential.

It's being promoted heavily in Sydney and on social media!

Would you say that Fati is as honest as you are?

Excellent question, reminder to self never play chess with this person Angry

I'll keep my answer short out of fear of digging myself a bigger hole Grin

I do not trust anyone elected to government to be as honest as I.

I set the bar reasonable low and have zero expectations a Australia member of parliament from any sides would ever reach it or exceed it.

I'll see myself out Cheesy

I'm glad you think it's funny, but unfortunately making up excuses for Jew-slaughtering Muslims is the latest woke trend.

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Reply #137 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 9:47pm

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Thank you.
It's a decent point you make.

If her Afghanistan citizenship isn't cancel ( from no fault her own) she is a dual citizenship holder!

Should not be sworn into government! Who granted the exemption and how ?
Oh please let it be king Albo and his faceless men!
The irony will be breathtaking!
Why the Jakie lambe hate?

Fatima needs to resign from Australian politics questions need to be asked how Labor let this happen.

Another Afghan
She fled Afghanistan for Australia in 2021.
Running for the Taliban and not from them.

The Taliban can confirm she is a team member but a WA senator can't cancel her citizenship.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #138 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:10pm

A western Sydney property development company that offered a halal-friendly “interest-free housing solution” has left hundreds of Muslim families facing ruin amid allegations that it mortgaged its own mosque in breach of sharia law.

The developer, Qartaba Homes, spruiked its interest-free solution as motivated by Islamic anti-interest sharia laws, but has since gone into administration.

The victims are mostly Muslim families from Pakistan who came to Australia to start a life and buy a home but have seen their lands possessed and sold at auction.

Qartaba and its sister company Hume Homes are run by Wajahat Rana, Khurram Jawaid and Kashif Aziz. Since 2012, Qartaba has sold lots off the plan in western Sydney, Melbourne’s eastern suburbs, and southern Queensland.

It promoted itself as Australia’s “interest-free halal answer” to the housing market’s “fluctuating interest rates”, primarily targeting Muslim families.

Qartaba would buy land before selling it to customers off the plan per lot. Customers would pay a deposit for the land, before then paying monthly or quarterly development costs or land payments, which would be interest free.

Qartaba even named streets after Pakistan’s major cities, such as Lahore St and Karachi St.

Customers who bought land a decade ago, and paid development costs, are still waiting for ownership of the property. Some are waiting for construction to start.

Others have had their lots sold off, auctioned by creditors who possessed the land after Qartaba failed to pay its debt.

In many cases, Qartaba had mortgaged the land to secure those loans, without notifying customers, who – speaking on the condition of anonymity – alleged it was so that it could borrow and build more. Some have claimed incompetence.

Others have alleged criminality, and that emails and phone calls go unanswered to directors who don’t answer the door at their Riverstone office.

The directors are prominent in the community and were board members of the Islamic Forum for Australian Muslims – Mr Aziz was recently its vice-president – and at its 2023 convention Qartaba was a “silver sponsor”.

One person with knowledge of the situation said Qartaba’s rapid expansion had been akin to “Icarus flying too close to the sun”.

Qartaba’s Riverstone Masjid is going under the hammer, leaving the community furious at the mortgaging of the mosque, which is against sharia law. It was shut and possessed in April by a creditor, from whom Qartaba took out a $1.7m loan on the property, and put up for sale for $2m as a “timeless heritage homestead”, although its fate remains unclear.

The community was crowd-funding to buy it back and The Australian understands that the creditor remained in negotiations with a party who’d retain the property as a mosque, although there are multiple caveats on the property, which places a freeze on any new owner registering it.

Left in the dark
Qartaba and Hume Homes took out mortgages on large amounts of its land across the east coast, after it had been sold as lots to customers.

Creditors, which across the two companies total almost 30, have since come circling, repossessing the mortgaged land and auctioning it off to recover what’s owed. Customers have seen land they bought years prior sold off.

Others have attempted to put a caveat on the land, but that hasn’t been able to stop the sell-off.

They allege they’ve been left in the dark by the developer, were not told the land had been mortgaged, and had to find out for themselves that lots they’d bought were being sold.

Some of Qartaba’s land in Tarneit in Victoria has already been auctioned off by creditors, and at plots in Schofields, Austral, Riverstone and Werrington County in NSW, and other sites in Victoria and Queensland.

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Reply #139 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:11pm

One lender, Balanced Securities Limited, run by former top lawyer David Geer, appointed an external administrator to Qartaba in April, which had not paid back in full the mortgage it took out to borrow across four blocks of land in Tarneit, which have since been put up for sale by the creditor.

In 2018, Qartaba took out a $34.6m loan from Balanced Securities, with an interest rate of up to 19.95 per cent.

According to the Australian Securities & Investments Commission, creditors have securities on all of the two companies’ present and future properties. In some of those agreements, the companies borrowed in the millions each time, with one mortgage signed in late 2023 including up to a 26 per cent interest rate. In multiple sites, creditors have possessed mortgaged lands as the two companies failed to pay what they borrowed.

In May and June, at least 30 plots of Qartaba’s NSW land were sold at auction, many of which customers had signed and paid contracts on years prior.

Last week, the mortgagee also exercised its power of sale of Qartaba’s two sites across 149 and 161 Riverstone Rd, NSW, which sold for $5.6m and $2.65m respectively.

At the same auction, Qartaba’s 30 Kelly St, Austral, sold for $14.7m while its land at 2 John Oxley Ave was for sale at $2.5m.

In Victoria, 137 lots at Qartaba’s 120 Bodycoats Rd are up for sale, with one customer who purchased in mid-2018 saying they feared they could lose both their land and likely the money they put into it.

‘Complete loss’
Hundreds of customers have enlisted legal representation to help salvage what’s left, and those who sought retrospective financial advice have been met with damning news. One solicitor called Qartaba’s contracts the “most unsatisfactory” they’d seen, calling the documents “extremely unfair” and that the negative implications fell heavily onto the customer.

An accountant told a customer investments with Qartaba were a “complete loss at this stage”, while crisis meetings have been held with state and federal MPs.

In June, NSW Fair Trading Commissioner Natasha Mann said the watchdog was “concerned” about the issues being raised about Qartaba and was “making inquiries”.
Dither and delay
Sister company Hume Homes sold its off-the-plan contracts at 71 and 121-123 Boundary Rd, Box Hill, in southwest Sydney, between 2014 and 2016. At 121-123, a single lot cost about $150,000 for the land, and settlement should have been end-2019, but the land remains a patch of shrubbery.

A development application was submitted to Hills Shire Council in August 2016, approved two years later in mid-2018, before Hume Homes lodged a construction certificate application in November 2020, which was approved in June 2023. Council blamed the delay on planning issues by Hume Homes and said the same problems held up the next phase of the planning process.

The development cost per lot for customers was about $110,000, which was divided into monthly or quarterly interest-free payments. Any additional cost sought should have been paid on settlement.

But citing an “unusual increase in cost of living” in 2023, Hume Homes asked each customer to pay an additional $25,000 for unspecified “development charges”.

‘Negative propaganda’
The company has claimed it’s a victim of “unethical behaviour and negative propaganda” originating from WhatsApp groups.

Membership of those groups, however, are in the hundreds. All are customers, who Qartaba has blamed for approaching councils directly, claiming it has resulted in investors pulling funds.

“This negative campaign has affected our business resulting in lesser interest by investors (and) many pulling their investments,” a Qartaba statement claimed.

“Civil contractors and consultants working on our projects get alarmed. Some have ceased work on our projects and a few have refused to bid for (new) projects.”

The directors failed to respond to questions from The Australian.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #140 - Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

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Reply #141 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

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bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good Muslim*
Reply #142 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:36am

MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

I think if I wasn't following a how to vote card, then I would always put the coalition ( Liberals and Nationals ) last.

So why aren't you doing that? Or are you too silly to understand the "how to vote" card is nothing more than a (serving) suggestion?

The preference vote is laid out to give the party (or individual) you chose as your first preference, the best possible advantage in our preferential voting system.

Regretfully, preferential voting is an area too few voters understand - which is a pretty appalling state of being, as a nation of adult voters.

I've always believed ...
"Our Constitution, Government, Voting and Our Political History"
... should be a compulsory subject for a year, before school leaving age.
Any Australian can name America's first president, yet so few of them can name Australia's first PM.

It always gives me a bit of a chuckle,
that our self-proclaimed expert on all things "moslem"
- can't even spell the word, as yet.

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Reply #143 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 8:41am

MattE wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:10pm:

whiteknight wrote on Jul 6^th, 2024 at 5:01pm:

I think if I wasn't following a how to vote card, then I would always put the coalition ( Liberals and Nationals ) last.

So why aren't you doing that? Or are you too silly to understand the "how to vote" card is nothing more than a suggestion?

WK likes to do what he is told. You can tell by what he posts here. Often he does not seem to know why he is posting it.

