Australian Politics Forum - What is Australian culture?

Frank

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 44008
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #45 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:44am

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Not to mention that we have world music festivals, most notably the wonderful WOMAD from my own home town.

An food and art exposes ...film and television ... fashion and influence.

And politics and academia for the grown ups.

Who the hell is actually complaining? And more tellingly, why?

WOMAD itself a very strong expression of the uniquely open, Anglo- European cultural outlook:

WOMAD was founded in 1980 by English rock musician Peter Gabriel, with Thomas Brooman, Bob Hooton, Mark Kidel, Stephen Pritchard, Martin Elbourne and Jonathan Arthur. Original designers were Steve Byrne and Valerie Hawthorn.

Back to top

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

IP Logged

mothra

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 35146
Gender: female

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #46 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:47am

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:44am:

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:13am:

Not to mention that we have world music festivals, most notably the wonderful WOMAD from my own home town.

An food and art exposes ...film and television ... fashion and influence.

And politics and academia for the grown ups.

Who the hell is actually complaining? And more tellingly, why?

WOMAD itself a very strong expression of the uniquely open, Anglo- European cultural outlook:

WOMAD was founded in 1980 by English rock musician Peter Gabriel, with Thomas Brooman, Bob Hooton, Mark Kidel, Stephen Pritchard, Martin Elbourne and Jonathan Arthur. Original designers were Steve Byrne and Valerie Hawthorn.

You have no idea what WOMAD is, do you fruitbat?

Back to top

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

IP Logged

tallowood Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5389	Re: What is Australian culture? Reply #47 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:06pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:19am: A feature of Australian culture is that it is highly receptive to absorbing celebratory events into its milieu and will readily adopt them regardless of their ethnic, religious or cultural origins. Like Dustyesky?
Back to top	« Last Edit: Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:17pm by tallowood » Reality is a figment of imagination IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11373
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #48 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:14pm

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:39am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:00am:

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:54am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:22am:

Australians are adopting Indian, Chinese, Muslim etc tastes in art, literature, cinema, business, sport or in their values, sensibilities, politics, outlook, language etc.

The Chinese Zodiac now most prolifically expressed in Australian bullion and coinage from both its official mints - nearly 36 years of celebration

The Chinese dragon - regularly appearing each year on Australian bullion.

The Chinese Lunar New Year - celebrated throughout Australia.

Indian Divali - the Hindu festival of light - each year becoming more popular throughout Australia. Holi - the Indian Festival of Colour - will likely soon follow.

Muslim Ramadan.

Celebrated by the Chinese, Indians and Muslims. Only. Not Australians (by definition).

The indians and the Chinese are not celebrating Ramadan, nor do anyone else but Muslims.

you don't see Muslims or Chinese at Divali for some reason. Roll Eyes

Missed the bus, probably, oor there was no parking or something...

Australian Chinese zodiac bullion and coinage - wildly popular in Australia and worldwide - purchased by all ethnicities in Australia and worldwide - usually selling out within days of release - same for the Chinese dragon bullion and coinage.

Divali celebrations - attended by all ethnicities in Australia.

Chinese Lunar New Year celebrations - attended across Australia by all ethnicities.

Yes, people go to the zoo, too.

Still, Australians do not think, see the world, adopt the values of Ramada, diwali, Chinese New year.

Australia resolutely and firmly remains an essentially Anglo culture with American influences (itself a largely British-European derived culture) with some significant but minor European influences.

Yes we do... go to the zoo... And we celebrate Chinese and Indian cultural/religious events where, 40 years ago, we did not.

Having said that, there's no doubt Australian culture will always be predicated on Anglo-American culture and, most importantly, on Anglo-American political/governance traditions - there is no Asian or African political tradition that will ever eclipse that.

Back to top

IP Logged

Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16198 In your happy place Gender:	Re: What is Australian culture? Reply #49 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:15pm Its narrowing down to: Football; Meat pies; Kangaroos; Pubs; Mateship; Deforestation; and Desertification.
Back to top	Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me. IP Logged

SadKangaroo

Gold Member

Offline

#FightStupid

Posts: 16531
Mianjin (Brisbane)

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #50 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:18pm

The problem with those like Frank, they demand immigrants shed their culture and assimilate by replacing it with Australian culture, but we can't really define what that is, and the moment Australians do things to adopt elements of other cultures we get thinly veiled versions of the great replacement fears.

So it's difficult to have a genuine conversation about this.

