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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #45 - Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:15pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:11pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:00pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 11:55am:

not having a very good day are we ?

Within the transgender community, rates of anxiety are much, much higher. In fact, some studies show that nearly everyone who is transgender is living with anxiety.

Over 90% of transgender Minnesotans feel anxious at least one day per week and nearly half feel nervous, anxious or on edge 5-7 days per week, based on the Rainbow Health survey.
Up to 79% of trans kids experience anxiety, based on the results of the Trevor Project’s national survey of LGBTQ youth.

Based on surveys, most people who are transgender feel depressed at least once a week.

About 85% of Minnesotans who are transgender feel depressed weekly, and 36% feel down at least five days per week, according to the Rainbow Health survey.
Up to 69% of trans youth experience symptoms of depression, according to the Trevor Project survey.
In comparison, about 5-6% of the general population experiences regular feelings of depression.

Horseboy, try to concentrate. Somatic pain from depression results form an excess of cortisol. Do you understand how that works? It is a completely different pain set to that caused by androgen blockers and hormone replacement.

Were you a thinking man, you'd appreciate that is precisely because of prevailing attitudes like yours and those represented in this thread that so many trans folk suffer anxiety and depression and instead of falling over yourselves to label them and utterly dismiss them as hysterical, you'd try to further your understanding before shooting from the hip.

But we can't really expect that of you, now can we.

ah

no

i have scientific articles stating that trans people have much higher rates of depression and anxiety

and that depressed and anxious people have much higher rates of pain.

did you fail basic logic?

please re read your posts denying the above well documented facts.

Jesus you're a simpleton. Firstly, correlation is not causation. Secondly, somatic pain is only one example of pain. In clinging to it like a drowning monkey, you're utterly disregarding the entire spectrum.

But in any case, what's your point? That we should dismiss their pain because you think it's self-inflicted? Not real?

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #47 - Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:21pm

mothra wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 8:21am:

This is literally all there is to it:

"Kate Sear is a Professor at the Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at La Trobe University and Deputy Chair of the Victorian Pain Inquiry.

She says an intersectional approach is very important to represent women from all backgrounds.

“We know that there are also often differences for women who might be Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, women from LBTQIA+ populations, trans women etc. And essentially one of the things we need to look at through this pain inquiry is not just the experiences of women but look ta them through this intersectional lens. So to look at how experiences might be different from people of different ages, racial and ethnic backgrounds, sexualities and so on. And then try and generate a set of recommendations for how we might address all of those women's needs.”

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/hysterical-the-shocking-findings-fro...

Trans 'women' are not women. They are men. Trans 'men' are not men, they are women.

Men should not be included in women's sports, dressing rooms, targeted research.

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #48 - Jul 27^th, 2024 at 1:10pm

"differences for women who might be Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, women from LBTQIA+ populations, trans women"

Group A - more bruises

Group B - more DV bruises (why would claiming lesbianism mean you experience more pain?) Grin

Group C - Different in that they cannot feel women's pains

No problem - any time............... I'm guessing these 'certainties' come from anecdotal surveys.... not Science at all .....

LIST these 'differences' ..... oh I feel more pain since I had my tits cut off and they sliced my female bits off and replaced them with a bit of whatever that has no nerve endings ... Far Kme .... I feel more pain since my dick and balls hit the sterile stainless steel tray and they cut a permanent unhealing hole in me and inserted a piece of bowel that keeps rotting ... Far Kme .... I'm Aboriginal and pain comes with the territory .... Far Kme ....

Bullshit...

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #49 - Jul 27^th, 2024 at 1:11pm

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

LOL! Sky "news".

In any event, all we see here is Crappler's pathological inability to empathise with anyone not just like him.

Trans 'women' CANNOT have period pain or birth pain, frightbat. They can't have periods, they cannot give birth. Do you know why?

Make a wild guess, don't just LOL moronically.

You know there are other kinds of pain, right?

No?

No surprises.

Specific to women??

Pay attention, ignorant, triggered frightbat. Watch the clip, it's ony a few minutes on WOMEN'S PAIN. Two women talking. Are you able to listen to what they have to say?

Good on Women’s Forum Australia CEO Rachael Wong calling the Victorian government’s plan to include trans women in an inquiry into women’s pain, "offensive and absolutely idiotic." As she says, women’s and men’s health conditions are completely different because of the way we’re "biologically wired." Or maybe the research is going to include women’s testicular pain for example?

As she says, "it’s an absolute slap in the face to women."

I agree. As a nurse, you are well aware of women's genito-urinary pain issues which are complex and difficult to treat. It's this sort of ongoing often chronic pain due to gender differences that makes women more resilient. And live longer.

If these biologically male trans "women" want their pain issues seen as on a par with biological women's pain, then maybe they need to toughen up.

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #50 - Jul 28^th, 2024 at 5:02am

Aquarius wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

LOL! Sky "news".

In any event, all we see here is Crappler's pathological inability to empathise with anyone not just like him.

Trans 'women' CANNOT have period pain or birth pain, frightbat. They can't have periods, they cannot give birth. Do you know why?

Make a wild guess, don't just LOL moronically.

You know there are other kinds of pain, right?

No?

No surprises.

Specific to women??

