Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 4:05pm:


I think Sad Kangaroo has a valid point, even if he could have said it better without resorting to using memes.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:08am:


Then what is his valid point?  Don't beat around the bushes.

He just doesn't understand that the voice was only the foot in the door, but the whole deal is one and the same and all written out in their equivalent of Mein Kampf.  Seems you've missed every point about the voice.

Let's see what the next set of elections tell us about the voice by stealth done by the states.  Every single online comment in other areas is totally against every such move.... and people are angry at being treated in that way.

Tell me how Australia is entering a golden age....... lay it all out for us.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:10am:


I would be honoured if you could objectively tell me what you are talking about. None of these colloquialisms, racial stereotypes, and strawman arguments. Tell me your exact position on the "Stolen Generations" topic. Or send me a link to a post of yours where you have made your position clear to someone like me.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:25am:


I was. But, now, I am going sober. Checking security cameras, right now.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 1:14am:


Back when I was 20 years old, I delivered pizzas. I was mugged once. But, it was just for my pizzas. They ordered a bunch of pizzas and sides. When I got to the address, it did not look right. But, that was back in the days when I had not yet got my mobile phone, yet. The phone number they gave was bogus anyway. I saw them stick their heads around the corner. So, I tried to do my delivery. When I went to ask for the money, they claimed that they did not have enough money. Obviously, the delivery was for the purpose of juveniles mugging a delivery driver, to their amusement. One of them shoved the carry bags I was carrying into my face and then grabbed the top carry bag and took off. His off-sider thought of getting the other bag to steal, but I had my "not amused" look on my face, and he knew that he was going to get his super morbidly obese face smacked in, if he tried. Geez, I thought I was fat. But, this guy was like a short Michelin Man.

Anyway, they both likely identified as Indigenous, even though both had blondish hair. The store got its carry bag back, which was quite important to the store franchisee. Nothing has come of the mugging. The police dog squad lost contact with them around an abandoned house. Maybe they learned the indigenous art of blending into the surroundings, like that aboriginal tracker in Crocodile Dundee 2.

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 12:25am:


You're dealing in opinion, I'm dealing in facts.  There is a huge difference.

FACT: The Voice was a proposal to create an indigenous advisory body to parliament, enshrined in the constitution. 

FACT: It was a recommendation of the Uluru Statement from the Heart.

FACT: The Uluru Statement was presented in May 2017 by delegates to the First Nations National Constitutional Convention.

FACT: The question that was put to the Australian people at the 2023 referendum was:

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

Australia voted no.

Now we get to what you're dealing with,

OPINION: The Voice is now the generic term for the coup attempt to install Aboriginal Supremacism.... everything evolves..... and everything is lumped under one title for convenience....

The facts don't support your opinion and how you choose to use the term "The Voice".

You can try to project your own doubling down onto me all you like, reality is there in black and white.

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Firstly, yes, the Voice was simply one part of the whole deal.  "Part of".

Cheese is part of Pizza.  But we don't call it "Cheese", we call it Pizza.

Secondly, we absolutely voted about constitutional change.

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We're already dragging this thread off topic, but the dispute was never the merits of the voice or the results of the referendum.

It was that you were pointing to things like coroners' reports into preventable Indigenous deaths in custody, plans to boost local tourism to Uluru and other entirely arbitrary, but Indigenous-linked stories as evidence of "The Voice by stealth" when they have nothing to do with the Voice.

Over time you've admitted that you're just calling everything "The Voice" for convenience's sake, but that doesn't change what it was.

It's been going on and on for months because you're trying to redefine what the voice means to suit your argument and you double down and change the goal posts each time to try to justify it.

I've been consistent from the beginning, because I'm dealing in facts.

You seem to want to paint yourself as the victim of people, private or public, doing things against the wishes of the nation since the voice referendum was voted down, so if you call everything the voice, you can claim it's being implemented by stealth, subverting democracy.

That's bullshit.  People may be trying to further other elements of the Uluru Statement, but that's not the voice.

Remember, Cheese ≠ Pizza.

You might not like being called out, in fact, it seems to utterly infuriate you, but if you don't like it, be better. 

Deal in the truth and facts, not redefine things to suit your beliefs and try to elicit sympathetic support from others.

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I encourage you to quote these lies you think I've told, perhaps in a more appropriate thread, and we can address those claims.

I've pointed out yours and your response has been to just flip the script and accuse me of lying, so let's do it.

May I suggest here?

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:40am:


I was making a point, not fighting for you. And a point that exists outside of the example of you.

My point stands.

Crappler is precious.

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19^th, 2024 at 10:51am:


Because, as has been explained to you lot more times than i've had hot breakfasts, the actual voiced of Aboriginal people are usually lost in the great beurocratic highway that exists between Canberra and the people on the land.

The Voice was all about remedying that. A direct Voice, only on issues pertaining to Indigenous people to any sitting government, regardless of partisanship.

It was really no more than that.

The murdoch started up his campaign and you all got terrified.