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Reply #45 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:46am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:26am:

i believe trump has narcissistic behavioural disorder and is psychopathic.
he likes to be cruel to people.

i see the same tendencies in you fisk and certainly in gweggy

i see them in most of the journos of the leftie mainstream media

i certainly see them in the mobs (mainly lefties ) who try to cancel some uni professor or JK rowling for expressing her opinion

i definitely saw them in kevin rudd

i also saw them in dan andrews and the qld premier during lockdowns when people were unable to attend the funeral of a parent or the birth of a child

cruel narcissistic pychopathic.

the funny thing is i dont see them in Joe rogan or Tony abbott or John Anderson or Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or most of those on the right.

i believe there is such a thing as a noble conservative...ron de santis is one. pete dutton is another . tony abnott another , john howard another

perhaps on the left despite his faults, bernie sanders is a noble socialist. maybe even gough

what is facinating about trump is

1 his energy
2 his total refusal to ever back down
3 his ability to just not give a smack about what he says.

a true psychopath usually is very cunning
trumpy is not really cunning

what you see is what you get

its probably why people like him
because that is at least authentic

people like newsum and hilary and pelosi share all his bad features but put on the fake veil of being nice people

no one buys it

there is this sort of yuk factor about them

It's not hard to see narcissistic features in all public figures - some degree of it is almost certainly a sine qua non to survive the glare and heat of public exposure.

It's also true that narcissism itself is a feature of the charisma effect - we've all had enjoyable ego- and ID-driven dreams of dominance, superiority, triumph and possession of magical powers that propel us to god-heights and destroy perceived enemies.

We've all also felt deep resentment of the narcissist and their sense of entitlement, incapacity for empathy and emotional regulation.

In short, we have an instinctive love-hate relationship with narcissists.

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Reply #46 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:26am:

i believe trump has narcissistic behavioural disorder and is psychopathic.
he likes to be cruel to people.

i see the same tendencies in you fisk and certainly in gweggy

i see them in most of the journos of the leftie mainstream media

i certainly see them in the mobs (mainly lefties ) who try to cancel some uni professor or JK rowling for expressing her opinion

i definitely saw them in kevin rudd

i also saw them in dan andrews and the qld premier during lockdowns when people were unable to attend the funeral of a parent or the birth of a child

cruel narcissistic pychopathic.

the funny thing is i dont see them in Joe rogan or Tony abbott or John Anderson or Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or most of those on the right.

i believe there is such a thing as a noble conservative...ron de santis is one. pete dutton is another . tony abnott another , john howard another

perhaps on the left despite his faults, bernie sanders is a noble socialist. maybe even gough

what is facinating about trump is

1 his energy
2 his total refusal to ever back down
3 his ability to just not give a smack about what he says.

a true psychopath usually is very cunning
trumpy is not really cunning

what you see is what you get

its probably why people like him
because that is at least authentic

people like newsum and hilary and pelosi share all his bad features but put on the fake veil of being nice people

no one buys it

there is this sort of yuk factor about them

It's not hard to see narcissistic features in all public figures - some degree of it is almost certainly a sine qua non to survive the glare and heat of public exposure.

It's also true that narcissism itself is a feature of the charisma effect - we've all had enjoyable ego- and ID-driven dreams of dominance, superiority, triumph and possession of magical powers that propel us to god-heights and destroy perceived enemies.

We've all also felt deep resentment of the narcissist and their sense of entitlement, incapacity for empathy and emotional regulation.

In short, we have an instinctive love-hate relationship with narcissists.

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

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Re: What Trump "gets"
Reply #47 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:39am

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

It's instinctively hard to surrender status - even harder when you've spent a lifetime acquiring it - it's why retirement can be so tough on so many.

Trump's refusal to accept his 2020 loss is textbook narcissistic denial in its most pathetic expression. His narcissistic rage compelled him to incite a riot to reverse what his disorder could not allow - loss of (self-entitled) status.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11373 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #48 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:22am Near-death experiences have profound libidinal effects. For the narcissist with their incapacity for emotional regulation, those effects drive them to ridiculous extremes of invincibility ideation.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44008 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #49 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 10:26am MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:22am: Near-death experiences have profound libidinal effects. For the narcissist with their incapacity for emotional regulation, those effects drive them to ridiculous extremes of invincibility ideation.
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Reply #50 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 11:13am

Frank wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 7:22am:

Near-death experiences have profound libidinal effects.

