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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #780 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:38pm

SadKangaroo wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 1:30pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 12:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 11:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 11:36am:

You think they aren't backing Trump?

Trump is a convicted felon, a rapist, an insurrectionist, a fraudster who stole money from kids' cancer charities, and a twice-impeached failed President.

Do they ever mention that?

Every time they introduce a story about Trump they should let the public know that he's a criminal and adjudicated rapist, yet they don't.

He is protected by the MSM.

Not here though Wink

Kamala is a war criminal who provided 14,000 MK84 2,000 pound bombs
to drop ...

How did she do that, Bobby?

Please explain the powers of the VP and which ones she used in order to do what you claim.

She stood there and watched while Joe signed the documents.
She said nothing to try and stop him.

It would be a crime to stop him. This is Congressional aid, merely administered through the executive.

Your DL controls the majority in Congress that approved the bomb budget. How do we know?

He stopped them negotiating on border legislation. A mere post on Truth Social brought them all in line, just like - oh.

You.

That is an interesting point, the House Republicans have 221 seats and Democrats have 213.

As you say, we've seen Trump control the Republican vote in there before, so that means he's just as responsible, if not more given his efforts to stop a cease-fire, than Biden.

So we've determined Harris isn't a war criminal, Bobby's first lie, and now we see the Republicans are the ones directing the aid to Israel.

Who is their leader?

Trump.

So, Bobby, is it time yet to hold Trump to account, or do you only care about dead children when you can blame it on the Dems?

When Netanyahu visited the US, his first stop was Washington DC; the White House

His second stop was Palm Beach, Florida; Mar a Lago.

Not only is Trump publicly calling on the IDF to escalate the attacks on Gaza, he's privately advising Netanyahu to hold off on a peace deal until he comes to power. Bobby knows all this. His response?

We'll have to wait and see what happens.

Bobby's done, Sad. Come November, he'll be in our every breath - poof!

Off to join his Master and keep on truckin'.

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #781 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so , attack bobby all you like but if harris wins, you can expect more american military action, not less

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #782 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

chimera wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 6:55pm:

'finish the job, get it done, and get it done fast. And they have to do it.'

dying in WW3.
You better hope he wins -
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No winners Bobby

If Trump doesn't win we're all gunna die. Cry

Trump is pro-Israel. If Israel gets continued enhanced support from the United States, there is a likelihood that WW3 will eventuate.

Israel is resembling a concentration camp, these days. Plenty of people in the area want to kill the detainees. I find Israel to be the most ironical country in the world in the last 80 years.

A solution to the Middle East conflict is to make sure that Israel just defends themselves for a while. And they can bring down the Wall as a sign of trust. It has been nearly 35 years since the Germans brought down their Berlin Wall. Germany went from strength to strength in unity.

Upon ending these hostilities, the Israelis have a choice. They can become more co-operative with the Middle East. Or they can emigrate to countries in the Northern Hemisphere. None of this migration to Australasia. We don't want the whinge bags here.

The only consequence we would see in the Middle East would be the fall in oil prices worldwide. That might peeve a few environmentalists off because people might use their cars more. But it is cheaper than having to watch news bulletin after news bulletin of Israel firing rockets into Gaza, and people complaining about petrol prices being high.

Besides, GW Bush has retired and probably won't need billions of dollars more in oil revenue...

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #783 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:50pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 1:52pm:

"How did she do that, Bobby?

Please explain the powers of the VP and which ones she used in order to do what you claim.

She stood there and watched while Joe signed the documents.
She said nothing to try and stop him. "

"Oh, look here, Joe... we have a chance to offload some of those stored bombs - getting to their use by date anyway... I'll get the papers!."

No, dear, that's Ukraine. Israel gets the best of the best - top-shelf, bespoke military systems designed just for Israel, such as Iron Dome.

And it's not Karmala, it's bi-partisan US policy. Karmala has never had a say in it, and most likely never will - even as prez.

Presidents run the US military. Congress and the Senate run the budget. They can listen to presidents, but they're not obliged to. The current US Congress is taking orders from an ex-prez, even though it doesn't have to.

Can you guess who?

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #784 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:30pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so , attack bobby all you like but if harris wins, you can expect more american military action, not less

Sorry? Bobby hasn't said. He said he dunno, then ran off when he was asked questions.

Putin occupied eastern Ukraine while Mr Trump was in the White House. Mr Trump met with Putin a number of times, saying or doing nothing to get him out of Ukraine. All of his public statements made supported Putin's occupation.

If your DL is elected prez, he'll have to contend with Ukraine and Gaza. His former National Security Advisor says the last person you'd want in the White House dealing with these wars is Mr Trump. He's bungling, ignorant, inept and a liar, not to be trusted.