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Reply #145 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
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Reply #146 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

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Reply #148 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #149 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

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Reply #150 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:45pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values

ACTUALLY - ALL religions ("christians" and catholics included) hold beliefs "that are contrary to western values"
I'm a HEATHEN HOMO, who couldn't give a
flying f
uck what religious fundamentalists and nut-job hypocrites think.
I don't think I'm alone in demanding religion and governance should never be mixed.
Look no further than Roe vs Wade being overturned by a minority (Christians and Catholics), negating the human rights of the majority.

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Reply #151 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 5:56pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:45pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values

ACTUALLY - ALL religions ("christians" and catholics included) hold beliefs "that are contrary to western values"
I'm a HEATHEN HOMO, who couldn't give a
flying f
uck what religious fundamentalists and nut-job hypocrites think.
I don't think I'm alone in demanding religion and governance should never be mixed.
Look no further than Roe vs Wade being overturned by a minority (Christians and Catholics), negating the human rights of the majority.

Do you see any variation in the extent to which they are contrary to western values?

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Reply #152 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #153 - Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

And YOU are, yawning ****wit???

What did all those Muslims you have spoken you tell you about Islam? You have never, EVER offered any insight from all your discussions with them, except that there is nothing to report.

I think you are the lying, dissembling cockwomble, Bbwiyawn. You have spoken to Muslims but never about Islam.

You are a lying worm.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #155 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 12:35am

Anyone who wishes to support Hamas' Gaza can go there and help.... we are not interested here....

Was I wrong? Penny Wong and quite a few Labor people said we should support a Palestinian State - so Fatima says the same and all hell breaks loose? Israel offers for years a 'Two State Solution' (like Aborassic Park/Abestine here) and it is vilified as 'racist' etc - the idea is rejected, then the elected 'leaders' of Gaza (not Palestine) start a war .... and demand that the winning side give up and make peace unconditionally.....

What gives?

I'm neutral about Ms Fatima at this time..... persuade me...... is she a rabid Islamist or a realist caught up in Labor's games with the people?

Now then - we could put it to the Australia As a Whole Voice Committee in Parliament....... just to offer some advice to the government of the day....... make 'em an offer they can't refuse...

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #156 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #157 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:28am

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Thank you.
It's a decent point you make.

If her Afghanistan citizenship isn't cancel ( from no fault her own) she is a dual citizenship holder!

Should not be sworn into government! Who granted the exemption and how ?
Oh please let it be king Albo and his faceless men!
The irony will be breathtaking!
Why the Jakie lambe hate?

I don't hate Jackie Lambie .... I just think she, like Thorpe & now Payman ... were selected into their political roles/positions by registered political parties ... so they got on on those party tickets..

they were to represent those parties ideals.

Thorpe - Greens
Lambie - Palmer United
Payman - ALP.

In my honest opinion if they resign from those parties then they should forfeit their position as they no longer represent those who saw them into office.

If they want to remain - a by-election should be held to see if they can retain their seats as Independents.

That they are allowed to stay on as Independent MPs or Senators is ridiculous.

It's like me resigning my job and my employer having to continue to pay me for 4 years afterwards.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #159 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:35am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a complete idiot.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #161 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #162 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #163 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #164 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you got any questions to ask me Brian? Or are you afraid of that also?

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Reply #165 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:06pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2024 at 9:53am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 7:33pm:

Payman isn’t a one issue politician.

I have followed her and always been very impressed by her views beyond this subject.

I fully support Israel and believe Payman ( if you bother to read what she says) is completely correct.

The only viable option is the two state solution!

Fatima Payman is about the only politician is Canberra I believe of independent thinking and has our nation best interests forefront.

It’s labor lost.

But obviously labor hates super smart women! Where is Gillard? See plenty of pictures of failed Rudd and best make Albo together?

I encourage everyone to consider her views and speeches.

I wouldn’t think twice to vote for her or a candidate in a party she may form.

More fool you.

Her parroting "from the river to the sea", is an anti-semitic slogan .... the sharp rise in anti-semitism in this country has been encouraged by her.

The Palestinian Authority is controlled by Hamas and they along with other terror Islamic groups & countries want the Israeli state and it's Jewish people driven into the sea.

Her support for the so called 2 state solution is misguided because in reality that's not what the Islamists want.

Her increased support for Palestine since the Oct 7 attacks by Hamas is foolish & telling of her memory loss as to how & why she and her family now live in Australia.

Fleeing the strife torn Islamic hell hole of Afghanistan run by the Taliban she is now endorsing a similar styled regime to run a new state called Palestine. Oh the irony.

If she doesn't want to be a team player with an obvious left leaning govt & remain openly defiant of their rules regarding party unity then she should resign and join the looney Greens or resign and rerun as an Independent.

So far the ALPs sanctioning of her even though pressured) has been the only sensible decision Labor has made since Albanese took the helm.

Of course now she's in the media playing the emotional blackmail card saying she's been "exiled" and intimidated/bullied by her own party. Grin

She needs to take responsibility for the outcomes of her decisions .... not blame others.

Horseshit. It might be anti the aggressive State of Israel, but not anti Jew.

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Reply #166 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:09pm

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you got any questions to ask me Brian? Or are you afraid of that also?

If he has, it would be a complete waste of time. You have never answered a question. You have always been a half smart arse running around misrepresenting what your Members have said.

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Reply #168 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 4:11pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 11:28am:

Daves2017 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Thank you.
It's a decent point you make.

If her Afghanistan citizenship isn't cancel ( from no fault her own) she is a dual citizenship holder!

Should not be sworn into government! Who granted the exemption and how ?
Oh please let it be king Albo and his faceless men!
The irony will be breathtaking!
Why the Jakie lambe hate?

I don't hate Jackie Lambie .... I just think she, like Thorpe & now Payman ... were selected into their political roles/positions by registered political parties ... so they got on on those party tickets..

they were to represent those parties ideals.

Thorpe - Greens
Lambie - Palmer United
Payman - ALP.

In my honest opinion if they resign from those parties then they should forfeit their position as they no longer represent those who saw them into office.

If they want to remain - a by-election should be held to see if they can retain their seats as Independents.

That they are allowed to stay on as Independent MPs or Senators is ridiculous.

It's like me resigning my job and my employer having to continue to pay me for 4 years afterwards.

Totally agree.

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Reply #170 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #171 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:16pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #175 - Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:26pm

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

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You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

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Reply #177 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:19am

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:52am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:49am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:26am:

freediver wrote on Jul 8^th, 2024 at 8:15am:

Quote:

You all claiming antisemitism when it is clearly nothing of the sort while pimping Islamophobia is certainly a treat.

Why is it clearly not anti semitism?

Because it's not directed at Jewish people or the Jewish faith. In fact, a great many of the Jewish faith also stand with Palestine.

The problem is with Israel, the governemt, led by ultra right wing loonies who are driving Israel off a cliff and taking as many women and children with it as it can manage.

But this has all been explained to you countless times. Now all there is to look forward to, as i have have stooped to reply to you, is you verballing me for pages and lying about what i said.

As you do, trolling your own forum.

So if someone was publicly supporting Germany during WWII without specifically mentioning Nazis or Jews, you would also insist that that has nothing to do with anti semitism?

Do you insist that your stance has nothing to do with Islamophobia?

I'm not even sure what Islamophobia means. Do you suffer from Naziphobia? I think Islam is a dangerous and oppressive ideology, if that's what you mean. It is responsible for more suffering in the modern world than any other ideology (thanks to the collapse of communism).

What do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

So that's a yes then.

The truth will set you free, Fleadriver.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

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What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

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mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

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mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

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mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #183 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:41am

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Spineless jew hater.

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #184 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:45am

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Spineless jew hater.

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48809 At my desk.	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #185 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:38am Are any of Fati's other supporters brave enough to offer an opinion on what she meant?
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 43233 Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #186 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:41am mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:17am: We know imitation is the highest form of flattery .... ergo Frank hearts Brian.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34991 Gender:	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #187 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:53am freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:38am: Are any of Fati's other supporters brave enough to offer an opinion on what she meant? What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it. Explain.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #189 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 4:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #192 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:26am

Out of the Labor and into the Muslim push for a power base united...

Well - that is their right under our form of democracy - though they wouldn't have it where they come from etc.... the fun will become once they start the demands for special treatment like................ certain others are doing so successfully at this time....

Now perhaps 'governments' here might start to understand what they have done to the Australian people... but, of course, they'll just stick their heads in the sand as they do with other things and just pretend it's not there.... not an issue at all ...

Lessee now - what would those be? I was born a bastard, so as a conscientious bastard I should simply speak the truth...

Transgender Ideology
Women's never-ending 'rights' to more
Aboriginal never-ending 'rights' to more and eventually all
Ethnic rights - jeez we did so well with the Greeks and the Italians, too.... even the Turks we have here are mostly great...
Costs of living ......................
jeez my decision to buy a 'tank' ink printer was good - cost me $300 and $18 each fora huge refill bottle or four with all colours = $72 for about 3-4000 pages .... the Eld Gel's four small cartridges that she sent me in to buy - about 40 pages or so - went up to $105 a set... say what? They'd be worth $10. Everything's gone up 50% except our incomes. No wonder Albo had to hand the 'governor-general' old mate an extra $200k tax free pa just to survive on.... phew... what a relief to know she won't have to beg at Vinnies or something... it's a tough life on the fattest trough in the land ....

