UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 19
th, 2024 at 1:35pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Jul 19
th, 2024 at 11:15am:
That's moot because we voted down the voice.
Again, the dispute was never on the merits of the Voice. The people have spoken on that subject. It was more about what the Voice actually was.
Grap has decided it can be whatever he wants it to be, so he can claim that whatever he's chosen to be the voice at any given moment is bad because we voted against it.
Even though, to pluck one of the examples of the things he stated was an example of "the voice by stealth", an effort to increase tourism to Uluru is not in fact what we voted on at the referendum.
It is NOT moot because the Voice to Parliament was voted down. The question I asked was how the VtP was going to help eliminate the prevalence of child abuse in indigenous communities. Could you at least answer that question, based on the hypothetical that the VtP would have won the referendum and was put into action?
The only way to solve that problem is for the community to stand up and make the change themselves.
Other things can be done by helping to raise their standard of living, education, employment etc to assist in that. Housing issues can also be addressed so there are more dwellings so the number of people under the same roof is reduced, but with an overall housing crisis, these communities won't be high on the list.
Still, anything like that won't work towards fixing it without their participation.
Additional things can be done as more immediate, short-term, but band-aid solutions with support for those who have already been victimised and support for those at risk increased.
But most of the people who keep highlighting this particular issue for reasons only known by them, they actively fight against any of these sorts of measures. The truth is, those people don't care about the actual outcomes of the people in those communities, it's all about passing judgment and nothing more for them.
As much as I hate the saying, they want their cake and to eat it too. Paint all Indigenous people as child rapists but at the same time fight any measures that would help at-risk children and women in those communities.
They need to pick a lane. The faux outrage has run its course.
It's the same for similar low socioeconomic and under-educated areas of the community and the sexual abuse that happens there. There is only so much impact outside influences can have, if the community isn't on board, the issue can only be band-aided.
The Voice alone was unlikely to solve the problem. But it was never touted as being a silver bullet. It was meant to be the start of the journey.
The Uluru Statement from the Heart advocates for 'Voice, Treaty, Truth' to redefine the relationship between Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander and non-Indigenous peoples. But it failing to pass has done more damage than doing nothing at all.
The Government have a lot to answer for in how they've handled the whole thing.
You'd be forgiven for thinking their goal was to hurt Indigenous rights and outcomes given how it's all played out.
Certain people here are doing their best to see that outcome a reality, and they love cake.
Would greater consultation from those who made up the proposed voice help? We'll never know, but more consultation, especially from those who lived through the same sort of things can only help, right?
You can't work towards solving a problem if you don't understand it.
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