That's not us, dear, it's his own senior advisor on security and foreign relations. We're not talking about some vague vibe, his popularity or control of the political narrative. We're talking about actual global security.

We're not talking about the president's gender, their imagined interest in foreign wars or expected military actions, we're talking about the facts, what they've already said, what we already know.

Your DL has advised Netanyahu to avoid a peace deal with Hamas until he comes to power. He's publicly advised Netanyahu to escalate the war and do as much damage as possible to bring Hamas to its knees.

That's not the advice of a peace-maker, dear, it's the advice of a political wrecking ball who wants to see more Gazan deaths to make the Biden administration look bad. You support this strategy yourself. It's your very own Stalingrad Solution, remember?

Bobby's the guy crying tears for Gaza's kids. He said he wants the bombings to stop. He disagrees with your DL.

So I'm not sure why you think Bobby's going to prove correct. Your stances on military tactics could not be further apart.

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #785 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:39pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so ,

attack bobby all you like but if harris wins,

you can expect more american military action, not less

Dear Aqua,
thanks for your support.
I am at times a lone voice of conscience on this forum.

namaste

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #786 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:46pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 7:22pm:

chimera wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 7:06pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 25^th, 2024 at 6:55pm:

'finish the job, get it done, and get it done fast. And they have to do it.'

dying in WW3.
You better hope he wins -
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No winners Bobby

If Trump doesn't win we're all gunna die. Cry

Trump is pro-Israel. If Israel gets continued enhanced support from the United States, there is a likelihood that WW3 will eventuate.

Israel is resembling a concentration camp, these days. Plenty of people in the area want to kill the detainees. I find Israel to be the most ironical country in the world in the last 80 years.

A solution to the Middle East conflict is to make sure that Israel just defends themselves for a while. And they can bring down the Wall as a sign of trust. It has been nearly 35 years since the Germans brought down their Berlin Wall. Germany went from strength to strength in unity.

Upon ending these hostilities, the Israelis have a choice. They can become more co-operative with the Middle East. Or they can emigrate to countries in the Northern Hemisphere. None of this migration to Australasia. We don't want the whinge bags here.

The only consequence we would see in the Middle East would be the fall in oil prices worldwide. That might peeve a few environmentalists off because people might use their cars more. But it is cheaper than having to watch news bulletin after news bulletin of Israel firing rockets into Gaza, and people complaining about petrol prices being high.

Besides, GW Bush has retired and probably won't need billions of dollars more in oil revenue...

The US is currently a net exporter of oil, Rocky. That means it exports more oil than it imports. It still imports oil because it's cheaper to transport oil from overseas to some US cities because of logistics.

The US has a free market, so US oil prices are based on what suppliers charge. The US doesn't subsidize retail gasoline, unlike Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, so the government has no say over what prices will be at the bowser.

That means presidents. A potential Trump administration would not DRILL anymore than the current Biden administration. Currently, more oil is being drilled in America and sold under Biden than was under Trump, but this is due to markets, not presidential actions.

I agree with your take on Israel, but it's impact on oil prices is largely symbolic, based on the impact of regional insecurity on the Gulf's sovereign risk.

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Reply #787 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:54pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so , attack bobby all you like but if harris wins, you can expect more american military action, not less

Sorry? Bobby hasn't said. He said he dunno, then ran off when he was asked questions.

Putin occupied eastern Ukraine while Mr Trump was in the White House. Mr Trump met with Putin a number of times, saying or doing nothing to get him out of Ukraine. All of his public statements made supported Putin's occupation.

If your DL is elected prez, he'll have to contend with Ukraine and Gaza. His former National Security Advisor says the last person you'd want in the White House dealing with these wars is Mr Trump. He's bungling, ignorant, inept and a liar, not to be trusted.

That's not us, dear, it's his own senior advisor on security and foreign relations. We're not talking about some vague vibe, his popularity or control of the political narrative. We're talking about actual global security.

We're not talking about the president's gender, their imagined interest in foreign wars or expected military actions, we're talking about the facts, what they've already said, what we already know.

Your DL has advised Netanyahu to avoid a peace deal with Hamas until he comes to power. He's publicly advised Netanyahu to escalate the war and do as much damage as possible to bring Hamas to its knees.

That's not the advice of a peace-maker, dear, it's the advice of a political wrecking ball who wants to see more Gazan deaths to make the Biden administration look bad. You support this strategy yourself. It's your very own Stalingrad Solution, remember?

Bobby's the guy crying tears for Gaza's kids. He said he wants the bombings to stop. He disagrees with your DL.