What else? Feel free to add as you wish...... plenty of issues out there crying for justice.....

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #193 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 11:18am

There is so much conversation right now about societal decline and the shredding of social cohesion. What happens when we have generational decline? We have entire cohorts who are experts in rights but no clue about responsibilities. Who value victimhood above everything else. And who despite being elected to serve the Australian people in the Senate, complain about not having a “support person” to go and front up to the Prime Minister and explain yourself after launching a missile at him and the party that put you in your $280k a year job in the first place.

Honestly, Fatima Payman is the embodiment of what I’m talking about. Deluded enough to refer to herself as the “voice of West Australians”. Deluded enough to think she is in parliament because she’s special or talented and not because of the machinations of the ALP and the West Australian union movement.

Bet they’re high-fiving themselves now. On behalf of the rest of Australia, go to your room and have a good hard think about what you did.

It gets better (or worse) because this week the ALP’s youth movement publicly threw its support behind Payman. This is the kids telling Mum and Dad to go get stuffed. While this is primarily and for now a problem for the ALP, I want the rest of us to think about why it matters. Why it does, and why it will continue to.

We are running out of time to turn the ship. Ever the optimist, I think there is still time but, when you think about how long it takes for societal erosion, the clock is ticking, loudly.

It’s not just soft policing that has created this. It’s soft parenting. Soft teaching. Soft leading. All of it. And by soft, I don’t mean the alternative is harshness or hardness. What I mean is that you cannot remove consequences, in any context, and expect to produce young people of character and substance.
...

You can’t fast-track experience and you can’t learn discipline, leadership and sacrifice any other way than being disciplined, led well and having to endure sacrifice. We don’t want needy brats who were told everything they ever did was spectacular and that microaggression is real (it really is not) and that there is a back door out of every situation because they’ve never had to face or wear a consequence.

The ridiculous charade of Payman’s crusade for self is such a brilliant, helpful and instructive example of what I’m talking about.
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #194 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 11:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What about thinking for yourself Brian? Do you have the right or even the ability to do that?

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #195 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:31pm

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 11:41am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 8:12am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 1:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 6:43am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 7:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 2:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian the only person here I have seen demonstrate fear of talking to Muslims is you. Telling everyone else what Muslims think is not the same as talking to them.

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What sort of proof would you like Brian? You admitted yourself that you did not talk to any Muslim here until Gandalf turned up.

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

All those Muslims you worked, studied and served with, did you ever find out their views on those aspects of Islam that are contrary to western values, universal human rights etc? Or were you afraid to ask? Just like you were afraid to ask the half dozen or so Muslims who regularly posted here before Gandalf?

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever discovered a Muslim with an Islam-inspired opinion you find objectionable? You seem like the sort of person who would find out whether it was safe to ask the question first.

Do you have the right or the ability to criticise Islam and Muslim countries?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Have you ever asked a Muslim a question Brian?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Brian do you have the right or even the ability to ask a Muslim a question?

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Are you a parrot Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What about thinking for yourself Brian? Do you have the right or even the ability to do that?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #196 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

. Such a

bad liar

that you don't have any proof to what you claim. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Bbwiyawn is more educated than most here. Oh yes. Just look - he is positively dripping with education, insight, wit and wisdom.
Doktor of Divinity, Masters, Bachelors - he's got it all, don't you know. Oh yes.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40359	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #198 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm: I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket. One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40359	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #199 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:32pm Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:53pm: Bbwiyawn is more educated than most here. Oh yes. Just look - he is positively dripping with education, insight, wit and wisdom. Doktor of Divinity, Masters, Bachelors - he's got it all, don't you know. Oh yes. Tsk, tsk - say no more (Bbwiyawn doen't...)
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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #200 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:37pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:31pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 9:16pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 2:53pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 10:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 5:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2024 at 1:47pm:

You don't even know any Muslims do you, Bias. I have served with, studied with and worked with numerous Muslims. The attitude you ascribe to them doesn't exist except in perhaps a small minority. A minority that you believe are the majority. It's like the claim Jews drink babies' blood at Passover. Just pure bullshit. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You have made this charge now, what three times? I have challenged you each time to prove it and you have thus far failed to satisfy us that you have proof I am fearful to talk to Muslims. Until you do, I will charge you with lying, Freediver. Lying is of course an example of your bullshit strategy to promote discord.

You are a Liar, Freediver

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I'll accept that as your flag of surrender, Freediver. You've just admitted your a

Liar

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bad liar

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You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
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You are not worth discussing matters with Freediver. You are a

Liar

and as such are not worth the time of day. Now run along and terrorise other posters, you Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar.

Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Bbwiyawn is more educated than most here. Oh yes. Just look - he is positively dripping with education, insight, wit and wisdom.
Doktor of Divinity, Masters, Bachelors - he's got it all, don't you know. Oh yes.

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- say no more (Bbwiyawn doen't...)

Not me - I'm just adding to the quotes here...

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Reply #201 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 3:04pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bbwiyawn is more educated than most here. Oh yes. Just look - he is positively dripping with education, insight, wit and wisdom.
Doktor of Divinity, Masters, Bachelors - he's got it all, don't you know. Oh yes.

Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

- say no more (Bbwiyawn doen't...)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Oh, look, Bbwiyawn is articulating his complex, sophisticated, educated thoughts - for he is a Doktor of Divinity, oh, yes! - again!!

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Reply #203 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 11:10pm

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 3:04pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:32pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:53pm:

Bbwiyawn is more educated than most here. Oh yes. Just look - he is positively dripping with education, insight, wit and wisdom.
Doktor of Divinity, Masters, Bachelors - he's got it all, don't you know. Oh yes.

Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

- say no more (Bbwiyawn doen't...)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img641/9394/yawnr.gif

Oh, look, Bbwiyawn is articulating his complex, sophisticated, educated thoughts - for he is a Doktor of Divinity, oh, yes! - again!!

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40359	Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem Reply #204 - Jul 13^th, 2024 at 11:10pm Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 3:50pm: Pat Condell @patcondell I’ve always said Muslims in Britain will vote Labour until they can vote Muslim, then it’s bye-bye Labour. That’s what is happening now. Indeed. In Britain, in Australia, in the US, Canada, Europe.
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Reply #205 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #207 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 11:08am

Frank wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 3:50pm:

Pat Condell
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I’ve always said Muslims in Britain will vote Labour until they can vote Muslim, then it’s bye-bye Labour. That’s what is happening now.

Indeed. In Britain, in Australia, in the US, Canada, Europe.

Yes - the revolution is now ripe for a shot at taking 'balance of power' in the elected houses.... Australia, as usual, stupid enough to play the game of 'minority' = 1 stripe, woman = 2 stripes has, non-English speaking background = 3 stripes ...... (probable mental disability under the Chinese definition of Islam = 4 stripes) ....as usual and like the rest of the West under this nonsensical 'inclusion equity' business, the governance of luxury thinking while the toilet yawns wide and neo-feudalism threatens to engulf the majority, has shot itself in the foot.

With 'balance of power' THIS 3% can have a huge measure of control over politics in this nation. Vote wisely in future people - if you don't know the bad parties by now ... if you don't know the bad individuals by now.... just keep on the way you have been. Are you for your people and for what is right - or not?

Australian (gasps) CULTURE demands a fair go for all equally - not pucking unequally all the frigate time...

I TOLD YOU SO - ON ALL FRONTS - IGNORE AT YOUR PERIL

It little profits that an idle king,
By this still hearth, among these barren crags,
Match'd with an aged wife, I mete and dole
Unequal laws unto a savage race,
That hoard, and sleep, and feed, and know not me.
I cannot rest from travel: I will drink
Life to the lees: All times I have enjoy'd
Greatly, have suffer'd greatly, both with those
That loved me, and alone, on shore, and when
Thro' scudding drifts the rainy Hyades
Vext the dim sea: I am become a name;
For always roaming with a hungry heart
Much have I seen and known; cities of men
And manners, climates, councils, governments,
Myself not least, but honour'd of them all;
And drunk delight of battle with my peers,
Far on the ringing plains of windy Troy.

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Reply #208 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
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Reply #209 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

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Reply #210 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:30pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #211 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Just as an example Brian, if the doctor asked you if you would unchain him and let him out of your basement, would you accuse him of lying and suggest that you might answer his questions if he answers yours first, then run away when he asks what questions you want answered?

