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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #105 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

there is the odd person who truly is passionate about serving

Most politicians are passionate about serving - until the reality of mindless adversarial debate in the chambers sets in, then it's just blind, self-interested survival...

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but trump is no more or less selfish then your average joe lunchbox who lives totally in the world of me.me.me .

Does cutting taxes on the wealthy improve the lives of low wage workers?

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they live in total scarcity
Cry

That's because the nation's money lenders force scarcity onto low-wage workers, despite the the fact we live in a world of plenty.

this is where your thinking is very wrong

you think everything is a win/lose

that there is a fixed ammount of resources and that the rich need to give some of that fixed ammount to the poor and thats a win for the poor.

a winner and a loser
the competitive frame

you need to study business (and social interactions and learn about the collaborative frame)
constructing the win win
the basis of all wealth creation.

and NO ONE is forcing poverty onto low wage earners, as you rightly point out in a world of PLENTY.

they live in a scarcity mindset and that will always result in poverty
thats their set point

people who complain they dont have enough cash spend a lot of time complaining they dont have enough cash

they could have spent that time reading books by daniel kahneman, dan kennedy, malcom gladwell.

they could even go back and read napoleon hill
edward de bono
seth godin

have YOU read any of these?

its just easier to complain isnt it.

mummy daddy
i dont have any cash
when i was a child mummy and daddy gave me cash
especially if i nagged them
are you my mummy albo
can i suck on your boobies and get some milk
i;m tired
its too hard
i think if i complain albo might give me some breast milk
if i go online and complain really loudly someone might give me a dollar
and i can gaurd it like the gollam guards the precious .

you could read those books
you could stop being a punk ass bitch
you live in a world of plenty
of total abundance

and yet you are a hungry ghost

we have a saying in business

1 the hungry never get fed

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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #106 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 5:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

, malcom gladwell.

'The Register has accused Gladwell of making arguments by weak analogy and commented Gladwell has an "aversion for fact", adding: "Gladwell has made a career out of handing simple, vacuous truths to people and dressing them up with flowery language and an impressionistic take on the scientific method." In that regard, The New Republic has called him "America's Best-Paid Fairy-Tale Writer."

Superior Australians buy 100 year old houses and rent them out in the archaic 'rack-rent' landlord narcissim to make a dollar.

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Reply #107 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 5:54pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

when i was a child mummy and daddy gave me cash

Yes, Daddy Trump put Diaper Don on the payroll when he was just 5-years-old.

Then he gave him $450 million for his 21st birthday.

Then Diaper Don blew the lot.

He made casinos ... wait for it ... he made them ... it's coming ... he made casinos ... go broke!!! Grin

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Reply #108 - Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 6:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

there is the odd person who truly is passionate about serving

Most politicians are passionate about serving - until the reality of mindless adversarial debate in the chambers sets in, then it's just blind, self-interested survival...

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but trump is no more or less selfish then your average joe lunchbox who lives totally in the world of me.me.me .

Does cutting taxes on the wealthy improve the lives of low wage workers?

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they live in total scarcity
Cry

That's because the nation's money lenders force scarcity onto low-wage workers, despite the the fact we live in a world of plenty.

this is where your thinking is very wrong
you think everything is a win/lose

Wrong of course: unlike you, I think 'win-win' is the desirable (and achievable) outcome of a well-functioning economic system.

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that there is a fixed ammount of resources and that the rich need to give some of that fixed ammount to the poor and thats a win for the poor.

Wrong again - because you are steeped in the 'scarcity' doctrine of neoclassical dogma ie "unlimited wants in the face of limited resources".

Whereas a well-functioning economic system knows there is no scarcity of essentials, hence no need for the poor to live in poverty (the poor don't aspire to - don't need - gold-plated bathroom taps).

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a winner and a loser
the competitive frame

Competition is fine, while recognizing "from each according to his ability". No need for ANYONE to live in poverty, in a world of plenty.