So I'm not sure why you think Bobby's going to prove correct. Your stances on military tactics could not be further apart.

tulsi gabbard served in the military and was deputy chair of the democratic national congress.

and she says harris is a total hawk

i would tend to think she knows a bit more then you.

trump has said 'america first and stop spending money on silly foreign wars'

hardly a signal of increased war mongering

harris as a party politician is beholden to her donors , of which the military industrial complex is key

trump as a guy who takes orders from no one and basicly is out of control , therefore "cant be controlled"

so your propaganda is duly noted but lacks any nuance

how surprising

at least it not as boring as reading about "rape and stealing from childrens charities' for 140,000 posts Grin

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Re: Kamala Harris
Reply #788 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so ,

attack bobby all you like but if harris wins,

you can expect more american military action, not less

Dear Aqua,
thanks for your support.
I am at times a lone voice of conscience on this forum.

namaste

I see. So you're back to answering questions, are you?

Thanks, Bobby. Here's your DL's National Security Advisor:

“Trump is unfit to be president,” Bolton writes. And though he may not think Trump can foster a dictatorship, Bolton has warned: “If his first four years were bad, a second four will be worse.” Further:

Quote:

In his interview with Le Figaro, Bolton said it was “very likely” that Trump would act on his threat to pull the US out of the Nato military alliance if he were re-elected. In recent months, Trump has repeated his threat not to protect countries who he believes do not pay enough to maintain the security alliance, and he claimed that European members of the alliance “laugh at the stupidity” of the US.

“Trump, when he has an idea, comes back to it again and again, then gets distracted, forgets, but eventually comes back to it and acts on it,” Bolton warned. “That’s why leaving Nato is a real possibility. A lot of people think it’s just a negotiating tool, but I don’t think so.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/30/john-bolton-donald-trump-dictato...

In all good conscience, can you explain where Bolton's wrong?

That's our first question. We reserve the right to supplementaries.

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Reply #790 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:02pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so , attack bobby all you like but if harris wins, you can expect more american military action, not less

Sorry? Bobby hasn't said. He said he dunno, then ran off when he was asked questions.

Putin occupied eastern Ukraine while Mr Trump was in the White House. Mr Trump met with Putin a number of times, saying or doing nothing to get him out of Ukraine. All of his public statements made supported Putin's occupation.

If your DL is elected prez, he'll have to contend with Ukraine and Gaza. His former National Security Advisor says the last person you'd want in the White House dealing with these wars is Mr Trump. He's bungling, ignorant, inept and a liar, not to be trusted.

That's not us, dear, it's his own senior advisor on security and foreign relations. We're not talking about some vague vibe, his popularity or control of the political narrative. We're talking about actual global security.

We're not talking about the president's gender, their imagined interest in foreign wars or expected military actions, we're talking about the facts, what they've already said, what we already know.

Your DL has advised Netanyahu to avoid a peace deal with Hamas until he comes to power. He's publicly advised Netanyahu to escalate the war and do as much damage as possible to bring Hamas to its knees.

That's not the advice of a peace-maker, dear, it's the advice of a political wrecking ball who wants to see more Gazan deaths to make the Biden administration look bad. You support this strategy yourself. It's your very own Stalingrad Solution, remember?

Bobby's the guy crying tears for Gaza's kids. He said he wants the bombings to stop. He disagrees with your DL.

So I'm not sure why you think Bobby's going to prove correct. Your stances on military tactics could not be further apart.

tulsi gabbard served in the military and was deputy chair of the democratic national congress.

and she says harris is a total hawk

i would tend to think she knows a bit more then you.

trump has said 'america first and stop spending money on silly foreign wars'

hardly a signal of increased war mongering

harris as a party politician is beholden to her donors , of which the military industrial complex is key

trump as a guy who takes orders from no one and basicly is out of control , therefore "cant be controlled"

so your propaganda is duly noted but lacks any nuance

how surprising

at least it not as boring as reading about "rape and stealing from childrens charities' for 140,000 posts Grin

Thanks, Aquascoot. Tulsi Gabbard's experience in the Hawaii National Guard has no bearing on your argument here. Can you quote her in full and provide some nuance here, please?

We promise to respond - in good conscience.

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Reply #791 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:03pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

why should american taxpayers pay for german and austrian military security when those countries have much higher standards of living Roll Eyes

The US lower standard of living is by design deliberate. They want it that way for some strange reason. A higher standard of living is seen as socialist.

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Reply #792 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:05pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:57pm:

I see. So you're back to answering questions, are you?

Thanks, Bobby. Here's your DL's National Security Advisor:

“Trump is unfit to be president,” Bolton writes. And though he may not think Trump can foster a dictatorship, Bolton has warned: “If his first four years were bad, a second four will be worse.” Further:

Quote:

In his interview with Le Figaro, Bolton said it was “very likely” that Trump would act on his threat to pull the US out of the Nato military alliance if he were re-elected. In recent months, Trump has repeated his threat not to protect countries who he believes do not pay enough to maintain the security alliance, and he claimed that European members of the alliance “laugh at the stupidity” of the US.