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Reply #212 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Just as an example Brian, if the doctor asked you if you would unchain him and let him out of your basement, would you accuse him of lying and suggest that you might answer his questions if he answers yours first, then run away when he asks what questions you want answered?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #213 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 6:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Just as an example Brian, if the doctor asked you if you would unchain him and let him out of your basement, would you accuse him of lying and suggest that you might answer his questions if he answers yours first, then run away when he asks what questions you want answered?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is it true that you have never asked a Muslim a question, and the one time a Muslim tried to tell you about Islam, you covered your ears and chanted "islam is no different from any other religion, and I have no right to criticise..."?

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Reply #214 - Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:20pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 6:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 5:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:25pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 3:13pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2024 at 9:00am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 2:31pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2024 at 1:55pm:

I wonder if Brian is another Fati cheerleader, or is he just here to remind us of all the Muslims he has avoided offending in his career with the mop bucket.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Tell us about the time you found a doctor of divinity in the trash you were emptying Brian. Was it a piece of paper, or did you find a corpse in the bin and take it home?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is the doctor chained up in your basement Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Just as an example Brian, if the doctor asked you if you would unchain him and let him out of your basement, would you accuse him of lying and suggest that you might answer his questions if he answers yours first, then run away when he asks what questions you want answered?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Is it true that you have never asked a Muslim a question, and the one time a Muslim tried to tell you about Islam, you covered your ears and chanted "islam is no different from any other religion, and I have no right to criticise..."?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Fatima Payman is a good moslem
Reply #215 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:20am

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

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Reply #216 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 1:20pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:20am:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar.
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Reply #217 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

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Reply #218 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

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Reply #219 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

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Reply #220 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

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Reply #221 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over.

You are a Liar

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Reply #223 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 6:59pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

Thats' classic bullshyte ... she knows all about fundamentalist/radical Islam ...

she & her parents fled the Taliban in Afgahnistan to Australia when she was 8 years old.

So I'd suggest she has a short memory because Hamas & the Palestinian Authority follow similar ideals to the Taliban.

Israel eradicated 2,000 years ago?? Grin

You talk a lot of bollocks.

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Reply #224 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

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Reply #225 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:02pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

Spoken like a true Islamic Dhimmi.

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Reply #226 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #227 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Do you have the right to criticise Islam Brian? I am prepared to accept you lack the ability, as there is clearly something fundamental lacking there, but the right?

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Reply #228 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:24pm

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Do you have the right to criticise Islam Brian? I am prepared to accept you lack the ability, as there is clearly something fundamental lacking there, but the right?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar
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Reply #229 - Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 9:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Do you have the right to criticise Islam Brian? I am prepared to accept you lack the ability, as there is clearly something fundamental lacking there, but the right?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar
. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

What I am saying is, right there in your quote is the proof of your lies that you were demanding from Gnads. Don't you feel slightly silly demanding that Gnads provides proof when you were quoting it for him?

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Reply #232 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 7:44am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Everytime you put fingers to keyboard & present the BS you put on here.

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Reply #233 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 11:54am

Enough of the in-fighting - we have a nation to save from itself... and we need to start pressuring politicians about the underlying issues - and that includes our immigration mix, and at the very bottom, first port of call - do we need any more Muslims given their history?

You oughta hear the comments worldwide over their plan and agenda. they want control of the whole show... it's their godly mission - so .... do we need them at all? Your 'tolerance' will not save you from the barbarian.

Now you have it, gentlemen - they think they have arrived at a tipping point in a country hopelessly and helplessly divided against itself by political decree over 'other issues' - where they can grab for control of power in the Senate and thus begin to force changes to suit them.

Is there anyone here who does not think they will all vote one way? Same as 'others' have done and do in the past and present? You know where to trace that back - this calculated forming of power blocs on the basis of ranted reasonings. think back to the 1970's ..... where it all began....

"Where did it all begin? In the 1970's Australia realised it was facing a new kind of war, and set about developing fair mobile divisions to fit this new style....... or did it begin back in the 1960's with the French Immobility Group 100, unable to halt the rise and rise of feminism...."

From:- We Were Solider Once - and Young.

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Reply #234 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:50pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an.

You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina.

In this way, Mohammed and his followers became the first immigrants. But once he had become more powerful and gained the numbers in Medina and had defeated the very people who took him in and gave him protection, he started to write all the nasty stuff in the Qur'an. Mohammed said that if there are conflicting messages in the Qur'an, then the last written is the true version that supercedes the earlier version and this is what muslims are to follow.

Unfortunately for the unbelievers, that is generally all the nasty stuff from Medina - and that is the version the clerics and scholars of Islam preach. Mohammed's message to his followers is to migrate into new areas, seek protection, and then when you have enough supporters and power, you kill and defeat your protectors, you take their land and you install Islam as the only religion.

The most fundamental requirement of all mussos is immigration jihad. Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting.

Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers ...

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Reply #235 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:55pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 7:44am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 8:41pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 3:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:15pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15^th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV. I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments. It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them. I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.

Do you recall posting this Brian?

One day you'll get the message, Freediver. Hell will also freeze over. You are a Liar. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

You're a delusional liar ... & hypocrite.

Prove I have lied, Gnads. Go on. Prove I am a hypocrite. Go on. If you have the guts and the ability. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

Everytime you put fingers to keyboard & present the BS you put on here.

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Reply #236 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:59pm

Aquarius wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an.

You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina.

In this way, Mohammed and his followers became the first immigrants. But once he had become more powerful and gained the numbers in Medina and had defeated the very people who took him in and gave him protection, he started to write all the nasty stuff in the Qur'an. Mohammed said that if there are conflicting messages in the Qur'an, then the last written is the true version that supercedes the earlier version and this is what muslims are to follow.

Unfortunately for the unbelievers, that is generally all the nasty stuff from Medina - and that is the version the clerics and scholars of Islam preach. Mohammed's message to his followers is to migrate into new areas, seek protection, and then when you have enough supporters and power, you kill and defeat your protectors, you take their land and you install Islam as the only religion.

The most fundamental requirement of all mussos is immigration jihad. Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting.

Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers

Mohammed was illiterate, he wrote nothing. The Qur'an was compiled after his death from scraps of written material made by his followers. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #237 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:05pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an.

You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina.

In this way, Mohammed and his followers became the first immigrants. But once he had become more powerful and gained the numbers in Medina and had defeated the very people who took him in and gave him protection, he started to write all the nasty stuff in the Qur'an. Mohammed said that if there are conflicting messages in the Qur'an, then the last written is the true version that supercedes the earlier version and this is what muslims are to follow.

Unfortunately for the unbelievers, that is generally all the nasty stuff from Medina - and that is the version the clerics and scholars of Islam preach. Mohammed's message to his followers is to migrate into new areas, seek protection, and then when you have enough supporters and power, you kill and defeat your protectors, you take their land and you install Islam as the only religion.

The most fundamental requirement of all mussos is immigration jihad. Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting.

Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers

Mohammed was illiterate, he wrote nothing. The Qur'an was compiled after his death from scraps of written material made by his followers. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We know that Mohammed was illiterate as were most people in the 6th and 7th century. That is why I wrote "when the Qur'an was written" and not "when Mohammed wrote the Qur'an." Allah explains in the Qur'an that He revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad and went further explaining the purpose of the Quran.

“This is a blessed book which we have revealed to you (O Muhammad), that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded…” [Noble Quran 38:29]

Mohammed's scribes recorded what he revealed to them. Apparently he had 45 over his lifetime.

Personally it's just a load of mumbo jumbo. But try to tell that to Fatima Payman .... or anyone down at Lakemba Mosque and see if you come away in one piece.

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Reply #238 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:22pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 7:02pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

Spoken like a true Islamic Dhimmi.

Er.. I suspect my warning about fundamentalist readings of scripture won't go down well with most Imams. so not likely to be protected; not surehow Payman deals with certain passages in the Koran.

Meanwhile Netanyahu is certainly carrying out the "Word of God", as proclaimed by the prophet Samuel (in 1 Samuel 15, 1-3).

Genocide ordered by God...ICC get lost....

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Reply #240 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:41pm

Aquarius wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an.

I understand it is considered by Muslims to be the source of morality, justice and fairness, the "Word of God" as revealed by Muhammad - as all religions consider themselves to be (eg, the 'golden rule').

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You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina.

Well, today there aren't "two Korans", there is only one Koran which Payman believes is the final Word of God.

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Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting.

Reality will catch up with such delusions, it's called'enlightenment'.

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Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers .

Er - the British and later, US empires ravaged the Muslim world, hence refugees from war and poverty, like Payman.

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freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

You don't need to be literate to slaughter Jews or have sex with children.

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Reply #243 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 6:17pm

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

You don't need to be literate to slaughter Jews or have sex with children.

Agreed.

Is there some point you want to make freediver? You seem confused.

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Reply #244 - Jul 16^th, 2024 at 9:31pm

Aquarius wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:05pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:59pm:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 12:50pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:41pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:33pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 15^th, 2024 at 2:19pm:

Yadda wrote on Jul 1^st, 2024 at 9:10am:

Fatima Payman is a good moslem.

Indeed she is.