Pay attention, ignorant, triggered frightbat. Watch the clip, it's ony a few minutes on WOMEN'S PAIN. Two women talking. Are you able to listen to what they have to say?

Good on Women’s Forum Australia CEO Rachael Wong calling the Victorian government’s plan to include trans women in an inquiry into women’s pain, "offensive and absolutely idiotic." As she says, women’s and men’s health conditions are completely different because of the way we’re "biologically wired." Or maybe the research is going to include women’s testicular pain for example?

As she says, "it’s an absolute slap in the face to women."

I agree. As a nurse, you are well aware of women's genito-urinary pain issues which are complex and difficult to treat. It's this sort of ongoing often chronic pain due to gender differences that makes women more resilient. And live longer.

If these biologically male trans "women" want their pain issues seen as on a par with biological women's pain, then maybe they need to toughen up.

Nurse Ratched?

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #51 - Jul 28^th, 2024 at 7:06am

mothra wrote on Jul 28^th, 2024 at 5:02am:

Aquarius wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 1:11pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:44am:

Frank wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 10:38am:

mothra wrote on Jul 25^th, 2024 at 9:52am:

LOL! Sky "news".

In any event, all we see here is Crappler's pathological inability to empathise with anyone not just like him.

Trans 'women' CANNOT have period pain or birth pain, frightbat. They can't have periods, they cannot give birth. Do you know why?

Make a wild guess, don't just LOL moronically.

You know there are other kinds of pain, right?

No?

No surprises.

Specific to women??

Pay attention, ignorant, triggered frightbat. Watch the clip, it's ony a few minutes on WOMEN'S PAIN. Two women talking. Are you able to listen to what they have to say?

Good on Women’s Forum Australia CEO Rachael Wong calling the Victorian government’s plan to include trans women in an inquiry into women’s pain, "offensive and absolutely idiotic." As she says, women’s and men’s health conditions are completely different because of the way we’re "biologically wired." Or maybe the research is going to include women’s testicular pain for example?

As she says, "it’s an absolute slap in the face to women."

I agree. As a nurse, you are well aware of women's genito-urinary pain issues which are complex and difficult to treat. It's this sort of ongoing often chronic pain due to gender differences that makes women more resilient. And live longer.

If these biologically male trans "women" want their pain issues seen as on a par with biological women's pain, then maybe they need to toughen up.

Nurse Ratched?

Mothra attacking women, again.

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #52 - Jul 28^th, 2024 at 1:49pm

mothra wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 8:08am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 7:17am:

Agnes.. wrote on Jul 26^th, 2024 at 9:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 26^th, 2024 at 4:36pm:

Mothra thinks men should be treated for endometriosis pain if it helps their feelings. Grin

mothra might well be right so stop laughing at her.. until you know better!!! Cool

Not a chance .... never heard such ridiculous BS that men pretending they're women experience the same biological womens pain.

That's not what's being put forward though. you lot only think that because you get your information from the hysterical, reactionary, propaganda that is Sky "news".

Al that is being said is that trans women experience pain specific to being trans women ... and they do. nobody is claiming it's endometriosis. That's just Gordy lying ... again.

This is more what is being talked about:

"Several studies have suggested that trans women experience more pain than cis men and cis women, a phenomenon that appears to be exacerbated by anti-androgen therapy and an estrogen GAHT (54, 56, 138–140)."

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/pain-research/articles/10.3389/fpain.2024.1...

Yes .... it's called Mens pain .. you silly twat.

And if they want that discussed then discuss in in a forum relative to Trans women....... not biological women.

And if taking all those drugs to try & turn into a woman is having detrimental affects on their bodies....... then they should stop taking them.

What they do is voluntary ... they don't take them as a life saving medication or to treat a medical condition.

They have no place being included in a Womens pain discussion forum.

Why won't you support the rights of biological women?

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #53 - Jul 28^th, 2024 at 1:57pm

mothra wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 8:21am:

This is literally all there is to it:

"Kate Sear is a Professor at the Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health and Society at La Trobe University and Deputy Chair of the Victorian Pain Inquiry.

She says an intersectional approach is very important to represent(biological) women from all backgrounds.

“We know that there are also often differences for women who might be Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, women from LBTQIA+ populations, trans women etc. And essentially one of the things we need to look at through this pain inquiry is not just the experiences of women but look ta them through this intersectional lens. So to look at how experiences might be different from people of different ages, racial and ethnic backgrounds, sexualities and so on. And then try and generate a set of recommendations for how we might address all of those women's needs.”

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/podcast-episode/hysterical-the-shocking-findings-fro...

Meanwhile, look at you lot goooooooo.

Meanwhile what a load of PC diversity driven bullshyte.

Lesbian/queer and ATSI women are still biological women...

they have the reproductive organs of a biological woman ...... not a man.

Men who want to be/believe they are women are not "women".

Is there nothing left for women that doesn't include men that you would support?

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Re: Trans 'women's' pain
Reply #54 - Jul 28^th, 2024 at 2:00pm

mothra wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 12:01pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 27^th, 2024 at 11:53am:

I have no idea why crappler is so obsessed with trans people and what they do.

Is it a fetish of his perhaps?

He just pathologically whinges about anyone getting and "rights".

You see, he's the eternal victim.

Trans women have no right per se to be included in issues regarding biological women.

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