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Reply #75 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
While Allan Lichtman has not made a final call on the 2024 election, (he'll do that in late August), he has tentatively predicted a Harris win by 8-5 or 9-4.
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Reply #76 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 9:15am
 
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Reply #77 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 9:18am
 
If Harris wins at all it will be due to the "Gen-Z" vote who cannot tolerate orange F A T T Y.
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Reply #78 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 9:59am
 
Marla wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 9:18am:
If Harris wins at all it will be due to the "Gen-Z" vote who cannot tolerate orange F A T T Y. 


Understandable.

Hard to tolerate rapists who steal money from kids' cancer charities.

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Reply #79 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 11:58am
 
We'll go through them one by one, shall we?

The 13 keys, as set out by Lichtman in a 2012 article for Social Education, are as follows:

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. Red wave failed in 22.

2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. No contest at all.

Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

3. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent. campaign Kennedy's no Ross Perot, but he's taking numbers off Trump, not Harris.
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4. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. Booming.

5. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. Read GDP grew 2.8% in the last quarter, 1.4% before that.

Major policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (I'm not sure).

No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (Social unrest is being driven by the incumbent party's challenger.)

6. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. Hillary had her emails hacked and was investigated by the FBI. Karmala faces no such problems.

No foreign or military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (Afghanistan withdrawal).

Major foreign or military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (Hardly).

Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (Trump is the very definition of charismatic - a former TV celebrity who just missed a bullet).

That's 6 keys. Without any scandals before November, that's enough to win.
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Reply #80 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:12pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 11:58am:
We'll go through them one by one, shall we?

The 13 keys, as set out by Lichtman in a 2012 article for Social Education, are as follows:

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. Red wave failed in 22.

2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. No contest at all.

Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

3. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent. campaign Kennedy's no Ross Perot, but he's taking numbers off Trump, not Harris.
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4. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. Booming.

5. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. Read GDP grew 2.8% in the last quarter, 1.4% before that.

Major policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (I'm not sure).

No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (Social unrest is being driven by the incumbent party's challenger.)

6. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. Hillary had her emails hacked and was investigated by the FBI. Karmala faces no such problems.

No foreign or military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (Afghanistan withdrawal).

Major foreign or military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (Hardly).

Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (Trump is the very definition of charismatic - a former TV celebrity who just missed a bullet).

That's 6 keys. Without any scandals before November, that's enough to win.

The party in power needs 8 or more keys to hold the Whitehouse.

A loss of 6 or more keys will ensure the incumbent party will lose the election - 8-5 is the lowest bar to hold the Whitehouse.

Key 1 - Loss. The incumbent party must win more seats in the mid-terms than the previous mid-term.

Key 3 - Loss - Biden, the incumbent, is not seeking re-election.

Key 10 - Loss - Afghanistan and withdrawal was a failure.

Key 11 - likely loss - Ceasefire in Gaza has not been achieved.

Key 12 - Loss - Candidate needs to be highly charismatic (e.g. FDR. JFK, Ronald Reagan)
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Reply #81 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:27pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 11:58am:
We'll go through them one by one, shall we?

The 13 keys, as set out by Lichtman in a 2012 article for Social Education, are as follows:

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. Red wave failed in 22.

2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. No contest at all.

Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

3. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent. campaign Kennedy's no Ross Perot, but he's taking numbers off Trump, not Harris.
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4. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. Booming.

5. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. Read GDP grew 2.8% in the last quarter, 1.4% before that.

Major policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (I'm not sure).

No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (Social unrest is being driven by the incumbent party's challenger.)

6. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. Hillary had her emails hacked and was investigated by the FBI. Karmala faces no such problems.

No foreign or military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (Afghanistan withdrawal).

Major foreign or military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (Hardly).

Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (Trump is the very definition of charismatic - a former TV celebrity who just missed a bullet).

That's 6 keys. Without any scandals before November, that's enough to win.



4 and 5 are disputable. Inflation is a big issue.

None of the 13 point cover the UN pp recedented flood of illegal immigrants, a very significant issue.

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Reply #82 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:30pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 11:58am:
We'll go through them one by one, shall we?

The 13 keys, as set out by Lichtman in a 2012 article for Social Education, are as follows:

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. Red wave failed in 22.

2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. No contest at all.

Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

3. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent. campaign Kennedy's no Ross Perot, but he's taking numbers off Trump, not Harris.
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4. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. Booming.

5. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. Read GDP grew 2.8% in the last quarter, 1.4% before that.

Major policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (I'm not sure).

No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (Social unrest is being driven by the incumbent party's challenger.)

6. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. Hillary had her emails hacked and was investigated by the FBI. Karmala faces no such problems.

No foreign or military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (Afghanistan withdrawal).

Major foreign or military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (Hardly).

Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (Trump is the very definition of charismatic - a former TV celebrity who just missed a bullet).

That's 6 keys. Without any scandals before November, that's enough to win.



4 and 5 are disputable. Inflation is a big issue. Housing affordability, ditto.

None of the 13 point cover the unprecedented flood of illegal immigrants, a very significant issue.


To a significant degree, the US is NO LONGER the country it was 40 years ago when Tichman devised his method.
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Reply #83 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:33pm
 
To be clear, Lichtman's 13 keys method has predicted every election since 1984 and has been successfully retro-tested on every election before 1984 to back as far as 1860.
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Reply #84 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 1:46pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
To be clear, Lichtman's 13 keys method has predicted every election since 1984 and has been successfully retro-tested on every election before 1984 to back as far as 1860.