And I would add she is also unaware of the problems which arise from a fundamentalist reading of scripture - ANY scripture - and is prepared to 'live and let live', unlike the fundamentalists who feel obliged to confront "infidels".

Jews of course have had a rough time thoughout European history because fundamentalist Christian clerics have accused them of rejecting/crucifying the 'Messiah' (Christ).

And after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, fundamentalist Jews wanted their own homeland in Palestine despite the fact Israel was eradicated 2000 years ago.

After WW2, guilt-ridden Western powers (US, Canada and others) who had rejected Jews who were fleeing Germany in 1938, decided to partition Palestine in a UN vote in 1947, against the will of muslim Palestine.

Hence the current hatred of Jews among fundamentalist Muslims.

And loathing by fair-minded people including Payman (and myself) of US and Oz governments who refuse to recognize a Palestinian state as per UN res 242 and even UN res 181 before it.

So she's like a Nazi with a heart of gold?

No: she loves the 'One True God', and (unlike you with your delusional, self-interested "freedom values" ideology), she believes in morality, justice and fairness.

..as expressed in the beautiful, non-exclusive, passages in the Koran.

I don't think you understand anything about the Qur'an.

You need to take into consideration the fact that there are actually two Qur'ans - the one written in Mecca which has all the nice stuff that "moderate" muslims love to refer to. That was written when Mohammed had no power and was seeking supporters. Having gained those supporters and converts to his new religion, he found he had outstayed his welcome in Mecca because of his demands for monotheism so he sought protection from the people of Medina.

In this way, Mohammed and his followers became the first immigrants. But once he had become more powerful and gained the numbers in Medina and had defeated the very people who took him in and gave him protection, he started to write all the nasty stuff in the Qur'an. Mohammed said that if there are conflicting messages in the Qur'an, then the last written is the true version that supercedes the earlier version and this is what muslims are to follow.

Unfortunately for the unbelievers, that is generally all the nasty stuff from Medina - and that is the version the clerics and scholars of Islam preach. Mohammed's message to his followers is to migrate into new areas, seek protection, and then when you have enough supporters and power, you kill and defeat your protectors, you take their land and you install Islam as the only religion.

The most fundamental requirement of all mussos is immigration jihad. Migration is part of the doctrine of jihad. They believe they will have that final caliphate and they don't care whether it takes 50, 500 or 5000 years. They know they will finally achieve their caliphate because other religions are weak and too trusting.

Mohammed was the first immigrant ... those following are to emulate the Prophet's example. It's been happening for six decades now with muslims seeking the West's protection. Only fools would allow them to gain the numbers

Mohammed was illiterate, he wrote nothing. The Qur'an was compiled after his death from scraps of written material made by his followers. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

We know that Mohammed was illiterate as were most people in the 6th and 7th century. That is why I wrote "when the Qur'an was written" and not "when Mohammed wrote the Qur'an." Allah explains in the Qur'an that He revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad and went further explaining the purpose of the Quran.

“This is a blessed book which we have revealed to you (O Muhammad), that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded…” [Noble Quran 38:29]

Mohammed's scribes recorded what he revealed to them. Apparently he had 45 over his lifetime.

Personally it's just a load of mumbo jumbo. But try to tell that to Fatima Payman .... or anyone down at Lakemba Mosque and see if you come away in one piece.

Funny, you said, "he started to write" which implies you or the original authour believed Mohammed wrote the Qur'an personally. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #245 - Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation, which is why there are seven 'schools' or religious brands of Middle Eastern Islamic belief... seven judicial interpretations..... Seven Pillars of Wisdom...

Why does Israel have such a problem with them? God commanded Moses that 'six cities of refuge' in the Promised Land would have 'open gates' to those seeking refuge... anyone who came to the gates and asked for asylum was to be granted it... and so they took unto themselves the viper to the breast with Gazans and such being permitted access to Israel..... and all of the Christian West semi-consciously inherited the same principle ... of permitting access to genuine asylum seekers/refugees...... and lo - mightily did some take advantage of this ...

Numbers 35:9-34 for those of a religious bent, which I am not.... I came across this in reading a book about refugees saved by the thousands by moving to a remote mountain set of villages in France, many of those refugees Jewish. Apparently the local German commandant, a teacher in civilian life, turned a blind eye to all this... and the local Protestant and mostly Huguenot population accepted this fully and unconditionally, even at risk of imprisonment or death.

Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

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Reply #246 - Jul 17^th, 2024 at 8:27am

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 6:17pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 4:37pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

You don't need to be literate to slaughter Jews or have sex with children.

Agreed.

Is there some point you want to make freediver? You seem confused.

(Yes, that is a question.)

Muhammad slaughtered Jews and had sex with children. He 'revealed' the Quran to help justify this. The fact that he is illiterate is irrelevant, not the "correct narrative".

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Funny, you said, "he started to write" which implies you or the original authour believed Mohammed wrote the Qur'an personally. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Mohammed was the author of the Qur'an ... unless you actually believe that Allah actually revealed the Book to Mohammed via the Archangel Gabriel? Lol.

Mohammed was the author- ie he wrote the book by dictating it word for word which everyone had to memorise to the scribes who wrote it all down from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE.

Now about having a conversation with mussos ... exactly what sort of conversations did you actually have with all those mussos you served with, studied with and worked with?? Anything about the Qur'an, lol. Or just the usual shop talk?

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The levels of hysteria based on sheer ignorance and xenophobia represented on this forum never cease to amaze me. I encounter nothing like it in my day to day life.

Do you lt openly express your ignorant bigotry in your day to day lives? Or do you keep it all wrapped up in a little toxic ball within you?

Join clubs maybe?

Join Ozpol?

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What about the level of tapdancing Mothra?

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Spineless jew hater.

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

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Reply #250 - Jul 17^th, 2024 at 10:42am

freediver wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 10:34am:

What about the level of tapdancing Mothra?

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:45am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:41am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:39am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:32am:

freediver wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:31am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 9:24am:

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain.

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Do you think I am asking you for a definition of the word Mothra? Are you confused? Or are you tapdancing because you know you are making excuses for an anti semite and are clever enough to realise there is no good answer?

Mothra what do you think Fati meant when she said "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free"?

Can you please explain how you made the mental leap from a senator parroting historical calls for wiping out the Israeli Jews to "clearly not anti-semitic"?

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

Spineless jew hater.

What does 'free' mean to you, Fleadriver? you seem particularly triggered by it.

Explain

It's a simple question. Fleadriver.

What does 'free' mean to you? You seem particularly triggered by it.

Can you explain why?

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Funny, you said, "he started to write" which implies you or the original authour believed Mohammed wrote the Qur'an personally. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Mohammed was the author of the Qur'an ... unless you actually believe that Allah actually revealed the Book to Mohammed via the Archangel Gabriel? Lol.

Mohammed was the author- ie he wrote the book by dictating it word for word which everyone had to memorise to the scribes who wrote it all down from 610 CE to his death in 632 CE.

Now about having a conversation with mussos ... exactly what sort of conversations did you actually have with all those mussos you served with, studied with and worked with?? Anything about the Qur'an, lol. Or just the usual shop talk?

I seem to have gained a greater understanding than you ever did in your conversations. Mohammed was not the author of the Qur'an. How could he be? He was both illiterate and dead when it was published. Such a WOFTAM. Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

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Reply #261 - Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:41pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion... they had several other states created for them.... they blew pretty much all of them due to their own inability to think .... Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

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Reply #262 - Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:39pm

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So: extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine; versus myself who is not into rape and pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...

In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be part of the Palestinian state.

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not?

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In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

Those Jews weren't going to slaughter themselves, were they?

No, and the Arabs didn't slaughter them either, why would they?

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The province of Palaestina Secunda was a thriving center of Judaism through the 4th and 5th centuries, where the Jerusalem Talmud was compiled. The primary Jewish authority, the Sanhedrin, existed in Tiberias until the early 5th century, before being abolished by the Byzantine authorities.

...ie, 2 centuries before the arrival of the Muslim Arabs.

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Reply #265 - Jul 20^th, 2024 at 2:21pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 20^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

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In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

Those Jews weren't going to slaughter themselves, were they?

No, and the Arabs didn't slaughter them either, why would they?

Because Muhammad (and the Quran) told them to. And Muhammad showed them how to do it.

Why do you promote the Quran if you are so ignorant of what is in it?

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Reply #266 - Jul 21^st, 2024 at 11:46am

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 20^th, 2024 at 1:21pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:52pm:

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In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

Those Jews weren't going to slaughter themselves, were they?

No, and the Arabs didn't slaughter them either, why would they?

Because Muhammad (and the Quran) told them to. And Muhammad showed them how to do it.

Why do you promote the Quran if you are so ignorant of what is in it?

You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs because the Byzantines had abolished Judaism in the early 5th century AD (2 centuries before the Muslims arrived).

I well know what's in the Koran - and in the Jewish Bible (ie the OT); certain passages in both need to be heavily proscribed by the UNGA eg in the OT, the mythology of "The Promised Land" and "The Chosen People".