“Trump, when he has an idea, comes back to it again and again, then gets distracted, forgets, but eventually comes back to it and acts on it,” Bolton warned. “That’s why leaving Nato is a real possibility. A lot of people think it’s just a negotiating tool, but I don’t think so.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/30/john-bolton-donald-trump-dictato...

In all good conscience, can you explain where Bolton's wrong?

That's our first question. We reserve the right to supplementaries.

Trump fired Bolton -
he said that if he followed Bolton's advice we'd be up to WW6 by now. Roll Eyes

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Reply #793 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:09pm

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:01pm:

why should american taxpayers pay for german and austrian military security when those countries have much higher standards of living Roll Eyes

I'm not sure why you'd think they do, dear. Germany and Austria have their own armies. Austrians are even required to do a minimum period of military service.

Why would you suggest the US is paying for their security?

I'm genuinely curious. Why would you say that?

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Reply #794 - Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:09pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 4:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:54pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 3:30pm:

aquascoot wrote on Aug 26^th, 2024 at 2:40pm:

bobby is probably going to prove correct

tulsi gabbard who served 2 tours in iraq in a medical unit, says that harris will be very pro-war .
she believes a woman as president will be desperate to prove she is "strong"

say what you want about trump but he had no interest in foreign wars

and , interestingly, neither hamas nor putin did a thing whilst he was in the white house

so , attack bobby all you like but if harris wins, you can expect more american military action, not less

Sorry? Bobby hasn't said. He said he dunno, then ran off when he was asked questions.

Putin occupied eastern Ukraine while Mr Trump was in the White House. Mr Trump met with Putin a number of times, saying or doing nothing to get him out of Ukraine. All of his public statements made supported Putin's occupation.

If your DL is elected prez, he'll have to contend with Ukraine and Gaza. His former National Security Advisor says the last person you'd want in the White House dealing with these wars is Mr Trump. He's bungling, ignorant, inept and a liar, not to be trusted.

That's not us, dear, it's his own senior advisor on security and foreign relations. We're not talking about some vague vibe, his popularity or control of the political narrative. We're talking about actual global security.

We're not talking about the president's gender, their imagined interest in foreign wars or expected military actions, we're talking about the facts, what they've already said, what we already know.

Your DL has advised Netanyahu to avoid a peace deal with Hamas until he comes to power. He's publicly advised Netanyahu to escalate the war and do as much damage as possible to bring Hamas to its knees.

That's not the advice of a peace-maker, dear, it's the advice of a political wrecking ball who wants to see more Gazan deaths to make the Biden administration look bad. You support this strategy yourself. It's your very own Stalingrad Solution, remember?

Bobby's the guy crying tears for Gaza's kids. He said he wants the bombings to stop. He disagrees with your DL.

So I'm not sure why you think Bobby's going to prove correct. Your stances on military tactics could not be further apart.

tulsi gabbard served in the military and was deputy chair of the democratic national congress.

and she says harris is a total hawk

i would tend to think she knows a bit more then you.

trump has said 'america first and stop spending money on silly foreign wars'

hardly a signal of increased war mongering

harris as a party politician is beholden to her donors , of which the military industrial complex is key

trump as a guy who takes orders from no one and basicly is out of control , therefore "cant be controlled"

so your propaganda is duly noted but lacks any nuance

how surprising

at least it not as boring as reading about "rape and stealing from childrens charities' for 140,000 posts Grin

Thanks, Aquascoot. Tulsi Gabbard's experience in the Hawaii National Guard has no bearing on your argument here. Can you quote her in full and provide some nuance here, please?

We promise to respond - in good conscience.

not a problem

first, your lie about gabbard not seeing active service

Gabbard was deployed for a 12-month tour in Iraq, serving as a specialist with the Medical Company, 29th Support Battalion, 29th Infantry Brigade Combat Team.

secondly, here is what she said about harris (and remember gabbard was deputy chair of the DNC quite recently til she was found to have "an opinion of her own"

In her video, Gabbard accused Harris of being the "maidservant of Hillary Clinton, queen of the cabal of warmongers," and warned that the deep state would continue its efforts to "engulf the world in war and take away our liberty" under Harris's leadership. She added, "I'm going to sound the same warning now that I have been for years, going all the way back to 2020, when both Kamala and I were running for president on the Democratic ticket. She is unfit and unqualified to be our president and commander-in-chief and would be incredibly dangerous in that position."

Gabbard expressed deep concern over Harris's potential decision-making regarding military matters, saying, "The prospect of Kamala Harris making decisions about war and peace... is not only terrifying to us, it should be terrifying to every American."

She further alleged that Harris would be controlled by the same elitist cabal that influenced Biden's presidency, leading the country "to the brink of war with multiple countries and closer to nuclear war and Armageddon."

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