Back to top

IP Logged

mothra

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 35146
Gender: female

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #51 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:26pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

The problem with those like Frank, they demand immigrants shed their culture and assimilate by replacing it with Australian culture, but we can't really define what that is, and the moment Australians do things to adopt elements of other cultures we get thinly veiled versions of the great replacement fears.

So it's difficult to have a genuine conversation about this.

It's worse than that. Frank equates expression of culture from non-European stock as like a trip to the zoo.

Frank is having a really bad time acclimatising to modern day Australia. He's offended at every turn.

Back to top

If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11373
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #52 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:28pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

The problem with those like Frank, they demand immigrants shed their culture and assimilate by replacing it with Australian culture, but we can't really define what that is, and the moment Australians do things to adopt elements of other cultures we get thinly veiled versions of the great replacement fears.

So it's difficult to have a genuine conversation about this.

All cultures demand that immigrants assimilate by shedding their former cultures and adopting local ones.

Do you think the Chinese / Indians in their homeland would not expect that of Australian immigrants? They will likely refuse to accept you as Chinese / Indian even if you tried to become that.

Try telling Europeans in Europe that, as an Australian of European descent, you're also European... They'll laugh in your face.

Compared to ancient world cultures, Australians are incredibly tolerant of immigrant cultures and will readily adopt their celebratory events without regard to conflict with earlier established religious or cultural traditions. What kind of Australian doesn't like a party?

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11373
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #53 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:14pm

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:56am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:53am:

Frank wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 10:49am:

so you can't think of any cultural influence on mainstream Australians either.

There isn't any, so relax.

Buddhism - the fastest-growing religion in Australia.

It was Islam a few years ago? No longer?

either way, obviously driven by IMPORTS, not by locals.

Of course it's driven by imports (immigrants). All non-Aboriginal cultures were/are driven by immigrants.

However, soon after, features of their imported influence readily infuse into Australian culture - particularly celebratory events and artistic/musical traditions - and occasionally (although rarely) religious traditions.

Buddhism is a good example of an imported religious tradition but it's not the Buddhism that Asian practitioners would fully comprehend. Buddhism has been Westernised and is largely an import from the US where traditional Asian Buddhism underwent a process of Westernisation.

Back to top

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 11373
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #54 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:24pm

Something of interest concerning the acceptance of immigrant assimilation in Australia is that it seems heavily dependent on whether or not they speak with an Australian accent - and the broader the accent, the more fully they are accepted.

In the same way the French accept immigrants more readily who speak French well.

Back to top

IP Logged

Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16198 In your happy place Gender:	Re: What is Australian culture? Reply #55 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:34pm The indisputable, definitive, conclusive answer. Multiculturalism . The government has ordained it. Australia has no distinctive culture.
Back to top	Please don't thank me. Effusive fawning and obeisance of disciples, mendicants, and foot-kissers embarrass me. IP Logged

Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 83295 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: What is Australian culture? Reply #56 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:40pm Nah - the multis are just sub-cultures in zoos .... like the old tradition of going out for a nosh at the Chinese.... now it's Indian, Italian, Greek, and even zoos for Muslims .... called self-created ghettoes.....
Back to top	“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” ― John Adams IP Logged

Grappler Truth Teller Feller

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 83295
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #57 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:42pm

mothra wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:26pm:

SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 12:18pm:

The problem with those like Frank, they demand immigrants shed their culture and assimilate by replacing it with Australian culture, but we can't really define what that is, and the moment Australians do things to adopt elements of other cultures we get thinly veiled versions of the great replacement fears.

So it's difficult to have a genuine conversation about this.

It's worse than that. Frank equates expression of culture from non-European stock as like a trip to the zoo.

Frank is having a really bad time acclimatising to modern day Australia. He's offended at every turn.

Ah - let's just make it personal again then.....

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Grappler Truth Teller Feller

Gold Member

Online

Australian Politics

Posts: 83295
Proud pre-1850's NO Voter
Gender: male

Re: What is Australian culture?
Reply #58 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:44pm

tallowood wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 11:12am:

Bias_2012 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:54am:

To see the Aussie culture that still exists, one must reside in rural areas for a while where there's a vast majority of traditional Aussie constituents

Now it's more a case of the homo among the gum trees..... a tranny or two and a kangaroo ...

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

MeisterEckhart Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 11373 Gender:	Re: What is Australian culture? Reply #59 - Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:49pm Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 12^th, 2024 at 1:34pm: The indisputable, definitive, conclusive answer. Multiculturalism . The government has ordained it. Australia has no distinctive culture. Australian mainstream culture is porous in a way that ancient, established cultures are not.
Back to top	IP Logged