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You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs

That's not a fact. It is propaganda. You have seen what the Jews in Palestine really think of Muslim rule.

What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

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You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs

That's not a fact. It is propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(636%E2%80%93637)

Depending on the sources, in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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You have seen what the Jews in Palestine really think of Muslim rule.

You are confused as usual; Jews jumped at the UN partition plans in 1947, of course - just as they welcomed the end of Christian Byzantine rule in 637/8, as noted above.

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

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Reply #270 - Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

Even so, the Koran says (somewhat contradicting itself): "let there be no compulsion in religion", hence:

..in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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A wise caliph, seeking aquiesence among his new subjects (including Christians) in lands from which Jews had been expelled 500 years earlier by Hadrian....

And just to put your mind at rest: the CCP has NO interest in exporting "communism" to the West, though it does object to the Chinese DDP "freedom values" ideologues on Taiwan arming themselves against the mainland with US connivance.

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Oh - so it's OK with those who reject assimilation ................................. to just .... you know......

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Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi has threatened to sue The Australian for defamation and demanded an apology over a Johannes Leak cartoon that portrayed her wearing a Hamas headband and whitewashing a wall bearing the words ‘October 7’, claiming the depiction was “racist” and would cost her votes at the next election.

The Australian has told Senator Faruqi it will not accede to any of her “grossly hypocritical” demands, and that the cartoon – which it argues is clearly protected by truth and honest opinion defences – will remain online.

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

There is eternal conflict between Muslims and everyone else.

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Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi has threatened to sue The Australian for defamation and demanded an apology over a Johannes Leak cartoon that portrayed her wearing a Hamas headband and whitewashing a wall bearing the words ‘October 7’, claiming the depiction was “racist” and would cost her votes at the next election.

The Australian has told Senator Faruqi it will not accede to any of her “grossly hypocritical” demands, and that the cartoon – which it argues is clearly protected by truth and honest opinion defences – will remain online.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GS1m742a8AAPSgp?.jpg

Absolutely - and it proved deadly in France. Mussos don't muck around, they'll kill you if you say the wrong thing and mock the Prophet.

Whereas here in Sydney they just went on their usual rampage pouring into the city on masse and taking over the Pitt Street Mall in a horrifyingly violent display of musso aggression, intolerance and hatred. My younger son got his first up close and personal encounter with the rioting mussos when police herded them towards Hyde Park. Unlike his older brother who as a TAG officer was seconded to the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad and was well acquainted with the musso criminal community, he was new to policing and didn't come across mussos in his "white flight" LAC.

What shocked him most was a muslim mother who gave her toddler a sign to hold up - Behead all those who insult the Prophet! They're more careful these days what they say in public .... but down in the mosques it's an entirely different matter.

Johannes Leake is my favourite cartoonist but it looks like mussos such as Mehreen Faruqui believe they are above being satirised. They cannot take criticism in any way or form - the Australian referred to her as glass jawed. She has an agenda, just like Fatima Payman, and that is to stifle any criticism of Islam by crying racism and Islamophobia whenever anyone points out the intolerance and violent behaviour of muslims and their refusal to assimilate into the wider community.

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 5:51pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:40pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

I suppose this seems totally legitimate to you. Just like communism. Convert or die.

Of course not; but as I have patiently explained, the "jeaous god" of the Jews AND the Moslems (the same bronze-age "god" worshipped by both, who demanded exclusive fealty) is the cause of this eternal conflict between Jews and Moslems.

There is eternal conflict between Muslims and everyone else.

But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

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But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

The one sprouting the militant rhetoric about Palestine, that her supporters are afraid to have an opinion on?

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You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

Everyone, including them, supports a two state solution. The only difference is that you think the Muslim state should be magically conjured into existence with some clever paperwork, whereas realists acknowledge that the Palestinians themselves will have to create it, and take responsibility for its actions. They essentially already have it. There is a power vacuum there that, almost uniquely in history, no other nation wants to swoop in and fill. The only problem is the "functioning" state part. That would require the Palestinians to support themselves rather than begging for handouts and using any spare energy and resources they have on trying to slaughter Jews.

If they were as dedicated to liberal democracy as the Israelis are, they would have one, and be just as well off. But in their own words, the choose death over freedom and democracy.

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But not modern enlightened Moslems like Payman (to get back to the thread's topic).

The one sprouting the militant rhetoric about Palestine, that her supporters are afraid to have an opinion on?

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You ready to support a 2-state solution yet - unlike the "Promised Land" ideologues in Netanyahu's and the US administrations?

Everyone, including them, supports a two state solution.

Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

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The only difference is that you think the Muslim state should be magically conjured into existence with some clever paperwork, whereas realists acknowledge that the Palestinians themselves will have to create it, and take responsibility for its actions.

No; I think justice demands that a people who had half their land confiscated should at least have ownership of the other half guaranteed by the confiscating authority (the UN).

How difficult is that to comprehend?

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They essentially already have it.

Too 'funny'. The IDF is standing by while illegal settlers are committing acts of violence against Palestinians in their own prospective state, as identified in UN res 181 and 242.

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Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

He disagrees on where the borders should be. That is not a rejection of a two state solution.

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No; I think justice demands that a people who had half their land confiscated should at least have ownership of the other half guaranteed by the confiscating authority (the UN).
How difficult is that to comprehend?

Yes it is. What "other half"? Is this another of your "justice through magical paperwork" ideas?

BTW, I noticed you ran away from "getting back on topic" quick enough. How "enlightened" do you think Fati really is?

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Your first error in fact: Netanyahu has expressly rejected it, after the ICJ ruling last week.

He disagrees on where the borders should be. That is not a rejection of a two state solution.

Wrong again:

https://www.crikey.com.au/2024/07/22/israel-gaza-palestine-two-state-solution-im...

A two-state solution now seems impossible. How will Australia respond?
'Whatever the two-state solution was prior to these developments, it is now most certainly a mirage thanks to the Knesset. The ICJ’s move makes it all the more plain.'

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Yes it is.

Oh dear - proving blind "freedom values" ideology makes simple logic difficult to understand.

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What "other half"? Is this another of your "justice through magical paperwork" ideas?

The Palestinian state as defined by the confiscating authority, in UN res 181 and 242. Justice as defined by the UN and the ICJ.

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BTW, I noticed you ran away from "getting back on topic" quick enough. How "enlightened" do you think Fati really is?

I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs...

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Israel has repeatedly offered a Two State Solution... kind of a Middle Eastern Aborassic Park, you understand, but without a Gondwanamo Bay ....do your own thing but don't impinge on others as you do when allowed to free range ... (sounds familiar - now who is trying to boot others out of national parks and such? Hmmmm... somethng wrong about that official line there...)......... the Gazans (not Palestinians) have remained Ayeless in Gaza about that idea...

Now - all she has to do as a good Australian is say that Hamas needs to be banned...... forever. Not too hard, eh? Unless she is now too 'invested' in it all...

Here, Fatima - just say this on national teev:-

"I made a simple error when I said that Hamas was indeed a terrorist group; of course, I didn't realise that people would take everything so literally and pick the eyes out of it.... I was of the opinion that calling a group a terrorist group was sufficient.... so just to settle the whole thing down - I will say that ALL terrorist groups must be banned - and I make special mention here of Hamas needing to be banned. Thank you!" **wipes tears and wins hearts and minds**

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So what do you think she meant by what she said?

And other than some bare snippets of what she has said, how do you know what her beliefs are? Are you just parroting what you have been told to parrot? Have you ever heard her reject those parts of the Quran and Hadiths that call for people to be killed for their beliefs? Have you ever seen her reject Muhammad's killing of people for not converting to Islam?

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The levels of hysteria based on sheer ignorance and xenophobia represented on this forum never cease to amaze me. I encounter nothing like it in my day to day life.

Do you lt openly express your ignorant bigotry in your day to day lives? Or do you keep it all wrapped up in a little toxic ball within you?

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So: extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine; versus myself who is not into rape and pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...

In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be part of the Palestinian state.

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not?

Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.

The Israelis have every right to be where they are.

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You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs

That's not a fact. It is propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(636%E2%80%93637)

Depending on the sources, in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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You have seen what the Jews in Palestine really think of Muslim rule.

You are confused as usual; Jews jumped at the UN partition plans in 1947, of course - just as they welcomed the end of Christian Byzantine rule in 637/8, as noted above.

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

You do realise how stupid that statement is?

It also proves FD point about Muslims slaughtering Jews.

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Reply #288 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:52pm

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Frank wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 8:01pm:

Greens senator Mehreen Faruqi has threatened to sue The Australian for defamation and demanded an apology over a Johannes Leak cartoon that portrayed her wearing a Hamas headband and whitewashing a wall bearing the words ‘October 7’, claiming the depiction was “racist” and would cost her votes at the next election.

The Australian has told Senator Faruqi it will not accede to any of her “grossly hypocritical” demands, and that the cartoon – which it argues is clearly protected by truth and honest opinion defences – will remain online.