For the narcissist with their incapacity for emotional regulation, those effects drive them to ridiculous extremes of invincibility ideation.

Trump claims: "I took a bullet for democracy".

He is confused: what actually happened is he took a bullet owing to democratic dysfunction

Sorry to rock your blind "freedom values" boat, but it's the truth.

https://www.rawstory.com/chaos-trump-should-have-taken-bullet/?utm_source=msn

Chaos at Trump event as crowd member yells that ex-president 'should have taken a bullet'

.......

Turns out there's major dissension in the Libertarian camp.

Ah - the "soaring vision" (Meister) of "all men are created equal".....

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Reply #51 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

It's instinctively hard to surrender status - even harder when you've spent a lifetime acquiring it - it's why retirement can be so tough on so many.

Trump's refusal to accept his 2020 loss is textbook narcissistic denial in its most pathetic expression. His narcissistic rage compelled him to incite a riot to reverse what his disorder could not allow - loss of (self-entitled) status.

its not neccessary to surrender status
you need to transcend status

i dont know much about the shooter but i would guess this

the guy want getting much pussy
the guy wasnt getting much cash

the first thing we need to be comfortable with is that a young guy should get pussy and cash
trump is certainly comfortable with that .

but once you get those things and realise you are still the same schmuck, what next?

here you have to make the decision

do i want comfort or do i want growth?
do i want safety or do i want challenge ?

trump has had a lot of challenge and a lot of opportunity for growth

if he is still drawing his self esteem off cash and pussy, then he has not grown

if he is drawing his self esteem off being one of those rare individuals who can connect to flow, let the energy flow through him (get into a flow state) (please read talibs book)
if he has become anti-fragile ( another book by talib which discusses the fact of "whatver does not kill us , makes us stronger")
if trump is living in that paradigm, then he has transcended his narcissism

i dont think he is there yet but he is at least in a position to get there

if you want an example of someone who did transcend the status game, maybe queen elizabeth is a good example,

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11373 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #52 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:34pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 11:13am: Trump claims: "I took a bullet for democracy". He'll be convinced now he's an uber-Messiah - invincible... Better than Jesus now, 'cos... y'know, he likes messiahs who don't get killed.
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Reply #53 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:48pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

It's instinctively hard to surrender status - even harder when you've spent a lifetime acquiring it - it's why retirement can be so tough on so many.

Trump's refusal to accept his 2020 loss is textbook narcissistic denial in its most pathetic expression. His narcissistic rage compelled him to incite a riot to reverse what his disorder could not allow - loss of (self-entitled) status.

its not neccessary to surrender status
you need to transcend status

if you want an example of someone who did transcend the status game, maybe queen elizabeth is a good example,

Status-seeking is ubiquitous and almost impossible to transcend except by those who are exceptionally selfless.

Elizabeth II did not transcend the status game... A better example would be Bhutan's Jigme Singye Wangchuck who surrendered absolutist monarchical power, insisted the Bhutanese accept democracy - despite their reluctance - and abdicated.

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Reply #54 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

It's instinctively hard to surrender status - even harder when you've spent a lifetime acquiring it - it's why retirement can be so tough on so many.

Trump's refusal to accept his 2020 loss is textbook narcissistic denial in its most pathetic expression. His narcissistic rage compelled him to incite a riot to reverse what his disorder could not allow - loss of (self-entitled) status.

its not neccessary to surrender status
you need to transcend status

if you want an example of someone who did transcend the status game, maybe queen elizabeth is a good example,

Status-seeking is ubiquitous and almost impossible to transcend except by those who are exceptionally selfless.

Elizabeth II did not transcend the status game... A better example would be Bhutan's Jigme Singye Wangchuck who surrendered absolutist monarchical power, insisted the Bhutanese accept democracy - despite their reluctance - and abdicated.

Where do you get off, talking so much bollocks at every opportunity??? He retired and passed the crown to his son.

