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Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:32pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:03pm:
morality, justice and fairness for all   

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Reply #16 - Jul 16th, 2024 at 3:09pm
 
chimera wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 2:02pm:
There is no need for the Gaza war, .


Wrong. The US funded Hamas...


Wrong, Hamas was a creation of the failure of the Camp David talks to implement UN res 242. 
Even Clinton complained the Israelis kept "changing the goal posts" , eg they would never agree to separate sovereignty of East and West Jerusalem.

Netanyahu might be digging a very big hole for himself: 3/4 of th UN has already recognised a Palestinian state.

(otoh, Net might be hoping for a Trump victory, and elimination of the Palestinian state proposal).
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Reply #17 - Jul 16th, 2024 at 3:54pm
 
...

Same with "International order".
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thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 16th, 2024 at 3:09pm:
Wrong, Hamas was a creation.

Wrong, Hamas is a front for Netanyahu from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. Iran only exists because Muhammad got international orders from NASA to kill Arabs.
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Reply #19 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:33pm
 
Good to see antiwar people in the US (as opposed to "freedom or death" neanderthals like chimera)

Global Times:

Young Americans recount moments angrily rebuking anti-China politician at a forum
'He is trying to lead us into war'


A video capturing a few passionate young Americans confronting a former senior White House official Matthew Pottinger and being forcefully removed from the venue has recently made a splash across social media platforms in China and the US. According to José Vega, the 25-year-old American who was being dragged out of the venue violently, Pottinger made inflammatory remarks accusing China of instigating a potential World War III during his speech at a forum on security issues relating to the Taiwan Straits recently held in New York. Outraged by these false allegations, José and his friends Simon Miller and Robert Castle felt compelled to speak out against Pottinger's divisive rhetoric.

In an interview with the Global Times, José recalled that he was held in a choke lock and struggled to breathe after that, while Robert was taken to a secluded area and subjected to further aggression.

Despite facing physical violence from security personnel, José and his friends remained steadfast in their commitment to stand up for what they believe in - "working with China, but not war." They were even labeled "Chinese agents" by Pottinger after the incident, a phenomenon that is becoming increasingly common for writing off any criticism of US war policy.

What prompted José and the other two to stand up and angrily rebuke Pottinger?  Involved individuals' accounts to the Global Times revealed another side of the incident - how US' "China hand" incited hatred toward China while voices calling ceasefire were silenced; and how American graduates appealing the US to adhere to the "one-China principle" was labeled a "Chinese agent."

The three young Americans also represent another perspective on the public attitude of ordinary American people toward China - they want cooperation, not hatred.

On July 1, the "Asia Society" in the US hosted a forum in New York to address the potential for conflicts in the Taiwan Straits. The organizers displayed a divisive stance by listing "China" and "Taiwan" side by side on the poster. Additionally, video clip shows that during his speech, Pottinger, as a panelist, accused the Chinese mainland of destabilizing peace in the Taiwan Straits, potentially escalating tensions to the point of sparking World War III.

"Pottinger, the neoconservative official, spreads lies and is paid to confuse the American public. He is trying to get us into wars and a nuclear confrontation, not just with China, but with Russia as well. His job is to make sure that the American public have some kind of hatred that's unfounded and irrational toward China. and I don't believe that the Chinese are our enemies," José recalled what inspired to stand up for expressing his discontent with the speech.

José said Pottinger did not respond to any points he had made, but rather calling him "paid by code pink," an US anti-war organization, and a "Columbia University student," in order to associate him with the large-scale student protests against US' funding of conflicts in Gaza that across the US campuses.

"I think it was his way of deflecting the content of what I was actually saying. I presented very valid criticisms of the US based on the fact that the US is the one that's actually been warmongering and trying to get us into World War III, not just with the Chinese mainland through [the Taiwan question], but also with Russia through Ukraine issue. The country is also sending money to Israel to instigate conflicts in the Middle East area," he told the Global Times.

Pottinger worked for Reuters and the Wall Street Journal as correspondent in China for about 10 years. He was sanctioned by Chinese government in 2021 for having "seriously violated" China's sovereignty. He has also endorsed joint US-Philippine resupply missions to China's Ren'ai Jiao (also known as Ren'ai Reef) in the South China Sea, according to the South China Morning Post. Analysts in China believe that Pottinger's typical remarks are nothing but propaganda for an "anti-China united front." 

For another protester Simon Miller, US' misconducts of fully supporting Taiwan like former US House speaker Nancy Pelosi did two years ago by flying to the island of Taiwan is akin to the actions happening with the Philippines. "The Philippines is bringing shipping and construction materials to Chinese-owned islands, which is a clear red line. If these actions continue, it could lead to a scenario of an inevitable nuclear exchange," warned Simon.

"What we're trying to do is to shed a light on the truth so that Americans can see where our policies are heading. If we don't speak up, we could face dire consequences. It's up to the American people to stand up to the government and say, 'This is unacceptable. We can't be pushed closer to World War III and nuclear war,'" Simon emphasized.



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Reply #20 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:56pm
 
So China's nhot running ships, flying planes and firing missiles and carrying on war exercises in the Taiwan Strait while continuing to demand that Taiwan surrender and become part of its governed space?