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Absolutely - and it proved deadly in France. Mussos don't muck around, they'll kill you if you say the wrong thing and mock the Prophet.

Whereas here in Sydney they just went on their usual rampage pouring into the city on masse and taking over the Pitt Street Mall in a horrifyingly violent display of musso aggression, intolerance and hatred. My younger son got his first up close and personal encounter with the rioting mussos when police herded them towards Hyde Park. Unlike his older brother who as a TAG officer was seconded to the Middle Eastern Organised Crime Squad and was well acquainted with the musso criminal community, he was new to policing and didn't come across mussos in his "white flight" LAC.

What shocked him most was a muslim mother who gave her toddler a sign to hold up - Behead all those who insult the Prophet! They're more careful these days what they say in public .... but down in the mosques it's an entirely different matter.

Johannes Leake is my favourite cartoonist but it looks like mussos such as Mehreen Faruqui believe they are above being satirised. They cannot take criticism in any way or form - the Australian referred to her as glass jawed. She has an agenda, just like Fatima Payman, and that is to stifle any criticism of Islam by crying racism and Islamophobia whenever anyone points out the intolerance and violent behaviour of muslims and their refusal to assimilate into the wider community.

Yeah she has a few disciples here doing the same thing. Roll Eyes

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Reply #289 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:49pm

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Israel has repeatedly offered a Two State Solution...

No it hasn't: eg, since 1967 it has refused to cede sovereignty of East Jerusalem.

And:

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/18/israels-knesset-votes-to-reject-palesti...

The Oslo Accords, which were first signed between Palestinian and Israeli leaders in 1993, called for a viable and sovereign Palestinian state living side by side with an Israeli state.

But Israel has continued to adopt policies such as building illegal settlements on Palestinian lands across the occupied West Bank and a complete blockade of Gaza.

Which all goes to show Israel should never have been recognized without simultaneous recognition of Palestine as per the Partition Plan, with securiy guaranteed by the UNSC.

(In other words, Israel should NEVER have been recognized by the UN , because the UNSC with its veto couldn't guarantee security in the two states).

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Reply #290 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:03pm

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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs

So what do you think she meant by what she said?

She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states - wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW.

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Have you ever heard her reject those parts of the Quran and Hadiths that call for people to be killed for their beliefs? Have you ever seen her reject Muhammad's killing of people for not converting to Islam?

Get back to me when Palestine is recognized and the murderous illegal settlers are gone, and the UNSC has outlawed Hamas.

I'll question her then about "Muhammad's killing people for not converting to Islam".

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Reply #291 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:09pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So: extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine; versus myself who is not into rape and pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...

In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be part of the Palestinian state.

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not?

Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.

Plus Norway, Spain and Ireland...

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The Israelis have every right to be where they are.

No they don't, Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.

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Reply #292 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:14pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:49pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 12:15pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 11:52am:

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You ignored the fact: Jews in Palestina welcomed Arabs

That's not a fact. It is propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(636%E2%80%93637)

Depending on the sources, in either 637 or in 638, Jerusalem was officially surrendered to the caliph.[24]

For the Jewish community this marked the end of nearly 500 years of Roman rule and oppression. Umar permitted the Jews to once again reside within the city of Jerusalem itself.

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You have seen what the Jews in Palestine really think of Muslim rule.

You are confused as usual; Jews jumped at the UN partition plans in 1947, of course - just as they welcomed the end of Christian Byzantine rule in 637/8, as noted above.

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What we do know for a fact is that Muhammad slaughtered Jews as soon as he had enough power to do so, and put plenty of anti Jewish propaganda in the Quran to justify it.

Only those Jews who rejected Islam....

You do realise how stupid that statement is?

It also proves FD point about Muslims slaughtering Jews.

Your low IQ again: most religions including the Jewish Bible and the Koran demand fealty to their revealed 'god'.

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Reply #293 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

Quote:

Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So: extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine; versus myself who is not into rape and pillage - where is the "fine line"?

Quote:

It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...

In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be part of the Palestinian state.

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not?

Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.

Plus Norway, Spain and Ireland...

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The Israelis have every right to be where they are.

No they don't, Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.

So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.

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Reply #296 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 5:41pm

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Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:

So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.

Jordan took over the West Bank in 1948
Egypt took Gaza in 1948

The Palestinians didn't have any problems with that

During the December 1948 Jericho Conference, hundreds of Palestinian notables in the West Bank gathered, accepted Jordanian rule and recognized Abdullah as ruler. The West Bank was formally annexed on 24 April 1950, but the annexation was widely considered as illegal and void by most of the international community, including the Arab League, which ultimately decided to treat Jordan as a temporary trustee pending future settlement.[6][7][8] Recognition of Jordan's declaration of annexation was granted only by the United Kingdom, Iraq, and possibly Pakistan.[6][9][10] The United States while avoiding public approval, also recognized this extension of Jordanian sovereignty.[11][12][13]

When Jordan transferred its full citizenship rights to the residents of the West Bank, the annexation more than tripled the population of Jordan, going from 400,000 to 1,300,000.[4][14] The naturalized Palestinians were given half of the seats of the Jordanian parliament.
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The 1949 Armistice Agreements, which ended the 1948 Arab–Israeli War by delineating the Green Line as the legal boundary between Israel and the Arab countries, left the Kingdom of Egypt in control of a small swath of territory that it had captured and occupied in the former British Mandate for Palestine: the Gaza Strip. This period saw the creation of the All-Palestine Government within the All-Palestine Protectorate, an Egyptian client state that lasted until 1959, a year after the Republic of Egypt and the Second Syrian Republic merged to form a single sovereign state known as the United Arab Republic. The Egyptian occupation of the Gaza Strip was briefly subsumed by Israel during the 1956 Suez Crisis and ended entirely during the 1967 Arab–Israeli War, after which the territory became occupied by Israel with the establishment of the Israeli Military Governorate.

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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs

So what do you think she meant by what she said?

She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states - wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW.

How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?

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Strong signal: 500 patriots successfully march through Vienna for remigration

Re-, re-, remigration!" rang out from hundreds of throats in Vienna's city center yesterday. Almost 500 identitarian activists and patriots from all over Europe took part in the annual remigration demo. Attempts to block the demonstration by left-wing extremist counter-demonstrators failed miserably.
Just like last year, on July 20, almost 500 identitarians and patriots from Austria, Germany, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, Italy and so on marched through the streets of Vienna. The demonstrators' aim: to fight against population exchange and demand a policy of remigration.
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Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said. “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said. “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Prominent Hizb ut-Tahrir member Wassim Doureihi told his own audience on Friday that it was “not conspiratorial” to suggest that mainstream leaders who led counter-extremist efforts during the height of ISIS – an effort he criticised – were democracy’s biggest supporters.

At Hizb ut-Tahrir’s headquarters in the electorate of Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke, Mr Doureihi slammed politicians as “criminals in suits” and called Muslim senator Fatima Payman the “white man’s Orientalist fantasy”.

“(The senator’s) experience has shown us that engaging in the political process is not an option for (the community),” he said, claiming Muslims would be at an “inevitable loss” if they took part.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is recognised as a terrorist organisation in Britain and Germany, although the Albanese government has resisted calls to do the same in Australia.

It comes amid – and stands in contrast to – The Muslim Vote, a community campaign spearheaded by respected Sheik Wesam Charkawi to oust Labor ministers across southwest Sydney and elect pro-Palestine independent candidates.

Senator Payman is not associated with any group or political alliance, including The Muslim Vote, and has previously said she would be an independent voice for Western Australia as a crossbencher after abandoning Labor over Palestine.

The Australian revealed how the Muslim Vote campaign had struggled to cement candidates it would endorse in target seats, but last week it ran two volunteer workshops, telling supporters that after a year of preparation it was “ready to launch”.

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“Every four years they come to us with a new magic trick to convince you to take part in the shirk of democracy,” Mr Ousayd said. “Sharia (law) is the greatest … there is no need for it to be changed or compromised.”

On Friday, Mr Ousayd – who has boasted of his friendship with men who fought for ISIS – said democracy “opposed Allah”. “If (a Muslim) enters parliament and is sworn in … they become apostates,” he said. “Prime ministers are false gods … (we should) not join and not vote.”

Hizb ut-Tahrir have re-emerged into the public sphere after the October 7 attacks in Israel, notably as part of pro-Palestine university camps.

Mr Doureihi’s rejection of democracy aligns with Hizb ut-Tahrir’s, which released a statement claiming Muslim participation in recent British and upcoming American elections would give those systems false legitimacy.

But it stands in contrast to other Hizb ut-Tahrir supporters, including its regular speaker Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun, who called October 7 a day of “victory” and has expressed his support for The Muslim Vote.

Group activist Mohammad Alwahwah told a Lakemba crowd last month that great mass movements never came at the ballot box. “(Large) movements were never gained by voting … (but) through mass movement of people on the ground,” he said.
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Reply #300 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 10:38am

freediver wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:14pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:03pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:08pm:

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I'm pretty certain she doesn't want to kill anyone for their beliefs

So what do you think she meant by what she said?