In December 2005, King Jigme Singye Wangchuck announced his intention to abdicate in his son's favour in 2008, and that he would begin handing over responsibility to him immediately.[14] On 9 December 2006, the former king issued a Royal Edict announcing his abdication, and transferred the throne to Jigme Khesar Namgyel Wangchuck,[15] who was officially crowned on 6 November 2008

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 135733 Gender:	Re: What Trump "gets" Reply #55 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:28pm aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm: the first thing we need to be comfortable with is that a young guy should get pussy and cash trump is certainly comfortable with that . Thanks to theft and rape.
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Reply #56 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:29pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 5:26am:

i believe trump has narcissistic behavioural disorder and is psychopathic.
he likes to be cruel to people.

i see the same tendencies in you fisk and certainly in gweggy

i see them in most of the journos of the leftie mainstream media

i certainly see them in the mobs (mainly lefties ) who try to cancel some uni professor or JK rowling for expressing her opinion

i definitely saw them in kevin rudd

i also saw them in dan andrews and the qld premier during lockdowns when people were unable to attend the funeral of a parent or the birth of a child

cruel narcissistic pychopathic.

the funny thing is i dont see them in Joe rogan or Tony abbott or John Anderson or Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro or most of those on the right.

i believe there is such a thing as a noble conservative...ron de santis is one. pete dutton is another . tony abnott another , john howard another

perhaps on the left despite his faults, bernie sanders is a noble socialist. maybe even gough

what is facinating about trump is

1 his energy
2 his total refusal to ever back down
3 his ability to just not give a smack about what he says.

a true psychopath usually is very cunning
trumpy is not really cunning

what you see is what you get

its probably why people like him
because that is at least authentic

people like newsum and hilary and pelosi share all his bad features but put on the fake veil of being nice people

no one buys it

there is this sort of yuk factor about them

It's not hard to see narcissistic features in all public figures - some degree of it is almost certainly a sine qua non to survive the glare and heat of public exposure.

It's also true that narcissism itself is a feature of the charisma effect - we've all had enjoyable ego- and ID-driven dreams of dominance, superiority, triumph and possession of magical powers that propel us to god-heights and destroy perceived enemies.

We've all also felt deep resentment of the narcissist and their sense of entitlement, incapacity for empathy and emotional regulation.

In short, we have an instinctive love-hate relationship with narcissists.

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

What about his raping?

What about his 34 criminal convictions?

What about the fact that he stole millions of dollars from kids' cancer charities?

Insignificant?

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Reply #57 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:34pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:48pm:

those who are exceptionally selfless

With extreme humility, Donald 'the genius' President 45 accepted defeat of his bandits on Jan 6. 'Such is life' quipped he under the hangman's noose. His crown passed to old Joe the Mumble and waving his petty fists, DJT went on the final campaign of his reign, fighting to the deaf ear.

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Reply #58 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:39pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:48pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 12:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:39am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 6:28am:

Joe hanging onto the nomination with a death grip, Jill Biden shrieking, you did good Joe you answ all the questions. Kamala who must know she's less qualified for president than just about any American.....all that makes Trumps narcissism look insignificant.

It's instinctively hard to surrender status - even harder when you've spent a lifetime acquiring it - it's why retirement can be so tough on so many.

Trump's refusal to accept his 2020 loss is textbook narcissistic denial in its most pathetic expression. His narcissistic rage compelled him to incite a riot to reverse what his disorder could not allow - loss of (self-entitled) status.

its not neccessary to surrender status
you need to transcend status

if you want an example of someone who did transcend the status game, maybe queen elizabeth is a good example,

Status-seeking is ubiquitous and almost impossible to transcend except by those who are exceptionally selfless.

Elizabeth II did not transcend the status game... A better example would be Bhutan's Jigme Singye Wangchuck who surrendered absolutist monarchical power, insisted the Bhutanese accept democracy - despite their reluctance - and abdicated.

i would call that choosing comfort over challenge

like it or not, trump could have done what 99 % of business people in florida do

retire, pleasure yourself, get comfortable, get some chicks on sugardaddy .com

he didnt have to risk jail time and being shot in the head

whatever you think of the guy, he didnt do that.

the other thing is that if you do things for "external validation", you lose energy the more you "put in"
talking "tires you out"

if you are connected to source, then talking and interacting "energises you"
so trump may be connecting to an energy bigger then himself

a complex guy

i still think harris can beat him , because, most voters are stuck in the "realm of the hungry ghosts" and they dont vibe with trumps "awesome narrative and make america great vibe".

she will have to really understand social dynamics and meet the people where they are at.

a task beyond hilary and certainly beyond Joe

she is young
she could pull it off

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Reply #59 - Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:57pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2024 at 1:39pm:

they dont vibe with trumps "awesome narrative and make america great vibe".

Research has proven that 78.3% red hats leap out of bed with a plan to kneel in front of the frig with social dynamics and vibes. Donald has a MAGA frig and more plans than superior alphas, Joe and the judges.

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