Always good to know these young students know everything...
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Reply #21 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:05pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 1:56pm:
So China's nhot running ships, flying planes and firing missiles and carrying on war exercises in the Taiwan Strait while continuing to demand that Taiwan surrender and become part of its governed space?

Always good to know these young students know everything...


China-Taiwan ('One Country', according to the UN)  is merely a reflection of the US's 'Blue state-Red state' ideological contest.  ie a purely internal affair.

Ironically, Trump wants to exercise a bit of 'authoritarianism', which has the US establishment calling him a threat to American democracy.....   
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Reply #22 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm
 
It's good to see people fighting for freedom of China's Philippines and its Taiwan colony. PLA will invade until death to prevent war and force a victory in the Empire of Xi.
China is right to own other countries for China's expansion. Join the PLA and its freedom for wars.
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Reply #23 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:14pm
 
chimera wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:
It's good to see people fighting for freedom of China's Philippines and its Taiwan colony. PLA will invade until death to prevent war and force a victory in the Empire of Xi.
China is right to own other countries for China's expansion. Join the PLA and its freedom for wars.


Plain for all to see: chimera's "freedom or death" neanderthal brain fell apart ages ago...
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Reply #24 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:24pm
 
chimera wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:
It's good to see people fighting for freedom of China's Philippines and its Taiwan colony. PLA will invade until death to prevent war and force a victory in the Empire of Xi.
China is right to own other countries for China's expansion. Join the PLA and its freedom for wars.

 

As can be seen, the order in chimera's brain came apart long ago.

At least graps can present a coherent argument - though he still hasn't replied to my exposition of his error re "people" (the aggregate of individuals) versus each self-interested individual - important  because Trump likes a bit of authoritarianism, and he is looking more like the winning candidate in November.
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Reply #25 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:27pm
 
The USA is making a big mistake fomenting conflicts and declaring multiple states enemies at one time while it's hypocrisy over its complicity in Genocide against the Palestinians is being live-streamed to 7 Billion witnesses.

The US economy is supported by hyped-up consumer confidence, bullsh*t, and bravado and these easily fall apart. The US economy grows by 2% and the US stock market rises by 20%. That is simply not credible.

The US infrastructure plan is also bullsh*t. US infrastructure is degrading faster than it is being rebuilt.

The US public easily and joyfully follows the loudest bullsh*t propagator. They want to believe the bullsh*t.
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Reply #26 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:43pm
 
China gave freedom to Beijing's Tibet on 19 October 1950 when 114 PLA soldiers and 180 Tibetan soldiers had been killed or wounded. Writing in 1962, Chinese General Zhang Guohua claimed 'over 5,700 enemy were destroyed'. They were Buddhist so this was nothing.
19 Feb 2021
'China’s military said on Friday that four of its soldiers were killed during a bloody Himalayan border clash with Indian forces last June'.Death gave them freedom and helped the Indian tyrants to enjoy bliss eternal in the snowy peace.  No animals were harmed in the life of China's death and killing.
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Reply #27 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 3:10pm
 
A rumour has definitely emerged that India's Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has organised peace with China. Beijing will surrender totally to the Republic of India because of India's superior population. Xi and Modi will exchange bunches of flowers and Xi will live peacefully with a smile in the Bahamas.  Chinese are now learning to speak Hindi, namaste Aum.
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Reply #28 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 6:37pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:27pm:
The USA is making a big mistake fomenting conflicts and declaring multiple states enemies at one time while it's hypocrisy over its complicity in Genocide against the Palestinians is being live-streamed to 7 Billion witnesses.

The US economy is supported by hyped-up consumer confidence, bullsh*t, and bravado and these easily fall apart. The US economy grows by 2% and the US stock market rises by 20%. That is simply not credible.

The US infrastructure plan is also bullsh*t. US infrastructure is degrading faster than it is being rebuilt.

The US public easily and joyfully follows the loudest bullsh*t propagator. They want to believe the bullsh*t.


And which of these conflicts is the US 'fomenting'?

List them and provide details and support for your view. Verify your support ....
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Reply #29 - Jul 17th, 2024 at 6:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:24pm:
chimera wrote on Jul 17th, 2024 at 2:09pm:
It's good to see people fighting for freedom of China's Philippines and its Taiwan colony. PLA will invade until death to prevent war and force a victory in the Empire of Xi.
China is right to own other countries for China's expansion. Join the PLA and its freedom for wars.

 

As can be seen, the order in chimera's brain came apart long ago.

At least graps can present a coherent argument - though he still hasn't replied to my exposition of his error re "people" (the aggregate of individuals) versus each self-interested individual - important  because Trump likes a bit of authoritarianism, and he is looking more like the winning candidate in November.


BULLSHIT!  I do no such thing!!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin    All I do is respond off the top of my head... pretty good, huh?  The Poet Laureate of the Counter-Revolution...

Each self-interested individual is part of the people... a portion of the whole.... if a single piece of the people falls off, then The People are the lesser.... therefore send not to know for whom the civil/legal right runs....... it runs for thee...

Free the CFMEU NOW!

... when they came for the Unionists.... you said nothing.............   Shocked
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