To be clear, the same reckoning of the 13 points applied to Biden, yet they replaced him.
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Reply #85 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 1:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
To be clear, Lichtman's 13 keys method has predicted every election since 1984 and has been successfully retro-tested on every election before 1984 to back as far as 1860.

To be clear, the same reckoning of the 13 points applied to Biden, yet they replaced him.



NOT an election you dumbarse Roll Eyes
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Reply #86 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 1:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
To be clear, Lichtman's 13 keys method has predicted every election since 1984 and has been successfully retro-tested on every election before 1984 to back as far as 1860.

To be clear, the same reckoning of the 13 points applied to Biden, yet they replaced him.


WTF are you talking about?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #87 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:36pm
 
To be clear, Biden is the incumbent president who is not seeking reelection, which Lichtman goes to lengths to point out is the point of key 4.

Harris has not succeeded him nor has Biden been ousted, nor has he resigned (which, incidentally, Lichtman recommended he do, which would have automatically led to Harris being sworn in as president - thereby preserving key 4).

Currently, Biden is at the same status as Truman and Johnson before him - both incumbent presidents who did not seek a second term.
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Reply #88 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:30pm:
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 1:46pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:33pm:
To be clear, Lichtman's 13 keys method has predicted every election since 1984 and has been successfully retro-tested on every election before 1984 to back as far as 1860.

To be clear, the same reckoning of the 13 points applied to Biden, yet they replaced him.


WTF are you talking about?   Roll Eyes

11 of the 13 keys refer to the fate of the incumbent party holding the presidency, not the incumbent president - with keys 12 and 13 only, referring to the incumbent president (key 12) and his/her other-party rival (key 13).
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Reply #89 - Jul 27th, 2024 at 2:58pm
 
Frank wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 12:30pm:
Karnal wrote on Jul 27th, 2024 at 11:58am:
We'll go through them one by one, shall we?

The 13 keys, as set out by Lichtman in a 2012 article for Social Education, are as follows:

1. Party mandate: After the midterm elections, the incumbent party holds more seats in the U.S. House of Representatives than after the previous midterm elections. Red wave failed in 22.

2. No primary contest: There is no serious contest for the incumbent party nomination. No contest at all.

Incumbent seeking re-election: The incumbent party candidate is the sitting president.

3. No third party: There is no significant third party or independent. campaign Kennedy's no Ross Perot, but he's taking numbers off Trump, not Harris.
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4. Strong short-term economy: The economy is not in recession during the election campaign. Booming.

5. Strong long-term economy: Real per capita economic growth during the term equals or exceeds mean growth during the previous two terms. Read GDP grew 2.8% in the last quarter, 1.4% before that.

Major policy change: The incumbent administration effects major changes in national policy. (I'm not sure).

No social unrest: There is no sustained social unrest during the term. (Social unrest is being driven by the incumbent party's challenger.)

6. No scandal: The incumbent administration is untainted by major scandal. Hillary had her emails hacked and was investigated by the FBI. Karmala faces no such problems.

No foreign or military failure: The incumbent administration suffers no major failure in foreign or military affairs. (Afghanistan withdrawal).

Major foreign or military success: The incumbent administration achieves a major success in foreign or military affairs.

Charismatic incumbent: The incumbent party candidate is charismatic or a national hero. (Hardly).

Uncharismatic challenger: The challenging party candidate is not charismatic or a national hero. (Trump is the very definition of charismatic - a former TV celebrity who just missed a bullet).

That's 6 keys. Without any scandals before November, that's enough to win.



4 and 5 are disputable. Inflation is a big issue. Housing affordability, ditto.

None of the 13 point cover the unprecedented flood of illegal immigrants, a very significant issue.


To a significant degree, the US is NO LONGER the country it was 40 years ago when Tichman devised his method.


A 0.6% drop in goods prices in the last two months, old boy. That's deflation.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-inflation-rises-moderately-june-2024-07-26...

Wall Street's currently booming on the odds that the Fed will cut interest rates. Our own Reserve Bank's taking notice. The US economy could not be in any better shape for an election.

The US currently has one of the best-performing economies in the OECD, and that's on the Dems. Sleepy Joe's Jobs/Infrastructure and Chips Acts got things moving.

The border is one issue, so thanks for the reminder. It's your DL's last remaining hope - a single-issue election on immigration. Your DL's selling it as a foreign/military failure - an invasion, trying to steal a key.

But I'm curious. When has a US presidential candidate ever won an election on one issue?

Carter Watergate? Reagan Iran hostage crisis? Clinton economy stupid?

Noooo. All of those campaigns were won for a host of different reasons, but do you know?

DL has no solution. Karmala just has to point that out. The Biden administration's been working on a 2500 a week limit. Anybody else - back to where they came from.

DL's promising a massive border force with a network of concentration camps. No worries, how's he going to fund it? Sleepy Joe went to Congress with a request to fund more patrols and judges. Noooo, Mike said, back to where you came from.

DL says he'll just use the po-lice. Talk to Arizona and Texas. Ask them to give him hundreds of cops to chase the illegals. Easy-peasy.

Oh, and ignore the other half of the border with California and New Mexico - they're run by the leftards. Greg can bus his illegals over to them. 

If I was Karmala, I'd be pointing all this out. Bust his ditzy bubble. You're right. The US is most certainly not the country it was 40 years ago. It's currently dealing with the damage your DL's done in nine short years.

How does it feeeel?
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