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you need to study business (and social interactions and learn about the collaborative frame)
constructing the win win, the basis of all wealth creation.

Government also needs to be involved in wealth creation** alongside the private sector, because the private sector is based on self-interest, meaning the most succesful will be able to claim an outsized share of the nation's resources for themselves, forcing the less competitive into poverty which results from 'government austerity' - a trick of private money-lenders.

** by muscling in on the money-creation function which is currently reserved for private money-lenders.

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and NO ONE is forcing poverty onto low wage earners, as you rightly point out in a world of PLENTY.

The world's central bankers are forcing poverty and unemployment onto low-wage earners via interest rate rises to control inflation - a dysfunctional system.

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they live in a scarcity mindset and that will always result in poverty, thats their set point

Like I said - with mainstream economists urging interest rates to stay higher for longer - guess who that hurts the most?

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people who complain they dont have enough cash spend a lot of time complaining they dont have enough cash

With rents taking half their income and prices rising, cash for essentiulas IS short.

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they could have spent that time reading books by daniel kahneman, dan kennedy, malcom gladwell.

they could even go back and read napoleon hill
edward de bono
seth godin

Frauds, the lot of them, while central bankers are trying to increase unemployment and median wages are stagnant.

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have YOU read any of these?
its just easier to complain isnt it.

It's certainly easy to blame the victims of poverty, while the economy is set to churn out the world's first $trillionaire within the next decade.

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you could read those books
you could stop being a punk ass bitch
you live in a world of plenty
of total abundance

And Bezos COULD pay his workers decent wages and working conditions, but he doesn't.

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and yet you are a hungry ghost

we have a saying in business

1 the hungry never get fed

Wrong again, I'm very comfortable, and can choose the best fresh food in the supermarket - unlike many people living in the wreckage of 'first world rust belts' who have seen their formerly high-paying manufacturing jobs disappear, in a dysfunctional global economy.

Let's see if Trump can actually increase wages and employment at the low end, while he cuts taxes on the wealthy.

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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #109 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 7:31am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 21^st, 2024 at 1:17pm:

when the very successful steve jobs was asked what he thought about his competitor microsoft
he replied

"i dont think about them, i dont talk about them, our shareholders want to see us focus on our own strategies"

a good lesson for the left

What the
FU
CK ?

These manufactured divisions help NO ONE

We now have

left

and

right

, regarding computer brands ?
Do we REALLY need a 'point of difference' with

left

and
right
viewpoints, on EVERY issue ?

The

left

say rising atmospheric temperatures, rising sea levels
- and climate change, in general - are bad omens.

The

right

say rising atmospheric temperatures, rising sea levels - and climate change, in general
- are figures made up by the 'New World Order' and 'One World Government'

The right yell and scream in the Dutton that nuclear energy is "sustainable and renewable" force of energy.
Australia's abundance of wind and solar resources make us the envy of the world.

Dutton

- and his band of imbeciles
- could really do with a consultation with
'Mister Dictionary' - on the true definitions of words like "sustainable" and "renewable"

The
left
have a latte at 3pm - followed by a the driest of chardonnay at 6.00pm

The

right

are content with a tea-bag - and a sweet sherry.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44187 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #110 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm Sensible. I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136150 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #111 - Jul 24^th, 2024 at 7:37pm What Trump "gets" His ass kicked, that's what he gets "I took on perpetrators of all kinds,” she said. “Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain.” "So hear me when I say I know Donald Trump's type," Ms Harris added.
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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #112 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 11:45am

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Sensible.
I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.

Trump had both houses for 2 years, but he still couldn't get infrastructure done**. Why not? Lower taxes on the wealthy resulting in increasing public deficit?

**The association of US engineers says at least $2 trillion needs to be spent to repair US infrastructure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/infrastructure-what-will-2-trillion-buy-and-how-wil...

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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #113 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 12:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

there is the odd person who truly is passionate about serving

Most politicians are passionate about serving - until the reality of mindless adversarial debate in the chambers sets in, then it's just blind, self-interested survival...