She, like me - and 3/4 of the UN member states - wants recognition of Palestine NOW, and the illegal settler "Promised Land" ideologues bulldozed out of the WB NOW.

How do you actually know what she wants? Because the CCP told you? Who is feeding you these lines to parrot?

And why do you keep avoiding the question?

She resigned from the ALP BECAUSE the ALP hasn't recognized Palestine; do try to keep up.

And btw I answer ALL your inane questions, as you well know.

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Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 9:33am:

Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said. “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Radical preachers and extremist organisation Hizb ut-Tahrir have attacked Australia’s democracy and The Muslim Vote campaign, calling it a “shirk” and an insult to Allah, at sermons in southwest Sydney, the geographical heart of a community-led Muslim political movement.

Abu Ousayd, also known as Wissam Haddad, and Hizb ut-Tahrir’s Australian branch took to pulpits in Sydney’s Canterbury-Bankstown area on Friday to call Muslims in parliament “apostates” and order their followers to boycott elections.

They also criticised the Muslim Vote’s leadership for its historical deradicalisation efforts and current political participation, with Mr Ousayd signalling he wanted an alternative route to power where Muslims could make sharia the dominant form of law in Australia.

“The system is always going to fail if it is not Allah’s,” Mr Ousayd said. “We want to get to a position where Muslims have power (so that) we can implement more of the (way) in sharia.”

Prominent Hizb ut-Tahrir member Wassim Doureihi told his own audience on Friday that it was “not conspiratorial” to suggest that mainstream leaders who led counter-extremist efforts during the height of ISIS – an effort he criticised – were democracy’s biggest supporters.

At Hizb ut-Tahrir’s headquarters in the electorate of Workplace Relations Minister Tony Burke, Mr Doureihi slammed politicians as “criminals in suits” and called Muslim senator Fatima Payman the “white man’s Orientalist fantasy”.

“(The senator’s) experience has shown us that engaging in the political process is not an option for (the community),” he said, claiming Muslims would be at an “inevitable loss” if they took part.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is recognised as a terrorist organisation in Britain and Germany, although the Albanese government has resisted calls to do the same in Australia.

It comes amid – and stands in contrast to – The Muslim Vote, a community campaign spearheaded by respected Sheik Wesam Charkawi to oust Labor ministers across southwest Sydney and elect pro-Palestine independent candidates.

Senator Payman is not associated with any group or political alliance, including The Muslim Vote, and has previously said she would be an independent voice for Western Australia as a crossbencher after abandoning Labor over Palestine.

The Australian revealed how the Muslim Vote campaign had struggled to cement candidates it would endorse in target seats, but last week it ran two volunteer workshops, telling supporters that after a year of preparation it was “ready to launch”.

...
“Every four years they come to us with a new magic trick to convince you to take part in the shirk of democracy,” Mr Ousayd said. “Sharia (law) is the greatest … there is no need for it to be changed or compromised.”

On Friday, Mr Ousayd – who has boasted of his friendship with men who fought for ISIS – said democracy “opposed Allah”. “If (a Muslim) enters parliament and is sworn in … they become apostates,” he said. “Prime ministers are false gods … (we should) not join and not vote.”

Hizb ut-Tahrir have re-emerged into the public sphere after the October 7 attacks in Israel, notably as part of pro-Palestine university camps.

Mr Doureihi’s rejection of democracy aligns with Hizb ut-Tahrir’s, which released a statement claiming Muslim participation in recent British and upcoming American elections would give those systems false legitimacy.

But it stands in contrast to other Hizb ut-Tahrir supporters, including its regular speaker Sheik Ibrahim Dadoun, who called October 7 a day of “victory” and has expressed his support for The Muslim Vote.

Group activist Mohammad Alwahwah told a Lakemba crowd last month that great mass movements never came at the ballot box. “(Large) movements were never gained by voting … (but) through mass movement of people on the ground,” he said.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/false-gods-preaching-against-ou...

Yes, this is the fundamentalist arm of Islam, of which Payman is not a part, since she IS a democratic politician - despised by the likes of Mr. Ousayd quoted above.

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Reply #302 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:06am

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 1:46pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 4:39pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:41pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 3:20pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:55am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:48pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 16^th, 2024 at 2:27pm:

Rape and pillage is not a "fundamentalist" interpretation of Islam. It is the mainstream interpretation of Islam, because that is what Muhammad did. He used the religion to justify warmongering and sexual slavery.

See Aquarius' post #237, for the correct narrative re 'violence against infidels'.

Yeah - but it's like Muslim native title ... it's all open to interpretation,

The point is Payman is not into "rape and pillage" - as blindly asserted by FD (who says Muslims rape and pillage Jews as a matter of course, nothing to do with a fundamentalist reading of the Koran).

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Why does Israel have such a problem with them?

Because the UN stuffed-up its recognition of Israel, without recognizing Palestine at the same time, as per the UN's own resolution 181, in 1947.

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Would that such integrity were still the norm in this day and age..... look at what we've got to offer ..... Jesus wept....

Note that the US and Canada refused entry for a ship carrying Jewish refugees from Germany, in 1938.

Now the US is oppressing Palestinians by refusing to recognize Palestine, and end the illegal Israeli occupation of the WB.

As for your 'native title' obsession, I explained the error which blind, unreasoning attachment to individual cultures leads to - which you brushed aside as 'political rhetoric', thereby confirming your mental incompetence.

If the UN voted to partition Muslim land to create a Jewish state, justice demands it should also have created the other state (in the Partition) for Muslims.

So supporting those who are into rape and pillage is not being into rape and pillage yourself..... a fine line...

Oh.. graps - I will persist with exposing your errors despite your mental incomptence:

So: extremists (fundamentalists) who rape and pillage, believing they are defending the One True God by driving Jews out of Muslim Palestine; versus myself who is not into rape and pillage - where is the "fine line"?

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It wasn't Muslim land other than by invasion...

In the 7th century, when the locals suffering under oppressive Byzantine sovereignty welcomed the Muslims Arabs.

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Independent Gaza is just the worst example of what they've done to themselves...

After the stuffed-up UN recognition of Israel in 1947; Gaza should have been/was intended to be part of the Palestinian state.

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If Payman doesn't like it - there's the door.... she's had her chance and by the same behaviour, has blown it for herself and all the others now.

Payman and 150 member nations of the UN recognize Palestine; Oz and the US don't.

Why not?

Yeah ... & how many of them are undemocratic Muslim States?

The UN is stacked with them. Anti Israel & Jews.

Plus Norway, Spain and Ireland...

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The Israelis have every right to be where they are.

No they don't, Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.

So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.

Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later, as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.

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Reply #303 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:15am

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

No they don't, Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.

So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.

Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later, as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.

So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan. So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.

Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.

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Reply #304 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:44am

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:15am:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:06am:

Frank wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:20pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:09pm:

No they don't, Israel only has a "Right" to exist alongside a Palestinian state, as per the UN Partition Plan.

So why didn't the Palestinians declare a state in 1948, like the Jews did, as per the UN partition plan??

Do explain.

Because the Palestinians - and the Arab world - objected to the confiscation of Muslim land to create Israel.

As explained by fundamentalist Bin Laden many decades later, as one of his chief disputes with the West.

Of course the Jews claimed sovereignty of half of Palestine, but the UN should never have recognized the Jewish claim, UNTIL the UN was also in a position to proclaim Palestinian sovereignty as per UN 181.

So Israel has the right to exist as per UN partition plan - except the Arabs don't actually have to accept the UN ppartition plan because the UN has no right to HAVE a partitiin plan.

See how your blind ideology and contempt for internatinal law cripples your powers of reasoning.

Israel would never have been created EXCEPT for the vote on the UN partition plan which included the Palestinian state.

Therefore, if Israel was to be recognized by the UN, then Palestine should have been recognized at the same time - but war between Israel and the Arab states intervened, because of a gross failure of international law under the UN system.

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So Israel has no right to exist, as per your UN partition plan, because the UN partition plan doesn't apply to the arabs who do not accept the legitimacy of the UN partition plan. So international law and the UN be damned by Allah.

Your error: the UN partition plan DOES apply to the Arabs - that's what international law is. The problem lies in the fact the UN can't defend international law

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Your 'logic' here is as stupid as twisted as we have come to expect from you, parrot. You are simultameous FOR and AGAINST the UN partition plan, as long as Israel's existence can be made illegit. That's the main objective. The UN is bindng for the Jews, illegitimate for the Arabs.

Explained and refuted above.

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Reply #305 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:51pm

Release the Germans!!

When the UN makes an arbitrary decision contrary to the facts, their decision is flawed and if considered 'law' thus creates a wrongful law. They have no right of enforcement anyway - they could always send the peelers.

Better still the legislators could always go to Gaza and explain it to the front line combatants.

Getchu head outchu ass, boy............ go - tell it to the Israelis who lost family ....

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Reply #306 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:44am: