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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 138278 Gender:	Re: Assassination attempt on Trump? Reply #270 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 10:48am Bobby. wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 11:59pm: Trump will declassify it when he wins: Trump pledges to declassify assassination attempt files. He's not too keen on declassifying the Epstein files though. I wonder why that might be
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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #271 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:03am

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 10:43am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 9:05am:

Forget the conspiracy theory, always bet first on the cockup theory - never presume malice over incompetence.

SO MUCH incompetence indicates malice. You can't be SO incompetent without actually WANTING to be so incompetent. SO malicious incompetence is my view.

A 20 year old can take an AR-15 to a Trump campaign event without going through security, climb up the roof to a position with a clear line of sight to the target's head - and that, even as multiple members of the public point this out, the minutes tick by. Local police climb up to talk to him, he points the gun at them. Police communicate the threat and the secret service snipers have their guns pointing at the assassin for 10-15 minutes but nothing happens until the assassin fires a few shots. Then he is taken out, from a sloped roof. The Secret Service DEI chief mutters about health and safety about sloped roof.
The experienced secret service agents are diverted to Acting Nominee Jill Biden's (168 cm tall) event nearby and Trump (188 cm) is given a couple of 5 foot 2 pom-pom girls on work experience.
And like millions of 20 years olds across the US, this one has no internet presence by the time he is publicly identified.

Yeah, right. So much money-no-object DEI methodical, purposeful incompetence.

It happened because they wanted it to happen. Openly.

Flashback to Lincoln Project cofounder Rick Wilson in 2023: "They're still going to have to go out and put a bullet in Donald Trump."

https://twitter.com/RealMacReport/status/1812291257596842327

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #272 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #273 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #274 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:16am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 10:47am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:03am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

Pecca proving to everyone he is retarded

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/glass-from-teleprompter/

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/20/trump-shooting-doctor-letter-00169963

No photo of the injury, and no medical report from the treating doctor.

Strange Undecided

What ya mean, no photo?
They are plastered all over the internet.
None so blind as those who do not want to see.

Just do a Google on the subject, I presume you know how.

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #275 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:18am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

So who was Matthew Crooks and why was he shot dead by the Secret Service if Trump cut his own ear?

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Reply #276 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:19am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

So who was Matthew Crooks and why was he shot dead by the Secret Service if Trump cut his own ear?

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Reply #277 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:19am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

So who was Matthew Crooks and why was he shot dead by the Secret Service if Trump cut his own ear?

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #278 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:21am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

You obviously know nothing about Forensic Ballistics or wounds, you shewed that with the twaddle about a Maxi pad.

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #279 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:25am

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:53am:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 18^th, 2024 at 10:35am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 10:52pm:

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 17^th, 2024 at 12:58am:

I reckon only 3 shots from the shooter and then returned fire.

Here is the witness to poor old Corey getting hit in the head ...

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/07/13/politics/video/rally-witness-trump-shooting-d...

I reckon one shot from sniper which was second last the rest from offender.
Apart from one shot which was deeper tone the rest were all the same.
Listen to it- https://x.com/thogge/status/1812271717869670471

The snipers use .300 Winchester Magnums which have around 75 Gr powder the .223 rem Ar uses around 25 Gr bigger bang from .300 win mag.

The pics i saw of offender show only one wound the back of his head was blown out. There was no blood anywhere else on his body it appears he was only hit once.

The last shot which happened a couple of seconds after it stopped could have been the offender. Sometimes animals twitch a couple of times after headshots he did have a semi auto so twitching while dead it's plausible he could have fired ar one more time if finger was near trigger.

I have seen other videos showing several bullets hitting rail on grandstand with someone in a white shirt falling in the background. Another video showed hydraulic line on forklift holding speakers being pierced spraying a cloud of hydraulic oil everywhere and fork lowering.

I have also read reports the father had 12 or 20 guns who knows which one to believe.
12 or 20 i would say he had a decent hunting rifle among them which had far better accuracy than Ar15.

I haven't seen anything that indicates the snipers fired more than 1 shot.

It will be interesting to find out when the forensic evidence comes to light eventually.

Secret Service director tells congress snipers only fired one shot in this video.
https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1815449915289424010

Looks like i was right with this which makes slow response from snipers even worse

Only one shot?

How do they explain the multiple shots heard after the initial 3 shots that were heard?

Was it from the police near to the shooter?

When is there going to be a definitive report about the number of shots that the shooter got away? Huh

There is one report that there were eight casings found.

I think I heard eight shots in total 3 then a pause so it is possible that he got away eight shots but where does the counter-sniper shot fit in?

Would it be nine shots heard?

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #280 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:25am

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:19am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

So who was Matthew Crooks and why was he shot dead by the Secret Service if Trump cut his own ear?

Crooks was the shooter who fired the bullets at the Trump rally.

He killed a MAGA cult member in the crowd - an innocent volunteer fire fighter.

The SS killed him in order to prevent more deaths.

Who said Trump cut his own ear?

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #281 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:26am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:21am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

You obviously know nothing about Forensic Ballistics or wounds, you shewed that with the twaddle about a Maxi pad.

There is no hole through his ear in the photo you posted.

Can't even make out a wound of any kind - just blood.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

These are reasonable questions.

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Reply #282 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:35am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

Seems fairly clear that skin and cartilage has been taken off by the bullet grazing Trump's ear.

He was extremely lucky to have avoided death from the shooter. That head movement was incredibly good timing.

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Re: Assassination attempt on Trump?
Reply #283 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:11pm

Captain Nemo wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:35am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:11am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 11:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:23pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 7:19pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:55pm:

If we were serious about the concept of a 5.56mm projectile "grazing" Trump's ear, he would have been waving to the crowd, asking for his right ear to be handed back. Some might compare Trump to Van Gogh. But, then again, Van Gogh did not cut his right ear.

At a velocity of about 3,000 feet/second the human and most other animal ears would not offer enough resistance for a wound different to that shewn in the photo, however had it touched bone it might have been a different story.

What photo?

This photo

Where's the hole through his ear?

Certainly nothing showing an ear "pierced with a bullet" in that photo.

That photo shows blood (I'm assuming) - it doesn't show an injury.

Where is the photo of his ear with a hole through it, and where's the treating doctor's medical report?

Seems fairly clear that skin and cartilage has been taken off by the bullet grazing Trump's ear.

https://i.imgur.com/GpEIByL.jpg

He was extremely lucky to have avoided death from the shooter. That head movement was incredibly good timing.

Looks like there might be an injury there, but it's not an ear "pierced by a bullet".

It was hit with something, by the looks, but not "pierced".

And, we don't know for sure that it was a bullet.

"Here’s a small update on the lack of any word from federal law enforcement or hospital officials on the what and how of the injury Donald Trump suffered last Saturday in western Pennsylvania when a 20-year-old gunman tried to shoot him. As I’ve noted, Pennsylvania State Police initially told reporters on the scene that Trump had been struck by shards of glass. Then Trump himself said he’d been hit with a bullet and that was the end of the matter. There’s small detail from a local news report from last Sunday that suggests it as at least plausible that the initial report was correct, that Trump was struck by some flying debris.

"A report from local TV station WPXI at 4:50 PM Sunday said this (emphasis added) …

"11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.

"The four motorcycle officers were part of Donald Trump’s escort to and from the rally in Butler.

"Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.

"Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby."

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10497 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Assassination attempt on Trump? Reply #284 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 12:22pm I reckon the claim that the injury was not from a bullet is unsustainable.
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