Quote:

but trump is no more or less selfish then your average joe lunchbox who lives totally in the world of me.me.me .

Does cutting taxes on the wealthy improve the lives of low wage workers?

Quote:

they live in total scarcity
Cry

That's because the nation's money lenders force scarcity onto low-wage workers, despite the the fact we live in a world of plenty.

this is where your thinking is very wrong

you think everything is a win/lose

that there is a fixed ammount of resources and that the rich need to give some of that fixed ammount to the poor and thats a win for the poor.

a winner and a loser
the competitive frame

Cheers, big ears. You’ve just outlined the big fella’s stance on global trade and relations. Making America great again’s not about constructing some global win-win - that’s for the Marxists, Wilsonians and post-WWII Breton-Woods reformers.

As an alternative, the big fella proposes America for Americans: a world where America stiffs the little guys as hard as possible and lets Russia and Chi-na do what they want. A world where countries compete for trade and military supremacy, inevitably resulting in war.

This is, after all, exactly what happened when the fascists and protectionists got busy in the 1930s. It’s what happened in WWI, after the mercantilists got busy in the 1890s. It happened through the Napoleonic Wars, in the colonies during the age of exploration, and on and on throughout history. Dear Leaders who want to lock free trade up, define the rules and win.

The current post WWII era is the longest period of peace the Western world has ever seen - all due to military alliances, the integration of markets and free trade. Win-win. Russia’s not too happy, of course, but Russia lost its empire, now didn’t it? Its old vassal states wanted to go with Europe, and why not? What’s Vlad going to offer Ukraine that’s any better than integration into the world’s biggest market and strongest military alliance?

It’s a total no brainer, but this is the system Vlad and your DL want to undermine, so I’m curious.

If you genuinely believed what you posted, why do you support your DL? If your values were consistent with your ever-changing arguments, you’d say ah. With the GOP in the grip of a MAGA personality cult, only the Dems can save the world from Vlad, the big fella and their claque of authoritarian despots. You have, at various times acknowledged this yourself, but alas, you always go back.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been farmed?

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Reply #114 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 1:10pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

there is the odd person who truly is passionate about serving

Most politicians are passionate about serving - until the reality of mindless adversarial debate in the chambers sets in, then it's just blind, self-interested survival...

Quote:

but trump is no more or less selfish then your average joe lunchbox who lives totally in the world of me.me.me .

Does cutting taxes on the wealthy improve the lives of low wage workers?

Quote:

they live in total scarcity
Cry

That's because the nation's money lenders force scarcity onto low-wage workers, despite the the fact we live in a world of plenty.

this is where your thinking is very wrong

you think everything is a win/lose

that there is a fixed ammount of resources and that the rich need to give some of that fixed ammount to the poor and thats a win for the poor.

a winner and a loser
the competitive frame

Cheers, big ears. You’ve just outlined the big fella’s stance on global trade and relations. Making America great again’s not about constructing some global win-win - that’s for the Marxists, Wilsonians and post-WWII Breton-Woods reformers.

As an alternative, the big fella proposes America for Americans: a world where America stiffs the little guys as hard as possible and lets Russia and Chi-na do what they want. A world where countries compete for trade and military supremacy, inevitably resulting in war.

This is, after all, exactly what happened when the fascists and protectionists got busy in the 1930s. It’s what happened in WWI, after the mercantilists got busy in the 1890s. It happened through the Napoleonic Wars, in the colonies during the age of exploration, and on and on throughout history. Dear Leaders who want to lock free trade up, define the rules and win.

The current post WWII era is the longest period of peace the Western world has ever seen - all due to military alliances, the integration of markets and free trade. Win-win. Russia’s not too happy, of course, but Russia lost its empire, now didn’t it? Its old vassal states wanted to go with Europe, and why not? What’s Vlad going to offer Ukraine that’s any better than integration into the world’s biggest market and strongest military alliance?

It’s a total no brainer, but this is the system Vlad and your DL want to undermine, so I’m curious.

If you genuinely believed what you posted, why do you support your DL? If your values were consistent with your ever-changing arguments, you’d say ah. With the GOP in the grip of a MAGA personality cult, only the Dems can save the world from Vlad, the big fella and their claque of authoritarian despots. You have, at various times acknowledged this yourself, but alas, you always go back.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been farmed?

Good post.

But it would be nice if the Dems could recover some of the vision of Franklin Roosevelt (for the UN "to save mankind from the scourge of war") and Keynes (for an 'International Clearing Union' to engender prosperous development in all nations).

NATO should have been disbanded when the USSR ceased to exist.

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Reply #115 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 2:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 1:10pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 4:52pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2024 at 3:32pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:16pm:

there is the odd person who truly is passionate about serving

Most politicians are passionate about serving - until the reality of mindless adversarial debate in the chambers sets in, then it's just blind, self-interested survival...

Quote:

but trump is no more or less selfish then your average joe lunchbox who lives totally in the world of me.me.me .

Does cutting taxes on the wealthy improve the lives of low wage workers?

Quote:

they live in total scarcity
Cry

That's because the nation's money lenders force scarcity onto low-wage workers, despite the the fact we live in a world of plenty.

this is where your thinking is very wrong

you think everything is a win/lose

that there is a fixed ammount of resources and that the rich need to give some of that fixed ammount to the poor and thats a win for the poor.

a winner and a loser
the competitive frame

Cheers, big ears. You’ve just outlined the big fella’s stance on global trade and relations. Making America great again’s not about constructing some global win-win - that’s for the Marxists, Wilsonians and post-WWII Breton-Woods reformers.

As an alternative, the big fella proposes America for Americans: a world where America stiffs the little guys as hard as possible and lets Russia and Chi-na do what they want. A world where countries compete for trade and military supremacy, inevitably resulting in war.

This is, after all, exactly what happened when the fascists and protectionists got busy in the 1930s. It’s what happened in WWI, after the mercantilists got busy in the 1890s. It happened through the Napoleonic Wars, in the colonies during the age of exploration, and on and on throughout history. Dear Leaders who want to lock free trade up, define the rules and win.

The current post WWII era is the longest period of peace the Western world has ever seen - all due to military alliances, the integration of markets and free trade. Win-win. Russia’s not too happy, of course, but Russia lost its empire, now didn’t it? Its old vassal states wanted to go with Europe, and why not? What’s Vlad going to offer Ukraine that’s any better than integration into the world’s biggest market and strongest military alliance?

It’s a total no brainer, but this is the system Vlad and your DL want to undermine, so I’m curious.

If you genuinely believed what you posted, why do you support your DL? If your values were consistent with your ever-changing arguments, you’d say ah. With the GOP in the grip of a MAGA personality cult, only the Dems can save the world from Vlad, the big fella and their claque of authoritarian despots. You have, at various times acknowledged this yourself, but alas, you always go back.

Ever get the feeling you’ve been farmed?

Good post.

But it would be nice if the Dems could recover some of the vision of Franklin Roosevelt (for the UN "to save mankind from the scourge of war") and Keynes (for an 'International Clearing Union' to engender prosperous development in all nations).

NATO should have been disbanded when the USSR ceased to exist.

It would be nice, yes. I'm guessing there'd be votes in it too.

Problem is, the Dems get their campaign funds from the same place as the Republicans and the donors aren't so keen. The big end of town don't like things like the right to housing, health care or even clean drinking water.

But why would NATO disband? Just having an alliance forces members to get along. Look at France and England - not one fight. If Vlad gets spooked, he's free to apply, you know.

Vlad's now his own thing going with BRICS. If the big fella gets in, the US will be free to join too.

How cute, no?

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Reply #116 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 2:31pm

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Sensible.
I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.

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Douglas Murray (born 16 July 1979) is a British author and conservative political commentator, cultural critic, and journalist.
He founded the Centre for Social Cohesion in 2007,
which became part of the Henry Jackson Society,
where he was associate director from 2011 to 2018.

He is currently an associate editor of the conservative British political and cultural magazine The Spectator, and has been a regular contributor to The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Sun, the Daily Mail, New York Post, National Review, The Free Press, and Unheard.

Murray is known for his criticism of immigration and
Islam.
His books include ...
Neoconservatism: Why We Need It (2005),
The Strange Death of Europe: Immigration, Identity, Islam (2017),
The Madness of Crowds: Gender, Race and Identity (2019) and
The War on the West (2022).

Murray has been praised by the far right, but strongly criticised by many on the centre left.

Articles in the academic journals Ethnic and Racial Studies and National Identities associate his views with Islamophobia and he has been linked to far-right political ideologies and the promotion of far-right ideas such as the Eurabia, Great Replacement, and Cultural Marxism conspiracy theories

A self-confessed -

almost PROUD

- voice of far-right extremism, Islamophobia - racism and white supremism, 'to boot'

COME ON,

little man

- SURELY, you're better at all of the above than this 'Hanson modelled'

HACK

?

We're expecting something greater from you.

You're putting the rest of
'Team Homo'

to

embarrassing SHAME

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Reply #117 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 6:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Sensible.
I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.

Trump had both houses for 2 years, but he still couldn't get infrastructure done**. Why not? Lower taxes on the wealthy resulting in increasing public deficit?

**The association of US engineers says at least $2 trillion needs to be spent to repair US infrastructure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/infrastructure-what-will-2-trillion-buy-and-how-wil...

Why not? Because he went for Obamacare first and spent the rest of that term tweeting about RINOs and Never-Trumpers. Why do you think the GOP lost the House?

The big fella's a wrecking ball alright. He wrecks his own policies.

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Reply #118 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 6:35pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Sensible.
I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.

Trump had both houses for 2 years, but he still couldn't get infrastructure done**. Why not? Lower taxes on the wealthy resulting in increasing public deficit?

**The association of US engineers says at least $2 trillion needs to be spent to repair US infrastructure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/infrastructure-what-will-2-trillion-buy-and-how-wil...

Why not? Because he went for Obamacare first and spent the rest of that term tweeting about RINOs and Never-Trumpers. Why do you think the GOP lost the House?

The big fella's a wrecking ball alright. He wrecks his own policies.

The RINOs in the GOP were the force of wrecking and division. They were the nobblers inside the tent and they did their damndest.

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Reply #119 - Jul 25^th, 2024 at 7:29pm

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 6:35pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 6:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 11:45am:

Frank wrote on Jul 24^th, 2024 at 6:41pm:

Sensible.
I still want Trump to prevail because the alternative is hideous.

Trump had both houses for 2 years, but he still couldn't get infrastructure done**. Why not? Lower taxes on the wealthy resulting in increasing public deficit?

**The association of US engineers says at least $2 trillion needs to be spent to repair US infrastructure.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/infrastructure-what-will-2-trillion-buy-and-how-wil...

Why not? Because he went for Obamacare first and spent the rest of that term tweeting about RINOs and Never-Trumpers. Why do you think the GOP lost the House?

The big fella's a wrecking ball alright. He wrecks his own policies.

The RINOs in the GOP were the force of wrecking and division. They were the nobblers inside the tent and they did their damndest.

Their damndest to save Obamacare because your DL, despite all his promises, couldn't replace it.

That, after all, is the very definition of a wrecking ball - one that tears things down without replacing them. How could he possibly do infrastructure? He couldn't build more than 26 miles of border fencing.

Sleepy Joe quietly got on with your DL's unfinished work. Vaccines, jobs, infrastructure. Your DL wrecked the joint, Joe built it back. He made it look easy too.

All that bipartisan legislation your DL avoided, spending an entire year of his term on vacation, when he wasn't on "executive time".

I'd suggest you get busy living, old boy, but we already know.

You're already dead.

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